LobselVith8 wrote...
Avalla'ch wrote...
I find it amazing how some people's standards of evidence so often boil down to 'if it makes Ulfric look good, it's in; if it makes Ulfric look bad, it's obviously lies and propaganda'.
Basically I don't think arguing over his issue nets any answers. You people have already made up your mind and are then sorting the facts to fit your conclusion.
It's up to Bethesda to decide the outcome anyway. *shrugs*
I think it's good that both General Tullis and Ulfric Stormcloak are not one-dimensional characters, and that there are different views that can be held of both characters and their current (and past) actions. I like the fact that neither one of them is a saint, and both of them represent factions that have good and bad aspects to them. It all boils down to a matter of opinion and what we think might be true, because we are likely never going to know how much is accurate, and how much is bias, about events that are outside the knowledge of our protagonist. If nothing else, the one thing Tullius and Ulfric have in common is both men despise the Thalmor.
I see Madanach the same way, as a character who doesn't simply wear a white or black hat; he has genuine reasons to feel the way he does because of what happened to the Reach and his people, but the Forsworn don't simply attack their aggressors - they attack pretty much everyone who isn't one of them, including the protagonist (even if he aids Madanach against Thonar Silver-Blood and becomes a hero to the disenfranchised of the Warrens).
both madanach and thonar are rotten scumbags. I sided with madanach until he killed Thonar, and then I killed Madanach and his gang immedeatly after





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