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[LobselVith8]

GarrusV4karian wrote

So does anyone know here when joining the Stormcloaks makes the most sense to the story?

It's up to you, really, in terms of when you think your specific character would become a member of Ulfric's rebellion. Do you want to pursue other interests first? Do you want to explore the world with your new-found freedom? Do you want to investigate both sides, in-character, first, in order to make a decision? Or did your character come to Skyrim because he wanted to aid Ulfric in his rebellion? It's all up to you, and what makes sense for your character.

[bleetman]

Pretty much. The only thing I'd add is that you're going to want to end the civil war before getting too deep into the main story quests, if your intention is to side with one or the other. There comes a point where it effectively won't go any further until it's resolved, and whilst a different option does present itself at that point, 'brb then, winning the civil war singlehandedly' seems a bit silly to me.

Modifié par bleetman, 14 décembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[GodWood]

Hmm, turns out Karliah is Barenziah's granddaughter. Well there you go.

In other news, man the guilds are dissapointing.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

I don't understand why people want to kill Madanach. He's twice the man that Ulfric is, and he has twice the right to be the High King (of the Reach).

Because he went on and on about painting the walls with Nord blood?  To my Nord's face?  Also I really have little sympathy for them after seeing their camps.

I helped him escape and then killed him outside in the city.

It's amazing for all the claims about Nord superiority, one basically encounters the exact opposite at every step.

Ulfric and a few of his friends conquered their highly fortified city.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[Addai]

KenKenpachi wrote...

virumor wrote...
It's amazing for all the claims about Nord superiority, one basically encounters the exact opposite at every step.

The Nords are much like the Vikings and Spartans, for all the bluster and greatness, historically, when faced with a foe, they tend to look down on them and then well...get there butts handed to them. One died out as it lacked cultural influences of its own, the other pissed off Rome and had all of its people wiped out. Both live on in hollywood and Dorm rooms. Which is ironic in a manner.

lolwut... Vikings conquered territory all up and down northern and eastern Europe.  Not sure what you're talking about.  And uh, also not sure what you mean by having all its people wiped out or its culture disappear- which is which, by the way?  I suppose the Scandinavians and Icelanders would have a thing or two to say about either.

I think the common theme here is that the Romans have mostly won the propaganda war that says they were the gods' gift to earth.  The Imperials are much in that theme, but Cyrodiil would be in the Dominion already if not for the Nord legions.

[Addai]

greengoron89 wrote...

The dossier also states that he was only made an "agent" after significant interrogation at Thalmor hands, and has become "uncooperative" since the Markarth Incident - and assuming you aid the Stormcloaks drive out the Empire, it actually throws a wrench in the Thalmor's plans because their goal along was to keep Skyrim in a perpetual state of civil war.

Besides, should it turn out that Ulfric is a puppet as you say, it's much easier to get rid of and supplant a single "agent", than it would be to try to rein in an Empire riddled with Thalmor agents who monitor its every move.

Not an agent, it says he is an "asset."  That could mean they think he could be useful, and that they've managed to manipulate him, but does not mean that he's knowingly cooperated with them at all.

The whole dossier reeks of typical Altmer arrogance and a bit of CYA.  They didn't get any useful information out of him, he managed to escape, and he told them to go **** their mother when they approached him, but they're going to try to take credit for his rebellion and Markarth anyway and pretend they meant to do all that.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:17 .

[Costin_Razvan]

They let him escape, that's kinda the part you're missing.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

They let him escape, that's kinda the part you're missing.

They claim that they let him escape.  The whole document was written by Thalmor agents kissing up to their superiors, and the Altmer do not admit weakness or failure.  What else are they going to say?

Modifié par Addai67, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:02 .

[Mr.House]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

They let him escape, that's kinda the part you're missing.

That's what the report says, written by a Thalmor agent.  That's the part you are missing.

[Redneck1st]

Well now I see were sitll debating the Civil war here so I've not missed much not being in the forum the last couple of days.<LOL>

I did start a new play though and I'm currently playing as a Female Redguard. Have mainly done all exterior exploring except for less than a dozen interior areas as I'm trying to get all the map markers reavealed. And believe me that is easier said than done.

In two days and 125 map markers revealed I've got her up to 70 in Heavy Armor and about 65 in 1-handed and bow. I've made a bunch of potions and have just got her Alchemey at 100. Now I'm going to work on smithing and stop exploring for a while. As I want to get up to at least 90 in smithing. Not sure if I want to go with Ebony this time or stick with Daedric. Heck even with what little interior work or quests for which I've done I've already got about 8 different shouts. Don't have the souls yet to unlock them though.

Will have to admit that I like my Redguard play through better than my Wood elf. I just have to remember to keep potions of cure disease on hand.<LOL>

EDIT:

Oh and yes I've already been made thane of Whiterun and have bought and furnished the house there. Took every septum I had at the time. I think that when it was all said and done I was left with about  or 5 septums. Most things for which I come across I sell I don't keep nothing unless of course it's enchanted and then I put it away till I get an enchanting table.She's currently wearing Dwarven armor for which she's come across some where or another. and a pair of steel swords and an imperial bow. None of it is enchanted as of yet.

Modifié par Redneck1st, 14 décembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Dutchess]

Ha, I'm Arch-Mage. I'm only level 21 and don't even know any expert or master spells. Lol.
Ah well, the pretty room is mine!

Modifié par renjility, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[Dreadstruck]

I find it amazing how some people's standards of evidence so often boil down to 'if it makes Ulfric look good, it's in; if it makes Ulfric look bad, it's obviously lies and propaganda'.

Basically I don't think arguing over his issue nets any answers. You people have already made up your mind and are then sorting the facts to fit your conclusion.

It's up to Bethesda to decide the outcome anyway. *shrugs*

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 14 décembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Hey BSN. I just wanted to say that I got into the Skyrim boat. Couldn't resist after ALL THE INTERNET talking about it.

It's my first Elder Scrolls game. I hope I don't regret it.

Any mods I should check it out before starting the game? I don't mind the ones related to the presentation since I think the game's fine. I mean the ones related to gameplay, UI, etc.

[Cutlass Jack]

virumor wrote...

I don't understand why people want to kill Madanach. He's twice the man that Ulfric is, and he has twice the right to be the High King (of the Reach).

Madanach basically storms off and kills all guards in Markarth half-naked with 3 half-naked friends. What does Ulfric do? Sucker-thu'um the High King then run off like a little girl.

It's amazing for all the claims about Nord superiority, one basically encounters the exact opposite at every step.

I didn't decide to kill him until he asked me to kill the one nice guy in the prison to 'prove' myself to him. Between that and ordering the murder of innocent people on the streets of Markath I didn't see much point in keeping him around.

As for his 'toughness', well never got to see that. Bound swords are really easy to sneak into prisons.
He didn't get very far.

[marbatico]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Hey BSN. I just wanted to say that I got into the Skyrim boat. Couldn't resist after ALL THE INTERNET talking about it.

It's my first Elder Scrolls game. I hope I don't regret it.

Any mods I should check it out before starting the game? I don't mind the ones related to the presentation since I think the game's fine. I mean the ones related to gameplay, UI, etc.

if you are looking for mods this is the place to be
just look through it and see what you'd like to add

[Dutchess]

Are some companions better than others? I currently have Aranea Ienith still as my follower, and I'm wondering whether she is better than J'zargo, because I like him and would like him as my follower. But since J'zargo is supposed to be an apprentice mage, I think he may be less good than Aranea?
I have read the post about leveling followers up in this thread (70 pages ago or so), so that won't influence which one is better.

[marbatico]

renjility wrote...

Are some companions better than others? I currently have Aranea Ienith still as my follower, and I'm wondering whether she is better than J'zargo, because I like him and would like him as my follower. But since J'zargo is supposed to be an apprentice mage, I think he may be less good than Aranea?
I have read the post about leveling followers up in this thread (70 pages ago or so), so that won't influence which one is better.

it depends on you're playstyle: a mage would be better of with a tank, and a warior would be better of with ranged support. a thief is better of alone though, as companions have the habbit of blowing your cover

Modifié par marbatico, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[Dutchess]

I am a mage myself, so I probably would be better off with a non-mage companion, but so far I am doing fine, and I think a melee fighter will get in my range all the time. Ranged companions already have a habit of that.
But I meant whether there is a difference between companions of the same class? Are all mages just as good?

[Redneck1st]

renjility wrote...

I am a mage myself, so I probably would be better off with a non-mage companion, but so far I am doing fine, and I think a melee fighter will get in my range all the time. Ranged companions already have a habit of that.
But I meant whether there is a difference between companions of the same class? Are all mages just as good?

IMHO never cared for mages to be honest with you there. I very seldom use spells to be honest with you there. Prefer a bow or duel weilding daggers or Long swords along with stealth. Such nice clean kiss from a distance.

EDIT:

@CutlassJack whose the nicest guy in the prison? 

Modifié par Redneck1st, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Dutchess]

 Heh, well, I like mages. Although I was in conflict whether my first character would be a khajiit sneak assassin or an elven mage. I will definitely go for stealth with my second character, but I will continue to explore the game further with my mage for now.

[HoonDing]

It's funny how the Forsworn have the same goals as the Stormcloaks, i.e. purging the lands they view as their own off  "outlanders".  But Madanach and his Forsworn are at least honest about it. Madanach straight out tells you that your character's going to get killed in any Forsworn camp even though you helped them.

Ulfric never speaks straight, even though every Stormcloak grunt spouts drivel about "true sons and daughters of Skyrim" (ha!) and all his lieutenants can't stop speaking about "killing the traitors".

It's also striking how some Jarls loyal to Ulfric mention that he's in it for his own glory, even though they agree with his cause.

greengoron89 wrote...

Then that's their slip-up - because Ulfric obviously has no love for the Thalmor, "asset" or not. And if he were truly working for the Thalmor, he would've done everything is his power to keep the war going indefinitely as was the Thalmor's intention in the first place.

Instead, he does everything in his power to crush the Empire and completely drive them and the Thalmor out of Skyrim. No "agent" or "asset" could so boldly go against the established plan and still be considered such afterwards.

No. Both parties sit on their asses doing nothing until the player comes in and either does all their work, or ends the stalemate with a truce (which is frankly more than Ulfric the Coward deserves).

Modifié par virumor, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[Redneck1st]

renjility wrote...

 Heh, well, I like mages. Although I was in conflict whether my first character would be a khajiit sneak assassin or an elven mage. I will definitely go for stealth with my second character, but I will continue to explore the game further with my mage for now.

I understand that there and we all have our likes or dislikes. As for me I'm on my 2nd play through and I'm running a female redguard assin/thief. I'll use what little magic I need to get me through the Mage College quest as there are a couple of quest you need to do in there in order to get access to a couple of the word walls as well as for the Stone I need for a thieves guild quest.

[happy_daiz]

renjility wrote...

I am a mage myself, so I probably would be better off with a non-mage companion, but so far I am doing fine, and I think a melee fighter will get in my range all the time. Ranged companions already have a habit of that.
But I meant whether there is a difference between companions of the same class? Are all mages just as good?

I've been wondering that myself. If you read the wikis, some are noted as "powerful", but does that mean they're more powerful than the ones that aren't listed that way? Not sure.

From what I've read, most people have said Illia is pretty awesome, but there are some bugs with losing her if you take on temporary companions, and whatnot. Not an issue if you're on PC, but if you're on console, there's no way to fix it, that I know of.

I'm going to try out Eola as a follower this playthrough. As much as I enjoyed Ghorbash in my last playthrough, it's time for a change. Or maybe I'll try out that cutie from the mage's college - Onmund?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 14 décembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[Redneck1st]

virumor wrote...

It's funny how the Forsworn have the same goals as the Stormcloaks, i.e. purging the lands they view as their own off  "outlanders".  But Madanach and his Forsworn are at least honest about it. Madanach straight out tells you that your character's going to get killed in any Forsworn camp even though you helped them.

It's also striking how some Jarls loyal to Ulfric mention that Ulfric's in it for his own glory, even though they agree with his cause.

greengoron89 wrote...

Then that's their slip-up - because Ulfric obviously has no love for the Thalmor, "asset" or not. And if he were truly working for the Thalmor, he would've done everything is his power to keep the war going indefinitely as was the Thalmor's intention in the first place.

Instead, he does everything in his power to crush the Empire and completely drive them and the Thalmor out of Skyrim. No "agent" or "asset" could so boldly go against the established plan and still be considered such afterwards.

No. Both parties sit on their asses doing nothing until the player comes in and either does all their work, or ends the stalemate.

And then you got ones like me that go through and kill any foresworn that they come across because my female Redguard is tired of being attacked by them every whenever she pass near one of their camps.