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[DragonRageGT]

Redneck1st wrote...

virumor wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Finally, at level 20, I got my Impact perk. Poor Dragons can't even breath fire on me anymore, at least the Blood ones. Same for Death Lords. And with Ice Form level 2, it's much better!

I'm glad I've gone all magicka on most of my level ups. Still, she can't get hit or she's history. 240/150 base magicka/health. I'm also glad that I did bought the Adept set, Destruction+100% Regen Robes and +50 magicka Cap. Soooo expensive... Best I found so far was Apprentice's. With Galdur's amulet from Saarthal and a +20 life ring, it goes to 320/170 and it still is low magicka. My self brew regen pots are good!

My first character was a pure mage and I loved playing her, but magic is really very ineffective compared to archery. A mage in Skyrim is not a glass cannon like it should be, but a glass pea shooter.

I was considering playing a pure mage the next time thrugh. But I had watced a video that someone had posted where they ran as a mage asassin.  And after watching it and seeing how it took them 3 or 4 spells or more just to kill a person I decided against it. Because when your asassin you won't to get in make your kill and get out. Not spend the time it takes to cast 4 or 5 spells just to kill one person. I'll have to agree magic doesn't apprear to be as good as it should be in this game.

Now I might try out using some magic in my next play through. Say maybe the restoration school which would probably help and save on the amount of potions for which I use. But as for straight magic I won't go that route.

Pure Mage is definitely the most challenging class to take up in Skyrim. And it's one of the most fun too. Although I really love Two Handers and Archers, they can one shot most anything after a point, as can a dagger/assassin. It is cool too but it gets very repetitive because there's not much variety to experiment. We charge and power strike with a two hander or sneak and shoot an arrow/backstab and that's it. It is really fun during the build up but after level 60 it's just rinse and repeat.

Now, I'm trying a Mage and will go as high as I can in Destruction, Conjuration, Illusion, Alteration, Restoration and Alchemy, primarily. If I have any perks left I might try Enchanting. It's being very fun so far. Many possibilities for many situations. Destruction with Impact and some Fortify potions can do a lot of damage.  The other schools have some nice spells for different situations. I liked having a bunch of mages or thugs attacking each other. hehe

I'm still level 25 and about to go Adept in Destruction so the damage should increase a bit. I also like that I don't kill everything with one hit. Makes it more challenging. =)

[AngryFrozenWater]

I also feel that the stones that boost a given class are not handy at all. I remember that my first character wanted to be a mage and selected the Mage Stone, but turned out to be an archer. That character had enough skill points for its final specializations. My second one had chosen the Thief Stone (or whatever it was called) and went into that direction. Its skills went up faster than I had skill points to invest. It's probably best not to select anything at all.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 janvier 2012 - 01:47 .

[Laser Beam]

Redneck1st wrote...

virumor wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Finally, at level 20, I got my Impact perk. Poor Dragons can't even breath fire on me anymore, at least the Blood ones. Same for Death Lords. And with Ice Form level 2, it's much better!

I'm glad I've gone all magicka on most of my level ups. Still, she can't get hit or she's history. 240/150 base magicka/health. I'm also glad that I did bought the Adept set, Destruction+100% Regen Robes and +50 magicka Cap. Soooo expensive... Best I found so far was Apprentice's. With Galdur's amulet from Saarthal and a +20 life ring, it goes to 320/170 and it still is low magicka. My self brew regen pots are good!

My first character was a pure mage and I loved playing her, but magic is really very ineffective compared to archery. A mage in Skyrim is not a glass cannon like it should be, but a glass pea shooter.

I was considering playing a pure mage the next time thrugh. But I had watced a video that someone had posted where they ran as a mage asassin.  And after watching it and seeing how it took them 3 or 4 spells or more just to kill a person I decided against it. Because when your asassin you won't to get in make your kill and get out. Not spend the time it takes to cast 4 or 5 spells just to kill one person. I'll have to agree magic doesn't apprear to be as good as it should be in this game.

Now I might try out using some magic in my next play through. Say maybe the restoration school which would probably help and save on the amount of potions for which I use. But as for straight magic I won't go that route.

If you're on PC I advise you use one of the many magic mods:

Balanced Magic
Better Magic
Improved Destruction
Magicka Impowered

I have a DB Mage right now that kills in sooo many ways it's wicked (which is why I love magic...the variety). And example....I used frenzy to make Alain Dufont's gang members kill him and then eachother..sweeet deathhh. And then I'll use a shock trap for another contract.

My High Elf; Pure Mage, Arquen - and her dead (damn trolls) dog, Vigilance.

http://cloud.steampo...30AAD238999D6C/

Modifié par Laser Beam, 04 janvier 2012 - 01:52 .

[Yrkoon]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I also feel that the stones that boost a given class are not handy at all. I remember that my first character wanted to be a mage and selected the Mage Stone, but turned out to be an archer. That character had enough skill points for its final specializations. My second one had chosen the Thief Stone (or whatever it was called) and went into that direction. Its skills went up faster than I had skill points to invest. It's probably best not select anything at all.

^Stones-wise, When I start a new character, I usually make a b-line to the Lover Stone, which gives you +15% to ALL your skills... for the reason you mentioned.

However, at some point, you'll probably  still want to change 'star signs', since there's so many really good ones that help your builds in a more Direct manner. The Lord Stone, for example.  (magic resistance AND  physical damage resistance.  Can't beat that.)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 janvier 2012 - 01:48 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Yrkoon wrote...

^Stones-wise, When I start a new character, I usually make a b-line to the Lover Stone, with gives you +15% to ALL your skills... for the reason you mentioned.

However, at some point, you'll probably want to change 'star signs', since there's so many really good ones that help your builds more Directly. The Lord Stone, for example.

I think the global level progress should be boosted as well, but it is not. So I will certainly not do that, because everytime a skill gains a new level it will increase the global level progress with the same amount as if you had no skill boost. And that means you get less skill points than without the boost. Logically this shouldn't happen. It looks like there is some kind of penalty in there.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 janvier 2012 - 02:02 .

[Haplose]

Redneck1st wrote...
I was considering playing a pure mage the next time thrugh. But I had watced a video that someone had posted where they ran as a mage asassin.  And after watching it and seeing how it took them 3 or 4 spells or more just to kill a person I decided against it. Because when your asassin you won't to get in make your kill and get out. Not spend the time it takes to cast 4 or 5 spells just to kill one person. I'll have to agree magic doesn't apprear to be as good as it should be in this game.

Now I might try out using some magic in my next play through. Say maybe the restoration school which would probably help and save on the amount of potions for which I use. But as for straight magic I won't go that route.

For a mage-assasin Illusion is the obvious path. Calm them and then stab them. Should be very powerfull. Eventually you get Invisibility too. I plan to try this out before long... I will have destruction for dragons/bosses to fall back on/have some different kind of fun as well. But you can use a bow with an even better effect, I guess.

[Redneck1st]

Yrkoon wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I also feel that the stones that boost a given class are not handy at all. I remember that my first character wanted to be a mage and selected the Mage Stone, but turned out to be an archer. That character had enough skill points for its final specializations. My second one had chosen the Thief Stone (or whatever it was called) and went into that direction. Its skills went up faster than I had skill points to invest. It's probably best not select anything at all.

^Stones-wise, When I start a new character, I usually make a b-line to the Lover Stone, which gives you +15% to ALL your skills... for the reason you mentioned.

However, at some point, you'll probably  still want to change 'star signs', since there's so many really good ones that help your builds in a more Direct manner. The Lord Stone, for example.  (magic resistance AND  physical damage resistance.  Can't beat that.)

I'm the same way as you when it comes to the stones I head for the Lover stone till I get my character well up there. Another good one is the Steed stone which gives you an extra 100pts carry weight. Which that extra carry weight comes in handy when your looting all that treasure.<G> As the paltry +5 your get for taking stamina does get you very much added to your carry weight.

Now someone here did say the were able to change it to where when they took stamina in gave them an +15 increase to their carry weight. I for one would love to know how they managed that. As they never did say and I can't remember who it was that told me.


@Laserbeam- I do in fact play the game on Pc which I'm glad for as there are quite a few things in my inventory from quests that I need to remove via the conole commands that didn't get removed when I completed the quests. I think I'm at about 15 or so of them.  Hopefully this will soon get corrected. Also there are other things in the game for which I'm hoping they wil fix soon as well. Bards main quest I finished it and it went back to saying that I need ot investigate the bards college. When I do I get a dead end since I already did it. Also fixing the Red Eagle quest I'm so tired of having that one turning up in my journal. I think I've had it like 3 times or so and have it again.

Modifié par Redneck1st, 04 janvier 2012 - 02:10 .

[DragonRageGT]

7,000 for an Expert Robe of Destruction!!! Ouch! but now my Fireballs, Chain Lightinings and ice Storm will be much cheaper too. =)

I never had noticed how tall Lydia is. hehe (does anyone know if gloves and boots count towards the mage armor perk? I mean, it says "bonus if wearing no Armor". I want to know if my elven gloves and mule boots will negate that)

Modifié par RageGT, 04 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[happy_daiz]

Haplose wrote...

For a mage-assasin Illusion is the obvious path. Calm them and then stab them. Should be very powerfull. Eventually you get Invisibility too. I plan to try this out before long... I will have destruction for dragons/bosses to fall back on/have some different kind of fun as well. But you can use a bow with an even better effect, I guess.

For my pure mage, I started every fight with Illusion (Muffle, Frenzy, etc.) and Alteration (for the mage armor). Then, I followed things up with Conjuration and Destruction. Illusion is probably my favorite skill set, as it's pretty funny watching enemies obliterate each other, leaving just one left for my character to blast.

I'm not a big fan of the mage robes, though - one hit, and you're toast. When I go back to play that character, I'll probably have her wear heavy armor. I've been having fun with my warrior Nord Listener/Guild Master in the meantime, and am looking forward to trying out Cicero. Yes, I let him live. I can't help it, I could squeeze the stuffing out of him.

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

Haplose wrote...

For a mage-assasin Illusion is the obvious path. Calm them and then stab them. Should be very powerfull. Eventually you get Invisibility too. I plan to try this out before long... I will have destruction for dragons/bosses to fall back on/have some different kind of fun as well. But you can use a bow with an even better effect, I guess.

For my pure mage, I started every fight with Illusion (Muffle, Frenzy, etc.) and Alteration (for the mage armor). Then, I followed things up with Conjuration and Destruction. Illusion is probably my favorite skill set, as it's pretty funny watching enemies obliterate each other, leaving just one left for my character to blast.

I'm not a big fan of the mage robes, though - one hit, and you're toast. When I go back to play that character, I'll probably have her wear heavy armor. I've been having fun with my warrior Nord Listener/Guild Master in the meantime, and am looking forward to trying out Cicero. Yes, I let him live. I can't help it, I could squeeze the stuffing out of him.

WIll have to admit that I had left Cicero live as well. I had planned on using him for Boethia's<sp> quest but for some reason it wouldn't work with him. When I tried to get him to use the deal that entraps the follower all he would say is yes listener but wouldn't do it. So now i'm stuck with him this play through. Oh well I guess it could be allot worse.<LOL>

Currently I'm the Listener/guild master as well and I'm enjoying it allot. Have been working on the civil war/main quest lines as well. Went with the imperials this time around. Have gotten as far as getting the crown and delivering the letter to the Jarl in Whiterun. Also sprinkled in there I'm doing TG; DB; and Companion quests.

[happy_daiz]

^ I know I'm in the minority, but I  Cicero. He annoyed the crap out of me in my first playthrough, up until the point where I spared him, and heard him later say, "Let's kill someone!!!" for the first time, in his excited tone. He melted my heart like butter.

I just finally got to the point in this playthrough where I can actually take him out with me. I'm curious to see how he is at stealth. Eola isn't shaking out to be all that wonderful. Sometimes she's an arse-kicker, other times, she's on her knees more than she's fighting. *sigh*

Modifié par happy_daiz, 04 janvier 2012 - 03:01 .

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I know I'm in the minority, but I  Cicero. He annoyed the crap out of me in my first playthrough, up until the point where I spared him, and heard him later say, "Let's kill someone!!!" for the first time, in his excited tone. He melted my heart like butter.

I just finally got to the point in this playthrough where I can actually take him out with me. I'm curious to see how he is at stealth. Eola isn't shaking out to be all that wonderful. Sometimes she's an arse-kicker, other times, she's on her knees more than she's fighting. *sigh*

Well now as for Eola I was wondering how she was a follower as I'm currently doing her quest now and have gotten through the first part of it. I have to bring some priest to her now. So I guess we'll see what happens after that. Besides it's the only Daedric quest I've got left to do to get the Oblivion Walker achievement then I'm going after the one for the getting married. That will be two more out of the way.<G> Let me know how cicero is as a follower in regards to sneaking will you please? So far I've found none that are good at sneaking so I usually run solo.

[Giggles_Manically]

Looking at the skills for my mage I think I will keep a shield and play more of a spell shield type build.

Get spell breaker and the elemental resistance perk.
Sure its cheap but I prefer having a good defense in many games over pure offensive abilities.

Which is why I love playing a Sentinel in Mass Effect I guess.

[happy_daiz]

^ Sure thing, Redneck. I'm crossing my fingers that he's an arse-kicker, but I'm not holding my breath.

I actually thought Faendal was the best with stealth, out of the followers I've tried. Mostly, it's because he tends to hang back behind you the whole time. Whether it's from being sneaky, or being scared, who knows. I play on console, so I can't do anything about changing his stats, so I think after a certain point, his effectiveness kinda goes to crap.

Everyone else seems to just barrel into fights (or in front of your lined-up shots), without much thought.

[Yrkoon]

Ok, current playthrough:

1) completed the main quest -Check
2) sided with the stormcloaks and completed the civil war quest line -Check
3) reached level 60 -Check
4) got the Oblivion walker achievement -Check
5) did the Bard's College -Check

I think my character is ready to retire, despite the fact that there are still whole swaths of this game I have yet to do and places I've yet to visit after 2  'full' playthroughs.    But that's my next character's job.  Speaking of which, it's time to sit down and brainstorm what he/she will be.

I'm entertaining the notion of a Fire-themed guy.  A battle mage, maybe -  Who's addicted to fire, like Ignus from Planescape:Torment.    He will exclusively  use fire spells.  He will exclusively  summon Flame Antronochs.  His weapons will be enchanted exclusively with fire.  His armor will be fire resistant.  He will always set  oil spills aflame when he spots them in a dungeon.  His hair will be red, His tattoos and scars will be reddish.  He will only wear jewelery containing red things, like Rubies.  He will use the Firebreath shout as often as he can.

But my whim might change by tomorrow.  Don't know.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 janvier 2012 - 04:06 .

[Addai]

Was someone looking for a copy of The Wolf Queen v. 6? I got a quest from Urag to find one, in the Bleakwind Basin giant camp.

[fightright2]

happy_daiz wrote...


For my pure mage, I started every fight with Illusion (Muffle, Frenzy, etc.) and Alteration (for the mage armor). Then, I followed things up with Conjuration and Destruction. Illusion is probably my favorite skill set, as it's pretty funny watching enemies obliterate each other, leaving just one left for my character to blast.

I'm not a big fan of the mage robes, though - one hit, and you're toast. When I go back to play that character, I'll probably have her wear heavy armor. I've been having fun with my warrior Nord Listener/Guild Master in the meantime, and am looking forward to trying out Cicero. Yes, I let him live. I can't help it, I could squeeze the stuffing out of him.

Sounds like my mage character, only I love to use the bow. I will often shoot and creep back a bit to stay hidden then come back, rinse and repeat. And as a backup, I lay out a magic rune trap if I fail to stay hidden and they follow me. And that's when I whip out calm on any enemies that are close. When they are around each other, away from me, that's when I use the frenzy then hide and watch.

But before I shoot with the bow, I don muffle and ironflesh beforehand. And anything else that adds to stealth and archery.

I learned my lesson to not use frenzy on an enemy coming towards me. That they have to be away from you and near their own to be of any use.

But as for the robes. I find it safer to have light armor instead of the robes. Only when I have exhausted everything else that I am in dire need of magicka regen will I put it on and Speedy Gonzales it to a safe distance after I have used ice form to give me time. 

But fortunately, I make enough poisons of slow, paralysis and hlth damage helps a lot. Well, that and my atronauchs.

But as soon as I am recovered with magicka, I switch back to my light armor.

I hardly ever bring a companion. On this playthrough, I want to try it on my own as much as I can. Perhaps, in my next playthrogh will I get into experimenting with them.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Cool idea, Yrkoon. If you make him a dunmer then he'll be 50% fire resistant as well. They can also have red eyes.

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ Sure thing, Redneck. I'm crossing my fingers that he's an arse-kicker, but I'm not holding my breath.

I actually thought Faendal was the best with stealth, out of the followers I've tried. Mostly, it's because he tends to hang back behind you the whole time. Whether it's from being sneaky, or being scared, who knows. I play on console, so I can't do anything about changing his stats, so I think after a certain point, his effectiveness kinda goes to crap.

Everyone else seems to just barrel into fights (or in front of your lined-up shots), without much thought.

Well now I'll be looking forward to hearing what you've got to say about Cicero. But I know what you mean about the others. I can't count the number of reloads for which I've had to do in the course of 2 playthroughs for which one of my followers ran right in front of me when I was either getting ready to fire or just as I fired my bow and took the full blunt of it. And let me tell you they done live to fight another battle.  not when you do 400pts of damage times 3 for sneaking plus around 45 or so pts of fire damage. So for the most part I tend to play it safe and go solo other than my faithful horse Shadowmere. I wish that there was a way for them to do it so that the followers don't run right in front of you.

Now I didn't know that you could change your NPC stats to be honest with you there. And as for me I'm using the pc to play the game as opposed to the console. So I can use the console commands.

[Redneck1st]

Yrkoon wrote...

Ok, current playthrough:

1) completed the main quest -Check
2) sided with the stormcloaks and completed the civil war quest line -Check
3) reached level 60 -Check
4) got the Oblivion walker achievement -Check
5) did the Bard's College -Check

I think my character is ready to retire, despite the fact that there are still whole swaths of this game I have yet to do and places I've yet to visit after 2  'full' playthroughs.    But that's my next character's job.  Speaking of which, it's time to sit down and brainstorm what he/she will be.

I'm entertaining the notion of a Fire-themed guy.  A battle mage, maybe -  Who's addicted to fire, like Ignus from Planescape:Torment.    He will exclusevely  use fire spells.  He will exclusivly  summon Flame Antronochs.  His weapons will be enchanted exclusevely with fire.  His armor will be fire resistant.  He will always set  oil spills aflame when he spots them in a dungeon.  His Hair will be red, His tattoos and scars will be reddish.  He will only wear jewelery containing red things, like Rubies.  He will use the Firebreath shout as often as he can.

But my whim might change by tomorrow.  Don't know.

Now I thought about that is as well and like Frozen said if you make him a Dunmer he'll have red eyes, you get Shadowmere he's also got red eyes and then a full set of Daedric armor which has red and black you'll be set to go on a fire spree of the ages.

I think I'll try that there as I was trying to figure out what my next character might be. But current'y have the CW and the Main quest lines to finish up.

[Redneck1st]

Now I'm curious as to whether any of the rest of you are getting the error for not being able to connect to the steam system? I was just playing it a little bit ago and the game froze up on me and had to re-boot the puter and now I can't connect to steam for some reason.

[AventuroLegendary]

I'm wondering what happened to my dog. A dog came up to me, I patted it, told it to go away, then "Your dog is returning to your home".

[GnusmasTHX]

virumor wrote...

RageGT wrote...

Finally, at level 20, I got my Impact perk. Poor Dragons can't even breath fire on me anymore, at least the Blood ones. Same for Death Lords. And with Ice Form level 2, it's much better!

I'm glad I've gone all magicka on most of my level ups. Still, she can't get hit or she's history. 240/150 base magicka/health. I'm also glad that I did bought the Adept set, Destruction+100% Regen Robes and +50 magicka Cap. Soooo expensive... Best I found so far was Apprentice's. With Galdur's amulet from Saarthal and a +20 life ring, it goes to 320/170 and it still is low magicka. My self brew regen pots are good!

My first character was a pure mage and I loved playing her, but magic is really very ineffective compared to archery. A mage in Skyrim is not a glass cannon like it should be, but a glass pea shooter.

Nothing is as effecting as Archery except Sneaking and Archery.

[Redneck1st]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

I'm wondering what happened to my dog. A dog came up to me, I patted it, told it to go away, then "Your dog is returning to your home".

I don't think dogs like me in this game as the only dog for which I had for a short time is the one for doing Viles quest.

And right now I can't seem to be able to play the game as it seems that the Steam system is down. I can access my account and such and I'm logged on but all I get is a "No connection"  at the bottom of the steam screen and it won't load the game. This sux.

[happy_daiz]

Redneck1st wrote...

Now I didn't know that you could change your NPC stats to be honest with you there. And as for me I'm using the pc to play the game as opposed to the console. So I can use the console commands.

Oops, I probably didn't word that right. I was thinking that a follower would level up with you, but that there was a cap, and that you had to dismiss and re-hire them (and do something in the PC console) to update them to your level. Maybe I'm just not understanding it completely.

I ran across this document that charts leveling and stats for each follower, and now I'm even more confused, actually. According to this, J'Zargo has the highest max level of any of the followers (listed twice, but one of them is 81). Am I seeing things?

Also according to that chart, Cicero has the highest sneak skill capacity (100).

Modifié par happy_daiz, 04 janvier 2012 - 04:45 .