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[GarrusV4karian]

LobselVith8 wrote...

GarrusV4karian wrote

So does anyone know here when joining the Stormcloaks makes the most sense to the story?

It's up to you, really, in terms of when you think your specific character would become a member of Ulfric's rebellion. Do you want to pursue other interests first? Do you want to explore the world with your new-found freedom? Do you want to investigate both sides, in-character, first, in order to make a decision? Or did your character come to Skyrim because he wanted to aid Ulfric in his rebellion? It's all up to you, and what makes sense for your character.

Well yes, there's always that.

But I'm a Nord, who wants to aid is brethren, even if he knows joining the Imperial is in the longer way the better option. I just don't want to go to early to Windhelm.

But someone tell me, do you ever visit Windhelm during the main story? B/c if that's the case, it would make sense to my story to join the Stormcloaks when I visit the place through the main story.

[LobselVith8]

Avalla'ch wrote...

I find it amazing how some people's standards of evidence so often boil down to 'if it makes Ulfric look good, it's in; if it makes Ulfric look bad, it's obviously lies and propaganda'.

Basically I don't think arguing over his issue nets any answers. You people have already made up your mind and are then sorting the facts to fit your conclusion.

It's up to Bethesda to decide the outcome anyway. *shrugs*

I think it's good that both General Tullis and Ulfric Stormcloak are not one-dimensional characters, and that there are different views that can be held of both characters and their current (and past) actions. I like the fact that neither one of them is a saint, and both of them represent factions that have good and bad aspects to them. It all boils down to a matter of opinion and what we think might be true, because we are likely never going to know how much is accurate, and how much is bias, about events that are outside the knowledge of our protagonist. If nothing else, the one thing Tullius and Ulfric have in common is both men despise the Thalmor.

I see Madanach the same way, as a character who doesn't simply wear a white or black hat; he has genuine reasons to feel the way he does because of what happened to the Reach and his people, but the Forsworn don't simply attack their aggressors - they attack pretty much everyone who isn't one of them, including the protagonist (even if he aids Madanach against Thonar Silver-Blood and becomes a hero to the disenfranchised of the Warrens).

[happy_daiz]

I giggle every time I hear General Tullius talk - Captain Bailey, what are you doing in Tamriel?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 14 décembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[LobselVith8]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

GarrusV4karian wrote

So does anyone know here when joining the Stormcloaks makes the most sense to the story?

It's up to you, really, in terms of when you think your specific character would become a member of Ulfric's rebellion. Do you want to pursue other interests first? Do you want to explore the world with your new-found freedom? Do you want to investigate both sides, in-character, first, in order to make a decision? Or did your character come to Skyrim because he wanted to aid Ulfric in his rebellion? It's all up to you, and what makes sense for your character.

Well yes, there's always that.

But I'm a Nord, who wants to aid is brethren, even if he knows joining the Imperial is in the longer way the better option. I just don't want to go to early to Windhelm.

But someone tell me, do you ever visit Windhelm during the main story? B/c if that's the case, it would make sense to my story to join the Stormcloaks when I visit the place through the main story.

 I've had my characters visit Whiterun and Windhelm, and not participated in the civil war. My Dunmer mage took Hadvar's advice to heart, and went his own seperate way, going to nearby Falkreath and making money to make his journey to Winterhold and the College of Winterhold. My protagonist didn't even go to Riverwood until it became a necessity for the "Alteration Ritual Spell" quest, and then Delphine's line about "needing time to put things together" after "A Blade In the Dark" gave me the opportunity to continue with the College of Winterhold MQ because the threat of the Eye of Magnus (and potential Thalmor abuse of it) necessitated it.

Your only limit is your imagination. Sometimes your character goes in an entirely different direction than you anticipated, because it fits with what he (or she) will do "in-character." Your Nord protagonist could visit Windhelm and not participate in the civil war until you feel it's necessary, and you can have your own reasons for delaying any participation. Is he training to be an effective warrior? Is he gathering all of the information he can before he elects to pick a side (even though you already know he will side with the Stormcloaks)? Perhaps he has responsibilities he needs to sort through before he devotes all his time and energy into emancipating Skyrim from the Imperial Empire?

[GarrusV4karian]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Your only limit is your imagination. Sometimes your character goes in an entirely different direction than you anticipated, because it fits with what he (or she) will do "in-character." Your Nord protagonist could visit Windhelm and not participate in the civil war until you feel it's necessary, and you can have your own reasons for delaying any participation. Is he training to be an effective warrior? Is he gathering all of the information he can before he elects to pick a side (even though you already know he will side with the Stormcloaks)? Perhaps he has responsibilities he needs to sort through before he devotes all his time and energy into emancipating Skyrim from the Imperial Empire?

Well said, and I think I have to role play my character more.

But my question remaisn, do you ever visit Windhelm in the main quest? This would make it all easier for me.

[DragonRageGT]

Ok, there's something really weird in this run. Not many dragons at all but that's manageable. Now, things keep falling from the sky! I know how some NPC say  "keep your eyes to the sky" but this is ridiculous.

100 hours after I killed Mirmulnir, he dropped from the sky right at Whiterun Stables. On the road I've seen many other things falling from the sky. A deer, an alchemist, a bandit, a bear, in different locations and time.

Is there a way to erase the dragon from the stable?

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

It's funny how the Forsworn have the same goals as the Stormcloaks, i.e. purging the lands they view as their own off  "outlanders".  But Madanach and his Forsworn are at least honest about it. Madanach straight out tells you that your character's going to get killed in any Forsworn camp even though you helped them.

Ulfric never speaks straight, even though every Stormcloak grunt spouts drivel about "true sons and daughters of Skyrim" (ha!) and all his lieutenants can't stop speaking about "killing the traitors".

I don't recall any dialogue about killing traitors.

And even though many people assume Ulfric plans to purge Skyrim of other races, he never says that and neither does Galmar.  They want Nords in charge of their government without outside interference.  That does not equate to ethnic cleansing or killing all their enemies.  Ulfric allows Balgruuf and the other imperial jarls to sit around in the Blue Palace plotting ways to put his head on a spike.  Do you think Madanach would be as tempered?

It's also striking how some Jarls loyal to Ulfric mention that he's in it for his own glory, even though they agree with his cause.

Most great generals/ leaders are egotistical to some degree.  They wouldn't be doing what they do without this ambition.  Look at men like Alexander, who believed he was civilizing the world by imposing Greek culture and ideals on it.  Talking to Ulfric about his experiences with the Greybeards, for instance, he shows (to me) a striking humility.  So I do not at all get a power-mad vibe about him.  At least I would say the picture is more mixed.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 décembre 2011 - 04:09 .

[LobselVith8]

happy_daiz wrote...

I giggle every time I hear General Tullius talk - Captain Bailey, what are you doing in Tamriel?

Saul Tigh... Saul Tigh with his eyepatch, screaming about the frakking Cylons and the Cylon lover who took his post as the new XO...

[Redneck1st]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Your only limit is your imagination. Sometimes your character goes in an entirely different direction than you anticipated, because it fits with what he (or she) will do "in-character." Your Nord protagonist could visit Windhelm and not participate in the civil war until you feel it's necessary, and you can have your own reasons for delaying any participation. Is he training to be an effective warrior? Is he gathering all of the information he can before he elects to pick a side (even though you already know he will side with the Stormcloaks)? Perhaps he has responsibilities he needs to sort through before he devotes all his time and energy into emancipating Skyrim from the Imperial Empire?

Well said, and I think I have to role play my character more.

But my question remaisn, do you ever visit Windhelm in the main quest? This would make it all easier for me.

I have on several ocassions and did several quests there for folks as well and didn't have any problems at all. So like everyone is telling you you can do things at your leisure when you want to do them and what side you want to be on.

As for me my female Redguard is going to find some Foresworn but to kick.

[LobselVith8]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Your only limit is your imagination. Sometimes your character goes in an entirely different direction than you anticipated, because it fits with what he (or she) will do "in-character." Your Nord protagonist could visit Windhelm and not participate in the civil war until you feel it's necessary, and you can have your own reasons for delaying any participation. Is he training to be an effective warrior? Is he gathering all of the information he can before he elects to pick a side (even though you already know he will side with the Stormcloaks)? Perhaps he has responsibilities he needs to sort through before he devotes all his time and energy into emancipating Skyrim from the Imperial Empire?

Well said, and I think I have to role play my character more.

But my question remains, do you ever visit Windhelm in the main quest? This would make it all easier for me.

Without spoiling too much, you will visit Windhelm much later in the MQ (towards the end), but it will pertain to the civil war. You can still side with either faction and finish the civil war after the events of the MQ.

[GarrusV4karian]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Without spoiling too much, you will visit Windhelm much later in the MQ (towards the end), but it will pertain to the civil war. You can still side with either faction and finish the civil war after the events of the MQ.

Thx, last question (sorry, just wanting to get this playthrough rigth).

Did you find it preferable to join the Stormcloaks earlier than that or does it make sense if I join them there?

[Addai]

Avalla'ch wrote...

I find it amazing how some people's standards of evidence so often boil down to 'if it makes Ulfric look good, it's in; if it makes Ulfric look bad, it's obviously lies and propaganda'.

Basically I don't think arguing over his issue nets any answers. You people have already made up your mind and are then sorting the facts to fit your conclusion.

It's up to Bethesda to decide the outcome anyway. *shrugs*

That all works both ways.

[LobselVith8]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Without spoiling too much, you will visit Windhelm much later in the MQ (towards the end), but it will pertain to the civil war. You can still side with either faction and finish the civil war after the events of the MQ.

Thx, last question (sorry, just wanting to get this playthrough rigth).

Did you find it preferable to join the Stormcloaks earlier than that or does it make sense if I join them there?

You can side with them early on, or later on, in the story. It doesn't negatively impact you if you decide to delay joining the Stormcloaks. If you side with them after the MQ, the civil war becomes a part of MQ, where the issue of the war between the two sides needs to be addressed in order to progress with the storyline, which is why your protagonist will head to Windhelm. My original character sided with Jarl Ulfric early on, before the MQ was concluded, but my new characters will wait until the MQ is over to participate in the civil war. It's really up to you.

[happy_daiz]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Without spoiling too much, you will visit Windhelm much later in the MQ (towards the end), but it will pertain to the civil war. You can still side with either faction and finish the civil war after the events of the MQ.

Thx, last question (sorry, just wanting to get this playthrough rigth).

Did you find it preferable to join the Stormcloaks earlier than that or does it make sense if I join them there?

Methinks you might be overthinking this. Just do it when it feels right, and if you come to a realization later on that it wasn't optimal, reload, or do it differently in your next playthrough.

[MarchWaltz]

www.youtube.com/watch
sorry, couldn't resist making one! 

[Addai]

GarrusV4karian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Without spoiling too much, you will visit Windhelm much later in the MQ (towards the end), but it will pertain to the civil war. You can still side with either faction and finish the civil war after the events of the MQ.

Thx, last question (sorry, just wanting to get this playthrough rigth).

Did you find it preferable to join the Stormcloaks earlier than that or does it make sense if I join them there?

I really think it's totally up to your roleplay choices, though as someone said earlier you'll be forced to choose if you pursue the main quest.

My first character came to Skyrim to join the Stormcloaks, so I went to Windhelm early.  My assassin came to Skyrim to assassinate Ulfric (lol), but has decided to do other things and certainly doesn't care about the civil war.  So I won't do anything with the civil war quest line before I have to.

[AngryFrozenWater]

About the house in Windhelm: Blood Ice unlocked after I did the Stormcloak quests. I bought the house in the middle of that quest and used the key to investigate the events there. Blood on Ice finished, but the killer is not caught. A few days later the quest should reopen to catch the real killer. That never happened to me. So there is an innocent man in jail now. Ghehe.

[Barbarossa2010]

Blackreach...just...WOW!

I thought Alftand was a worthy dungeon, with a few toughies spread throughout, and so much loot, I literally had to leave three stashes strategically behind. At the end, I was thinking wow, "what a great dungeon, let's go grab that scroll..."

...then I opened the door to Blackreach.

I'm still in there, determined to explore every square inch. Feels like an underground and maddeningly dark version of Big Mountain.

[GarrusV4karian]

LobselVith8 wrote...
You can side with them early on, or later on, in the story. It doesn't negatively impact you if you decide to delay joining the Stormcloaks. If you side with them after the MQ, the civil war becomes a part of MQ, where the issue of the war between the two sides needs to be addressed in order to progress with the storyline, which is why your protagonist will head to Windhelm. My original character sided with Jarl Ulfric early on, before the MQ was concluded, but my new characters will wait until the MQ is over to participate in the civil war. It's really up to you.

Hmm, yeah I think I'm gonna follow the MQ 'til I arrive to Windhelm and join them there. Thx for the answes, all of you:)

@happy_daiz Maybe a little^_^ But I usually roleplay this way. Trying to do everything perfect during my first playtrhough. Yup, that's me.

[marbatico]

RageGT wrote...

Ok, there's something really weird in this run. Not many dragons at all but that's manageable. Now, things keep falling from the sky! I know how some NPC say  "keep your eyes to the sky" but this is ridiculous.

100 hours after I killed Mirmulnir, he dropped from the sky right at Whiterun Stables. On the road I've seen many other things falling from the sky. A deer, an alchemist, a bandit, a bear, in different locations and time.

Is there a way to erase the dragon from the stable?

have you ever tried shooting a fire bolt at a dragons corpse? it sends it flying away  dunno if that works for other range spells, i've only usedthat one so far

[happy_daiz]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Blackreach...just...WOW!

I thought Alftand was a worthy dungeon, with a few toughies spread throughout, and so much loot, I literally had to leave three stashes strategically behind. At the end, I was thinking wow, "what a great dungeon, let's go grab that scroll..."

...then I opened the door to Blackreach.

I'm still in there, determined to explore every square inch. Feels like an underground and maddeningly dark version of Big Mountain.

Blackreach is amazing.  

I did find a bit of a black hole near one of the waterfalls, though. My character got stuck in sparkly black, and couldn't jump or whirlwind sprint out of it, so I had to reload.

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

They let him escape, that's kinda the part you're missing.

They claim that they let him escape.  The whole document was written by Thalmor agents kissing up to their superiors, and the Altmer do not admit weakness or failure.  What else are they going to say?

And besides your bias do you have anything to argue against it? Any game proof? 

[Addai]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

About the house in Windhelm: Blood Ice unlocked after I did the Stormcloak quests. I bought the house in the middle of that quest and used the key to investigate the events there. Blood on Ice finished, but the killer is not caught. A few days later the quest should reopen to catch the real killer. That never happened to me. So there is an innocent man in jail now. Ghehe.

He's pretty smug when you go back to him with pie on your face.  Heh.

[DragonRageGT]

MarchWaltz wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
sorry, couldn't resist making one! 

LOL and thumbs up!

[DragonRageGT]

marbatico wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Ok, there's something really weird in this run. Not many dragons at all but that's manageable. Now, things keep falling from the sky! I know how some NPC say  "keep your eyes to the sky" but this is ridiculous.

100 hours after I killed Mirmulnir, he dropped from the sky right at Whiterun Stables. On the road I've seen many other things falling from the sky. A deer, an alchemist, a bandit, a bear, in different locations and time.

Is there a way to erase the dragon from the stable?

have you ever tried shooting a fire bolt at a dragons corpse? it sends it flying away  dunno if that works for other range spells, i've only usedthat one so far

No, going to try that when I'm back there. I tried a fus-ro-da but it didn't do anything... hehe (I might res the fraking thing and kill it again!)