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[Addai]

virumor wrote...
The book "Bear of Markarth" shows you're wrong. It mentions that Madanach's reign was peaceful and prosperous, and the Empire even would planned to make a treaty with them and let them have their own kingdom. Until Ulfric came and killed everyone.

I appreciate Madanach and his Forsworn for their honesty, while I despite Ulfric for being a hypocritic coward.

Madanach telling a Nord he means to paint the walls with Nord blood is honest, alright.  The stupid kind.

The empire had no intention of making a treaty or that's what they would have done.  Ulfric was still an imperial soldier at the time- he was not acting on his own.  The clearing of Markarth was the empire's doing, then they sold him out afterward when the Thalmor got wind of it all.

Doesn't anyone consider the source when they read things like that?  Like Dragon Age codex, the books are written from a POV and this one is imperial ass-covering after the Thalmor heard they had promised Markarth religious freedom.  Just look at the last page where the book sums up "..and this is why we played around with Talos worship in Markarth, because Ulfric is such a meanie and we had to.  Waaaaaah."  Ulfric became the imperial scapegoat.  Once they got from him what they wanted, they threw him under the bus.  They're the ones who are hypocrites and cowards.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 décembre 2011 - 12:49 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Does anyone use a horse like ever?

I really dont have a need for one to be honest I have found.
Especially since companions cant ride on one, and you cant fight on horse back either.

[Addai]

I don't use a horse, no. Too much bother. Also don't take a dog with me. The dogs in the game just don't stack up to Dogmeat @ Fallout.

[Addai]

The Hierophant wrote...

Finally started the Blood On The Ice Quest. The quest is making me feel like a medieval Columbo, and i have say "The Butcher is a sick S.O.B."

Prepare for it to be a bit buggy.  Follow the directions carefully and don't take shortcuts.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 décembre 2011 - 12:50 .

[HoonDing]

Addai67 wrote...

virumor wrote...
The book "Bear of Markarth" shows you're wrong. It mentions that Madanach's reign was peaceful and prosperous, and the Empire even would planned to make a treaty with them and let them have their own kingdom. Until Ulfric came and killed everyone.

I appreciate Madanach and his Forsworn for their honesty, while I despite Ulfric for being a hypocritic coward.

Madanach telling a Nord he means to paint the walls with Nord blood is honest, alright.  The stupid kind.

The empire had no intention of making a treaty or that's what they would have done.  Ulfric was still an imperial soldier at the time- he was not acting on his own.  The clearing of Markarth was the empire's doing, then they sold him out afterward when the Thalmor got wind of it all.

Doesn't anyone consider the source when they read things like that?  Like Dragon Age codex, the books are written from a POV and this one is imperial ass-covering after the Thalmor got wind they had promised Markarth religious freedom.  Just look at the last page where the book sums up "..and this is why we played around with Talos worship in Markarth, because Ulfric is such a meanie and we had to.  Waaaaaah."  Ulfric became the imperial scapegoat.  Once they got from him what they wanted, they threw him under the bus.  They're the ones who are hypocrites and cowards.

I doubt the Empire commanded Ulfric to kill everyone in the city that wouldn't swear fealty to him, nor did they command Ulfric to openly defy the White-Gold Concordat by proclaiming Talos worship in Markarth.

He betrayed the Empire right then and there.

The "Bear of Markarth" beign written by an Imperial scholar does not make it automatically propaganda. Most research institutes are in the Imperial Province, for one. Not to mention the other book by the same author goes against Imperial propaganda that the Forsworn are all mad wildlings that need to be put down.

Modifié par virumor, 21 décembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[LadyKarrakaz]

virumor wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

virumor wrote...
The book "Bear of Markarth" shows you're wrong. It mentions that Madanach's reign was peaceful and prosperous, and the Empire even would planned to make a treaty with them and let them have their own kingdom. Until Ulfric came and killed everyone.

I appreciate Madanach and his Forsworn for their honesty, while I despite Ulfric for being a hypocritic coward.

Madanach telling a Nord he means to paint the walls with Nord blood is honest, alright.  The stupid kind.

The empire had no intention of making a treaty or that's what they would have done.  Ulfric was still an imperial soldier at the time- he was not acting on his own.  The clearing of Markarth was the empire's doing, then they sold him out afterward when the Thalmor got wind of it all.

Doesn't anyone consider the source when they read things like that?  Like Dragon Age codex, the books are written from a POV and this one is imperial ass-covering after the Thalmor got wind they had promised Markarth religious freedom.  Just look at the last page where the book sums up "..and this is why we played around with Talos worship in Markarth, because Ulfric is such a meanie and we had to.  Waaaaaah."  Ulfric became the imperial scapegoat.  Once they got from him what they wanted, they threw him under the bus.  They're the ones who are hypocrites and cowards.

I doubt the Empire commanded Ulfric to kill everyone in the city that wouldn't swear fealty to him, nor did they command Ulfric to openly defy the White-Gold Concordat by proclaiming Talos worship in Markarth.

He betrayed the Empire right then and there.

Didn't the emperor promise freedom of worhip to Talos followers as a token of gratitude if Ulfrik's troop liberated Markath of the forsworn (the so called Markath incident)?

[Giggles_Manically]

I would have some sympathy for the Forsworn but in all honesty they are much like other "offended" groups in history who resort to terrorism and murder to get their way.

Stomp them into the ground like any other bandit clan and move on.
If they dont want to play nice, they need to be obliterated.

Much like how Trudeau used the War Measure Act to break the FLQ during the October Crisis.

[Addai]

They wanted him to retake the city and held out the promise of religious freedom as a bonus. That was part of the deal. The jarl in Markarth doesn't complain about Ulfric's brutality, he just says they had no choice but to jail him after the Thalmor got involved. I have no doubt he wasn't gentle on the Forsworn- you see how they fight- but that is how wars are waged.

This is just the pattern the empire shows in fight after fight. They are willing to sell out anyone who's become inconvenient, be it Hammerfell or in this case Ulfric and his men.

[HoonDing]

Purple Lady wrote...

virumor wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

virumor wrote...
The book "Bear of Markarth" shows you're wrong. It mentions that Madanach's reign was peaceful and prosperous, and the Empire even would planned to make a treaty with them and let them have their own kingdom. Until Ulfric came and killed everyone.

I appreciate Madanach and his Forsworn for their honesty, while I despite Ulfric for being a hypocritic coward.

Madanach telling a Nord he means to paint the walls with Nord blood is honest, alright.  The stupid kind.

The empire had no intention of making a treaty or that's what they would have done.  Ulfric was still an imperial soldier at the time- he was not acting on his own.  The clearing of Markarth was the empire's doing, then they sold him out afterward when the Thalmor got wind of it all.

Doesn't anyone consider the source when they read things like that?  Like Dragon Age codex, the books are written from a POV and this one is imperial ass-covering after the Thalmor got wind they had promised Markarth religious freedom.  Just look at the last page where the book sums up "..and this is why we played around with Talos worship in Markarth, because Ulfric is such a meanie and we had to.  Waaaaaah."  Ulfric became the imperial scapegoat.  Once they got from him what they wanted, they threw him under the bus.  They're the ones who are hypocrites and cowards.

I doubt the Empire commanded Ulfric to kill everyone in the city that wouldn't swear fealty to him, nor did they command Ulfric to openly defy the White-Gold Concordat by proclaiming Talos worship in Markarth.

He betrayed the Empire right then and there.

Didn't the emperor promise freedom of worhip to Talos followers as a token of gratitude if Ulfrik's troop liberated Markath of the forsworn (the so called Markath incident)?

I highly doubt this, considering it would be the equivalent of openly declaring war on the Thalmor.

[LadyKarrakaz]

The Empire is very pragmatic indeed.

EDIT, @ Virumor; yep, but that's what the guard (or the stable man, I don't remember, one of the two) say when you first visit Markath and ask about the Markath incident.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 21 décembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[Addai]

They were trying to do it on the down-low and got caught.

The books don't contradict each other since both are trying to present the Forsworn as misunderstood and "noble savages." Well, I might have gone along with that before talking to Madanach, but he confirms all the stereotypes in the end.

[sympathyforsaren]

The Psiijic Order can potentially defeat the Thalmor. They seem to be far advanced to the Thalmor.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

No Arrow in the knee jokes, for shame OTers, for shame.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Does anyone use a horse like ever?

I really dont have a need for one to be honest I have found.
Especially since companions cant ride on one, and you cant fight on horse back either.

I do, just cause I love just trotting around Skyrim, not fast travelling. And they're super awesome at scaling steep mountains.

I do hope that some mod will come out that gives a horse to your companion and maybe adds some basic mounted combat so I could at least swipe at the damn annoying wolves that always pester you.

[Giggles_Manically]

I honestly think that the Empire is just going to turn into Europe.

Fits really Rome and The Empire both get beaten to snot and have very poor rulers.
They get battered by powerful opponents (Thalmor/Visigoths)
Then start to lose territory and cant operate on the scale they do anymore.

Of note is how people identify themselves as being Redguards from HAMMERFELL or Nords from SKYRIM, rather then part of the empire anymore.

I think that Martin was the last gasp of the empire and now its just going to shrink down to probably High Rock and Cyrodil. Then again if the Empire retakes Skyrim it may not come to the end that we think it would.

But considering that the Argonians are seperate, Morrowind and Hammerfell are both beaten to snot, and the Thalmor are sucking up a lot of power I think a continental empire is out of the question.

See this is what I love about TES so much its politics and history are so much deeper than any other game I have ever played.

[Addai]

Purple Lady wrote...

The Empire is very pragmatic indeed.

EDIT, @ Virumor; yep, but that's what the guard (or the stable man, I don't remember, one of the two) say when you first visit Markath and ask about the Markath incident.

Actually the jarl himself tells you that.







I understand the game they played, but it's pretty tough to say that Ulfric is the biggest hypocrite or turncoat here.

[Addai]

Awww... and who says the Thalmor aren't cuddly?  They just want luuuuv.

[billy the squid]

Addai67 wrote...

Purple Lady wrote...

The Empire is very pragmatic indeed.

EDIT, @ Virumor; yep, but that's what the guard (or the stable man, I don't remember, one of the two) say when you first visit Markath and ask about the Markath incident.

Actually the jarl himself tells you that.

*snip*

I understand the game they played, but it's pretty tough to say that Ulfric is the biggest hypocrite or turncoat here.

Indeed Considering they only bought time with the concordat by allowing the Almari dominion to annex the south of Hammerfell, the Empire sold out their provinces to protect Cyrodiil, pragmatic, but it is hardly a ringing endorsement of Imperial impartiality regarding their annexed provinces.

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

I feel your pain.  As a stealthy archer you're Death from the shadows, but if you get mobbed you get a vivid reminder that you've got nothing on.  No trap ever one-shotted my heavy armor battle mage.

Be sure to take the Stealth perk which allows you to walk on pressure plates; great for subtle retreats.

Modifié par Elhanan, 21 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[AventuroLegendary]

KJandrew wrote...

Dammit I hate being a squishy mage, I was so used to running in and chopping stuff to death with a battle axe as my warrior but with my Breton Mage I charged towards a Draugr Deathlord and he King-Harold-ed me with one shot.

Ah, pure mages. The glass cannons of the fantasy genre.
Which is why, I LOVE being a Battle Mage. What's better than a mage with heavy armor, shield/weapon/both in hand in the heat of battle? I'm basically a space marine librarian 

Anyone know a way to get heavy armor up besides training? My character is getting three-shotted by trolls on Expert.

[billy the squid]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Dammit I hate being a squishy mage, I was so used to running in and chopping stuff to death with a battle axe as my warrior but with my Breton Mage I charged towards a Draugr Deathlord and he King-Harold-ed me with one shot.

Ah, pure mages. The glass cannons of the fantasy genre.
Which is why, I LOVE being a Battle Mage. What's better than a mage with heavy armor, shield/weapon/both in hand in the heat of battle? I'm basically a space marine librarian 

Anyone know a way to get heavy armor up besides training? My character is getting three-shotted by trolls on Expert.

Hehe, if your a Librarian then I'm a bezerker a weapon in each hand and heavy armour. Trolls initally can be tough early on, but best way is to activate the Warrior stone for the 20% skill speed increase, get the rested/ well rested bonus for a futher 5% or 10 % then find a load of wolves or skeevers and stand there and let them hit you. They do an insignificant amount of damage, but it is phenomenally boring.

I simply played normally though, and as I can't block my heavy armour skill went up very quickly.

[AventuroLegendary]

billy the squid wrote...


Hehe, if your a Librarian then I'm a bezerker a weapon in each hand and heavy armour. Trolls initally can be tough early on, but best way is to activate the Warrior stone for the 20% skill speed increase, get the rested/ well rested bonus for a futher 5% or 10 % then find a load of wolves or skeevers and stand there and let them hit you. They do an insignificant amount of damage, but it is phenomenally boring.

I simply played normally though, and as I can't block my heavy armour skill went up very quickly.

Ah, makes sense. 
One question, does difficulty increase the amount of XP earned or how fast skills are gained?

[Giggles_Manically]

Ulfric for all his faults...he is still a pragmatic politician.

By sparing Elisif as some NPCs say shows that he is a fair ruler and not some despot.
He gets more people on his side by letting them surrender and ultimately that can save lives. If people know he will treat them decently if they surrender it can save lives in a battle later on. Just like at WW2 and cases of armies killing/capturing people for the truth in that.

Shame he probably is going to give the Dark Elves the boot, honestly my Dark Elf character when she walked into Windhelm was less them happy about how her fellows were getting treated.
Though getting to punch the crap out of that one racist was cathartic.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Shame he probably is going to give the Dark Elves the boot, honestly my Dark Elf character when she walked into Windhelm was less them happy about how her fellows were getting treated.
Though getting to punch the crap out of that one racist was cathartic.

Why would he do that?  If he was going to do it, he'd have done it already.  There was no one to stop him in Windhelm.

People exaggerate his "racism" just as they exaggerate his brutality.