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[Addai]

Morroian wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
People need to stop using what he says in Sovngarde as a proof of anything.  The souls there are caught in a mist with Alduin eating them up, and all of them are in despair.  Legate Rikke was, as well.

No offence but we're going on whats said directly ingame, you're putting your own interpretation on that.

If it's a valid argument against the Stormcloaks, then Legate Rikke's despair in Sovngarde cancels it out so it's moot anyway.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You have no proof of that, especially since they have lost so much ground to the Dominion alread

The only reason Ulfric is even able to pull off the Rebelion is that Tullius only has one Legion while the rest are on the border with Dominion, prepared for war.

So no, The Empire is far from dying, it's just that for them the civil war is a sideshow.

And before you give the nords credit for winning that battle, perhaps the Redguards and Orcs would like a word with you.

It's been thirty years since the Concordat, give or take, and they're working closely with the Thalmor in Skyrim.  Just when are they going to start this war?

It's easy to see why veterans like Ulfric and Galmar would begin to doubt that they are ever going to do anything.

Oh, and re Red Ring- the city had fallen and it was only when the Skyrim legions showed up that the tide of the battle turned.  See The Great War.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Addai]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
You have no proof of that, especially since they have lost so much ground to the Dominion already.

The empire is dying anyway.  It was inevitable, and Mede's ineptitude hastened its end.  After reading Michael Kirkbride's comments on the Dominion's goals and Talos' power in the universe, I'm convinced that nothing could weaken humanity's cause more than the empire conspiring with the Thalmor- even writing their propaganda for them- to weaken his prestige and diminish his memory.

Still with the White-Gold Concordat?

Uh, yeah.  Still with that.  As I said, the comments of the guy who developed a good bit of the TES lore were pretty revealing to me.

I know why the empire said they did it- I think it is a disastrous mistake.

[Dreadstruck]

Addai67 wrote...
Uh, yeah.  Still with that.  As I said, the comments of the guy who developed a good bit of the TES lore were pretty revealing to me.

I know why the empire said they did it- I think it is a disastrous mistake.

Well, you've already made up your mind.
I am still sticking with the Imperials, for the sake of Tamriel. Down with the Thalmor scum!

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 12 décembre 2011 - 01:40 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Some NPCs are great. I like the orc in the college: "It looks like you are still in one piece. More importantly, so is the book."

[Mr.House]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Uh, yeah.  Still with that.  As I said, the comments of the guy who developed a good bit of the TES lore were pretty revealing to me.

I know why the empire said they did it- I think it is a disastrous mistake.

Well, you've already made up your mind.
I am still sticking with the Imperials, for the sake of Tamriel. Down with the Thalmor scum!

Enjoy being a puppet

[Mr.House]

The Voice is sacred to Nords, so they don't look down upon it, don't know where certain people are getting that from, or maybe they forgot the whole back story of Talos.

[Yrkoon]

greengoron89 wrote...

Why does that one guy keep saying the Voice is magic? I don't recall ever hearing anything about a thu'um being "magic" by any character in game, and I certainly don't recall meeting many Nords who looked down on thu'ums, other than those who were already pro-Empire and would've sided against Ulfric regardless of what means he'd used to defeat Toryyg.

Nonetheless, it doesn't make any difference - Ulfric won the duel and demonstrated his power and authority, and that counts for something among many of the more traditional Nords, thu'um or not.

Just a note.  Ask  the court mage in Whitrun about  Shouts.  he will most definitely  tell you they're a form of  magic.

[Mr.House]

Yrkoon wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Why does that one guy keep saying the Voice is magic? I don't recall ever hearing anything about a thu'um being "magic" by any character in game, and I certainly don't recall meeting many Nords who looked down on thu'ums, other than those who were already pro-Empire and would've sided against Ulfric regardless of what means he'd used to defeat Toryyg.

Nonetheless, it doesn't make any difference - Ulfric won the duel and demonstrated his power and authority, and that counts for something among many of the more traditional Nords, thu'um or not.

Just a note.  Ask  the court mage in Whitrun about  Shouts.  he will most definitely  tell you they're a form of  magic.

True, but Nords don't look down upon the Voice.

[Elhanan]

I would say that since one set of Shouts were devised by mortals, and not Dragons that this falls into the realm of magic.

[Mr.House]

Elhanan wrote...

I would say that since one set of Shouts were devised by mortals, and not Dragons that this falls into the realm of magic.

It was created by Dragonborns, not the random person down the street.

[bleetman]

I thought the whole thing with Ulfric Stormcloak using the Voice wasn't that it was looked down upon as an actual ability, but that using it to kill an opponent in a duel was somewhat abusive?

[Mr.House]

bleetman wrote...

I thought the whole thing with Ulfric Stormcloak using the Voice wasn't that it was looked down upon as an actual ability, but that using it to kill an opponent in a duel was somewhat abusive?

Ulfric wanted to prove a point and he did, there is also so many versions of what happen in the Blue Palace we don't know what really happen. I don't beleive Ulfric killed the High King with a shout personaly, he used a shout sure but there is no way his shout was that powerful to tear someone apart yet he can't even send the player flying when he uses a shout.

Modifié par Mr.House, 12 décembre 2011 - 03:05 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Was there any versions of what happened that didn't involve a shout? I didn't hear any version denying it.

[Costin_Razvan]

It's been thirty years since the Concordat, give or take, and they're working closely with the Thalmor in Skyrim. Just when are they going to start this war?

It's easy to see why veterans like Ulfric and Galmar would begin to doubt that they are ever going to do anything.

Ulfric only started the war after being manipulated into doing so by the Thalmor, remember that.

[Carcharoth42]

greengoron89 wrote...

I think he just used an Unrelenting Force shout to knock Torygg back (and to simply demonstrate his power, I suspect), then finished out the duel the "old-fashioned" way.

Ulfric admits this if you talk to him. He knocked Torygg down with the shout and stabbed him through the heart.

[Meris]

I feel so cheated by this game.

Yahtzee's seen a grandma flying through the ground. Nothing that awesome happened to me.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

It's been thirty years since the Concordat, give or take, and they're working closely with the Thalmor in Skyrim. Just when are they going to start this war?

It's easy to see why veterans like Ulfric and Galmar would begin to doubt that they are ever going to do anything.

Ulfric only started the war after being manipulated into doing so by the Thalmor, remember that.

They approached him after Markarth and he told them to **** off.  Where is the manipulation?

[Addai]

Carcharoth42 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I think he just used an Unrelenting Force shout to knock Torygg back (and to simply demonstrate his power, I suspect), then finished out the duel the "old-fashioned" way.

Ulfric admits this if you talk to him. He knocked Torygg down with the shout and stabbed him through the heart.

Yes, and he also calls the shouts a form of magic.

The Nords' suspicion of magic must also be new, and is more of an inclination than a tradition.  All the jarls have court wizards and some of the draugr are battle mages, so that isn't something recent.

Modifié par Addai67, 12 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[Meris]

Addai67 wrote...

Carcharoth42 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I think he just used an Unrelenting Force shout to knock Torygg back (and to simply demonstrate his power, I suspect), then finished out the duel the "old-fashioned" way.

Ulfric admits this if you talk to him. He knocked Torygg down with the shout and stabbed him through the heart.

Yes, and he also calls the shouts a form of magic.

The Nords' suspicion of magic must also be new, and is more of an inclination than a tradition.  All the jarls have court wizards and some of the draugr are battle mages, so that isn't something recent.

I think its the other way around. The Nord's suspicion of (Mages' Guild style) magic is as ancient as their respect and veneration for ('draconic magic' style) Shouts - which is tied to the image of those who practice it.