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Mecha Tengu wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

Just finished the DB quest line, looking into the thieves guild questline

IDK man, I don't want to be evil or anything, my character is neutral with good tendencies. I thought the DB stuff was just taking jobs for money, killing victoria vici was brutal and unnecessary.


Well in all honest if you wanted a character thats neutral with good tendencies why would you join a faction like the DB or TG then? Just don't make any sense to me.

As for the DB which is an assasins group and thats what assasins do is get paid for killing people. They don't care for the reason someone once them killed or whether or not they think it was necessary or not. They are paid to do something and they have to carry it out.


the contracts were fine and solid, I carried them out because it was a job

Killing Victoria Vici though was to lure the emperor in and no one ordered her death.

Was fun being the gourmet though lol


that maybe true than again it may not be true in regards to Victoria Vici after all you don't know who it was that paid to have her killed. Was it the guy for which you met that gave you the amulet and the sealed letter for Astrid or was it someone else? After all I didn't read the letter so I don't know what it said or all all he was paying to have killed.

Since were never told in the game who is one hiring us to do allot of the assasinations for which we do we will never know the full deal about Victoria.

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 Anyone knows the Thuum MA-LU-KAH?

Down With Ulfric, The Killer Of Kings! Performed By The Two Most Beautiful Bards In Skyrim!  

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Wow, that is a very lovely voice. I liked that a lot.
I'm partial to The Dragonborn Comes personally, loved that tune.

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Nopz, sorry. There's absolutely nothing that can hurt a Powerbuild Sneak/Archer after level 60. I never even used all those Orcish/Dwarven/Elven/Glass/Ebony and Daedric arrows. I've just been collecting and purchasing them and I have hundreds of each.

But since I pickpocket almost all Soldiers in Skyrim, I have some 1,000 Steel arrows and its 10 damage is more than enough, really. I don't like Mods that change gameplay like the crafting one. There's simply no need for it. I love cosmetics mods though.

Now, I can die if I play carelessly or if I forget to Save constantly. (Murphy is an SOB) But with a couple dozen Poisons with 30 secs Paralysis, which I never use btw, I just feel safe and there's nothing but Dragons that can take 3 Arrows from my Bow and stay alive, and I'm talking about plain attack, not sneak attacks!

Always on Master. Never played any other difficulty. Game is just too easy for powergamers like myself and I just love it! Woohoo!  Rajiit kilhaul!


Based on experience, I would offer such quests like Locate the Assassin of Old in Hag's End as a test; ones that strip you of auto-kills and/ or stealth. Take away your ability to hide, retreat, being able to remove a target in a couple of shots, or gain tactical positioning, and one may feel a bit challenged.

If you do not wish to join the DB, simply add Oliva'a Token to your inventory; way I am playing my current DB eliminator. Hearing the guards giving me props for wasting them, or the coven of Witches to remove lycanthropy makes this playthrough highly memorable.
Based on feedback here, I would suggest A Daedra's Best Friend, as it may strip you  the Player of patience.... Image IPB

My first build was not min/max, but seemed quite able to accept most any test; final stats were something like Magic: 350/ Health: 200/ Stamina: 350. he was able to fall back to spells to avoid Friendly Fire.

This current one is less reliant on spells - though I am tempted to dupe a little - and see to other ways for making solutions.

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Johnsen1972 wrote...

 Anyone knows the Thuum MA-LU-KAH?

Down With Ulfric, The Killer Of Kings! Performed By The Two Most Beautiful Bards In Skyrim!  


Excellent! Thanks for sharing!

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Cool another one....Bethesda employ this woman, now.

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I think enchanting is way to overpowered at the moment. The last perk in enchanting renders every single item in Skyrim useless. I mean, not even Daedric Artefacts are better then those dual enchanted items.

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Johnsen1972 wrote...

I think enchanting is way to overpowered at the moment. The last perk in enchanting renders every single item in Skyrim useless. I mean, not even Daedric Artefacts are better then those dual enchanted items.


That appears to depend on the choice of Enchantments; have yet to choose Robes with dual choices over light armor thus far.

Plus, to be a Master Enchanter, Alchemist, or Smith seemingly means not doing so many other things in the interim; not my personal choice for playing the game no matter the end results. I would rather have less optimum gear and be questing than wait by the forge and tables during my time as Dragonborn. But it is still a valid playstyle; many different ways to approach success.

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The problem is that blacksmithing and enchanting is too easy to level. Its not that it costs you days to max it out. Just buy all iron and leather in whiterun and make iron dagger to max out blacksmithing.
Just enchant everything you find with all the crappy soulstones and sneaking (sells for most money) before you sell it. You will have 100 enchanting in no time.
The only way to still enjoy your random drops is to decide not to get any enchanting perks at all.

Its true, the master robes or the archmage robe is still better, but with dual enchanting you can get 1 school in magic with no mana cost. My mage had full dual enchanted heavy Dragonscale armor with no mana cost for destruction spells at all. No need for master robes....

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RageGT wrote...

Wow... just went to improve some Plate Steel set for Kharjo and since I was at it, did some improving to my lvl 60 Archer's Glass Set and Weapons.

My Glass Bow went to 544 damage and my Armor Rating to over 1,700! (That's higher AR than my Warrior had with his Ebony Set, 1400, with the same Alchemy/Enchanting/Smithing build! =)

Not the weapon though. My Greatsword was around 630 damage. But that was with +136% Smithing potions and the 4 items +29% Smithing set. I never made potions after that. I think the character level may also influence in the power of the potions we can brew? I made some +144% Smithing potions with the Khajiit. Or is it a racial thing, like Kats can brew better potions than Nords ever will?


See now I was thinking last night that maybe I was bugged with my other character and just did not realize it. Because at 48 Alchemy 2 perks in Alchemist, and 54 Enchanting 2 perks in Enchanter, my potions are already producing at the lvl my DE was at 100 skill with 4 perks in each. Maybe it is a racial thing. The cats are the Giggle Juice producers of Tamriel you know... ;) I wonder if anyone else has noticed the difference or has read where cats make better alchemists/enchanters.

Modifié par Eglyntine, 01 janvier 2012 - 06:59 .


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Nopz, sorry. There's absolutely nothing that can hurt a Powerbuild Sneak/Archer after level 60. I never even used all those Orcish/Dwarven/Elven/Glass/Ebony and Daedric arrows. I've just been collecting and purchasing them and I have hundreds of each.

But since I pickpocket almost all Soldiers in Skyrim, I have some 1,000 Steel arrows and its 10 damage is more than enough, really. I don't like Mods that change gameplay like the crafting one. There's simply no need for it. I love cosmetics mods though.

Now, I can die if I play carelessly or if I forget to Save constantly. (Murphy is an SOB) But with a couple dozen Poisons with 30 secs Paralysis, which I never use btw, I just feel safe and there's nothing but Dragons that can take 3 Arrows from my Bow and stay alive, and I'm talking about plain attack, not sneak attacks!

Always on Master. Never played any other difficulty. Game is just too easy for powergamers like myself and I just love it! Woohoo!  Rajiit kilhaul!


I agree with you... the only mod/exploit that I have ever really used in games has been the money making ones. I am poor enough in rl I do not need to go through the pain of that in my game time as well. I want to build my character up to a point where she/he is the legend that the game is talking about it. If I have to scrounge for every last gold piece I get just to buy an arrow or spell or use the cast off armour that the poor bastard I just killed has then I cannot effectively become the Hero of the game. I mean seriously, how good is that armour if the guy wearing just died to you with worse armour than him? I know I am not going to be all powerful in the beginning but mid-way to towards the end I bettered be unstoppable and godly in my opinion. Where the only thing that can bring me down is my own arrogance or stupidity. I was picked by the gods/ppl for a reason. The prophecies foretold it and I do not believe in the "Weak rising up only to still be weak." type prophecies. Who would give two sh*ts about that kind of prophecy?

When I roleplay, if you are not my main objective nemesis or one of his/her Inner Circle then you are cannon fodder put there to slow me down a bit. Like a speed bump. I decide whether to roll over gently or knock everyone's heads into the roof as we sail over the top, the game mechanics should not decide that for me. Again, only my imagination or lack there of should be my obstacle when it comes to killing strategy.

Now if they are an ancient evil that my Nemesis has found and is using, to try to stop me on my path to him that is different and I expect that if the book says the entire world went out of it's way to bury this thing so that it would not destroy the world then I want that encounter to be a difficult fight. But if it is a dungeon full of guys who decided they could not be bothered with working hard for a living and prey on the weak to fill their bellies they should be pretty easy for me to wipe out. Unless of course I am stupid and go charging in like Dudley Do Right blowing the element of surprise.

I look at the lower lvl dragons in this game like potholes and speed bumps that Alduin is throwing at me. If they do not have a name or Elder/Ancient in front of their name then I do not care that it is not an epic fight. They are Alduin's meat shields and I am the tenderizer. Dragons are not and never were the unstoppable killing machines that the storytellers like to make us believe. If they were we would still have a dragon problem and they would not have "extinct" in front of their names. Yes they were powerful, strong and against a village of farmers who are running for the hills they seemed like they were unkillable. But against a trained group of soldiers with a brain in their head or someone like the Dragonborn, most of them should be no match against that. Just a flying lizard that has an elemental indigestion issue when they get too excited.

For me, I play for the story, I like being a part of a good story and I LOVE being the powerful, unstoppable Hero of the story. There is nothing boring or old about it. If I were to just continually walk into a dungeon and hack-n-slash over and over that would get a bit humdrum but if I know I can do that with no issues then the challenge comes in trying to figure out a new way to bring Lady Death to their door. Every time I get a new shout or spell or weapon I like to try to figure out how to best use it in any situation. Like right now I just picked up the Throw Voice shout. I spent the whole time in the last dungeon using it to rearrange the mobs to pick them off better. It was fun, hilarious and I will probably use the hell out of it until I find something new.

Every tool you get has a purpose, even if it is not obvious at the time you get it. If we are constantly worried about getting blicked every time we walk two feet in any direction then we are never going to get the opportunity to figure out how to use the new tools we get. Typically we stick with what we know will get the job done if we think we are going to die. I do not see the fun in that. It is tedious and gets old really quickly.

Anyway, I know, a bit long-winded but it is nice to see someone else thinks like I do and I had to give you props. ;) Your only true weaknesses should be your lack of imagination in my opinion.

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Johnsen1972 wrote...

 Anyone knows the Thuum MA-LU-KAH?

Down With Ulfric, The Killer Of Kings! Performed By The Two Most Beautiful Bards In Skyrim!  


I really enjoyed that thanks for sharing it.

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Redneck1st wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

 Anyone knows the Thuum MA-LU-KAH?

Down With Ulfric, The Killer Of Kings! Performed By The Two Most Beautiful Bards In Skyrim!  


I really enjoyed that thanks for sharing it.


Yeah, but that Lisette is the most deaf tuned singer in whole Tamriel! Good Talos protect our ears!

Now here's some Bard that doesn't make ugly when singing in pair with Malukah!

TES V - Skyrim - The Bards Talsgar and Malukah sing The Dragonborn comes HD

Modifié par RageGT, 01 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .


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Elhanan wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Nopz, sorry. There's absolutely nothing that can hurt a Powerbuild Sneak/Archer after level 60. I never even used all those Orcish/Dwarven/Elven/Glass/Ebony and Daedric arrows. I've just been collecting and purchasing them and I have hundreds of each.

But since I pickpocket almost all Soldiers in Skyrim, I have some 1,000 Steel arrows and its 10 damage is more than enough, really. I don't like Mods that change gameplay like the crafting one. There's simply no need for it. I love cosmetics mods though.

Now, I can die if I play carelessly or if I forget to Save constantly. (Murphy is an SOB) But with a couple dozen Poisons with 30 secs Paralysis, which I never use btw, I just feel safe and there's nothing but Dragons that can take 3 Arrows from my Bow and stay alive, and I'm talking about plain attack, not sneak attacks!

Always on Master. Never played any other difficulty. Game is just too easy for powergamers like myself and I just love it! Woohoo!  Rajiit kilhaul!


Based on experience, I would offer such quests like Locate the Assassin of Old in Hag's End as a test; ones that strip you of auto-kills and/ or stealth. Take away your ability to hide, retreat, being able to remove a target in a couple of shots, or gain tactical positioning, and one may feel a bit challenged.

If you do not wish to join the DB, simply add Oliva'a Token to your inventory; way I am playing my current DB eliminator. Hearing the guards giving me props for wasting them, or the coven of Witches to remove lycanthropy makes this playthrough highly memorable.
Based on feedback here, I would suggest A Daedra's Best Friend, as it may strip you  the Player of patience.... Image IPB

My first build was not min/max, but seemed quite able to accept most any test; final stats were something like Magic: 350/ Health: 200/ Stamina: 350. he was able to fall back to spells to avoid Friendly Fire.

This current one is less reliant on spells - though I am tempted to dupe a little - and see to other ways for making solutions.


No, no, you don't get it. I have 1700 Armor Rating with Bow, 1900 with Shield/Dagger ... 560 dmg on the Bow. Without my +144% Bow Damage potions. (base damage on dagger is 78 but I have a few Fortify One Handed pots plus its shock+paralyze enchantment. =) I don't need sneak, retreat, positioning... I aim, slow time and target is dead in 2 shots maximum. 1 if I get a Critical hit. And I probably cleared Hag's End already. I always clear all before going for questlines like DB.

Modifié par RageGT, 01 janvier 2012 - 09:09 .


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RageGT wrote...
No, no, you don't get it. I have 1700 Armor Rating with Bow, 1900 with Shield/Dagger ... 560 dmg on the Bow. Without my +144% Bow Damage potions. (base damage on dagger is 78 but I have a few Fortify One Handed pots plus its shock+paralyze enchantment. =) I don't need sneak, retreat, positioning... I aim, slow time and target is dead in 2 shots maximum. 1 if I get a Critical hit. And I probably cleared Hag's End already. I always clear all before going for questlines like DB.

The question is...does having equipment like that make the game too easy?

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Get Magna Carter wrote...

RageGT wrote...
No, no, you don't get it. I have 1700 Armor Rating with Bow, 1900 with Shield/Dagger ... 560 dmg on the Bow. Without my +144% Bow Damage potions. (base damage on dagger is 78 but I have a few Fortify One Handed pots plus its shock+paralyze enchantment. =) I don't need sneak, retreat, positioning... I aim, slow time and target is dead in 2 shots maximum. 1 if I get a Critical hit. And I probably cleared Hag's End already. I always clear all before going for questlines like DB.

The question is...does having equipment like that make the game too easy?


Well, I've worked my cat's tail off to get those. I didn't exploit Smithing and Enchanting fast leveling. I got Smith high enough to craft Elven and when that wasn't good enough, Glass. But always working primarely on the Archery and Sneak. I was level 55 when I finally could enchant my gear. Up to that point I used no enchanted gear at all. It was a pain to survive some of the fights. 

After level 60 and over 100 hours, if it didn't got easier, I would be utterly disappointed.

(PS: forgot to mention 600 Life and 460 Stamina on the previous post =)

Modifié par RageGT, 01 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .


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Johnsen1972 wrote...

The problem is that blacksmithing and enchanting is too easy to level. Its not that it costs you days to max it out. Just buy all iron and leather in whiterun and make iron dagger to max out blacksmithing.


Yeah but thats grinding and is essentially an exploit. If you spend the majority of time questing with downtime between quests spent on crafting they don't level up too fast, especially at the higher levels. Any harder to level and the players who don't grind crafting would find it impossible to max them out.   

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Elhanan wrote...

Based on experience, I would offer such quests like Locate the Assassin of Old in Hag's End as a test; ones that strip you of auto-kills and/ or stealth. Take away your ability to hide, retreat, being able to remove a target in a couple of shots, or gain tactical positioning, and one may feel a bit challenged.

If you do not wish to join the DB, simply add Oliva'a Token to your inventory; way I am playing my current DB eliminator. Hearing the guards giving me props for wasting them, or the coven of Witches to remove lycanthropy makes this playthrough highly memorable.
Based on feedback here, I would suggest A Daedra's Best Friend, as it may strip you  the Player of patience.... Image IPB

My first build was not min/max, but seemed quite able to accept most any test; final stats were something like Magic: 350/ Health: 200/ Stamina: 350. he was able to fall back to spells to avoid Friendly Fire.

This current one is less reliant on spells - though I am tempted to dupe a little - and see to other ways for making solutions.


I think the most challenging situation for any character, expect mages perhaps, is to kill Madanach after level 60, without turning into a werewolf. It would just be impossible for my characters. I tried with both. Can't damage that stupid rags' king at all. But a wolf can... hehe

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Goats in Skyrim are testing an interesting new way of avoiding frost trolls. It seems to be based on the premise that if the goat cannot see an enemy, the enemy will not be able to see the goat. I don't think it's going to work out though.

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And in unrelated news the terrible spate of knee-shootings (and overuse of internet memes) in Skyrim has forced the Whiterun guards to retaliate. They have escalated to shooting bandits in the eye.

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On my second character (of seven, oh yes, I can't stick to just one character) I headed up to the tower north of Whiterun and just south of the Loreius farm. There seems to be an encounter that spawns the first time you get there, where a group of bandits attack the guards. This time I ran around the side of the tower to try and help out and could only watch as the guards annihilated the bandits, including the above. She ran full pelt at one of the guards and when within two steps of him, raised her war axe to attack. I was sure he was in trouble, but I was wrong. The guard calmly lifted his bow, and with un-erring and un-nerving accuracy shot the bandit point-blank in the face. One arrow, one kill.

I'm starting to think the whole line about guards being ex-adventurers who got shot in the knee and were forced to become guards is actually all just a lie cooked up by the city guards. They just say that to people to try and discourage would-be adventurers. I'm sure there's more than a few young fools who gave up on their dreams of adventuring because they didn't like the thought of getting injured and being forced to join the guards and investigate sweet-roll thefts for the rest of their miserable lives.

Been playing a bit of my Argonian character, called Walks-In-Shade, who has just joined the Dark Brotherhood. Since I've seen a few people mention joining it I wondered which of the three prisoners your character killed and the character's reasoning for it. Mine killed the Imperial woman. His reasoning (whether sound or not) was that if the Nord mercenary had enemies they would likely be the sort to attack him directly, the Khajiit was such a braggart that it was possible nobody would require the Dark Brotherhood to kill him because his rep could be a sham, but the woman was just ****y enough to annoy the wrong sort of person. I can imagine her saying something snooty to someone like Maven Black-Briar for example.

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I crafted Aela the Huntress an entirely new suit of legendary Ancient Nord armour, complete with enchantments up the wazoo, and she doesn't want to wear it. The Helm of Yngol also looks like crap on her, since her hair clips through the back.

So much of me wanting her to look like a real Nord woman warrior should. Now she's trotting around in scaled armour. Bah. I might as well have used Ria as companion.



Well what armor the followers wear is based off of the base unaltered level -- if the base level is better than what they start out with then they wear it -- and she starts off with Ancient Nord armor anyway. So it's possible she does have it equipped.

But it would be impossible to tell methinks. The Ancient Nord Armour is different on females then it is on males.

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You know its all kinds of silly that Lydia can solo an ancient Dragon all by herself, but then again it IS Lydia we are talking about.

In other fantasy games dragons as supposed to be scary, yet now I can just summon a peon to do the work for me it seems.
Ah well.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know its all kinds of silly that Lydia can solo an ancient Dragon all by herself, but then again it IS Lydia we are talking about.

In other fantasy games dragons as supposed to be scary, yet now I can just summon a peon to do the work for me it seems.
Ah well.


Keep in mind your followers level with you and use the armor and weapons you provide.

I'm at level 25, playing on Master and i gave Lydia unenchanted Orcish Armor and an unenchanted glass sword. She helps a lot in fights, but she certainly cannot defeat a Blood Dragon (or probably even a regular Dragon) by herself. 

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so the only qualms I have about skyrim is that the dragon fights get repetitive

and the final battle was just sad

anything else to criticize?

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know its all kinds of silly that Lydia can solo an ancient Dragon all by herself, but then again it IS Lydia we are talking about.

In other fantasy games dragons as supposed to be scary, yet now I can just summon a peon to do the work for me it seems.
Ah well.

If you're on PC you need the more powerful dragons mod. I'm on level 55 and yesterday had an epic battle with an ancient dragon that lasted for at least an hour and ranged between halted stream camp and Fort Greymoor encompassing all those giant/mammoth camps in between.

And yes the mammoths were pretty stupid, going after me when there was an ancient dragon strafing them overhead.

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Morroian wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know its all kinds of silly that Lydia can solo an ancient Dragon all by herself, but then again it IS Lydia we are talking about.

In other fantasy games dragons as supposed to be scary, yet now I can just summon a peon to do the work for me it seems.
Ah well.

If you're on PC you need the more powerful dragons mod. I'm on level 55 and yesterday had an epic battle with an ancient dragon that lasted for at least an hour and ranged between halted stream camp and Fort Greymoor encompassing all those giant/mammoth camps in between.

And yes the mammoths were pretty stupid, going after me when there was an ancient dragon strafing them overhead.




Well now will have to admit that this here sounds like a great mod if you ask me. Was hoping that someone would put out a mod making the dragons harder to kill. How about a link for the rest of us folks. pretty please.<G> Image IPB