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[Gotholhorakh]

Elhanan wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Indeed.  like  Assassinating the Emperor,  ending a civil war (can't do that in DA2!), Killing  dragons, Dealing with Daedric Gods, recovering world-shaping ancient documents, traveling to the afterlife  and saving it from an evil menace...

Epic Skyrim Handy man  is Epic.

Correct; in DA2, one starts the Civil War, does battle with demons and reigning officials, opposes the takeover from a foreign leader, slays dragons, deals with demonic demi-gods, recovers world shaping artifacts, travels from a war torn nation to a large city and unleashes an evil menace....

Still Epic....

Hrm. I've always loved BioWare's writing and thought it's what makes their RPGs kind of the cream of the crop, certainly when compared to TES games which had other priorities - but at the risk of sounding horrible I thought DA2's story was certainly not final draft material - the story lacked about 40% of the fleshing out needed, even in the main arc, for my liking.

That said, TES is also not about establishing a strong narrative that follows the protagonist's every thought and deed, and never has been. It is about backstory and lore, and about encouraging and nurturing whatever the player's  own character and narrative might be.

It does actually offer stronger RP possibilities in the form it takes in Skyrim, it is possible to be the character. The world is never speaking to the actor with the English or American accent who always says the same line exactly the same way from one playthrough to the next however you wanted to play it. The world, for all of its faults and its NPC shallowness, is earnestly speaking to you.

You are free to converse with them and take their quests, tab out and ignore them, put a bucket on their head and empty their house, lure them somewhere and fus ro dah them down a hole or whatever - so it makes sense for you to form your own attitudes to the people and creatures you meet rather than sit back and wait for an actor to play out the rigidly defined lines of the predetermined character and narrative on your behalf.

I'm not saying that one is inherently better than the other, I like both and have until now preferred the way BioWare does it, but you have to admit that because the hands-off backstory and world arcs serve a purpose in TES, (and that purpose is your freedom as a player and a PC), it's not really fair to criticise the writing style for having weaker or less coherent dialogue and "PC-specific" bits of the story.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:30 .

[happy_daiz]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

*snip*

I just love the way you can go off on your own little (or immense) missions - I've been hunting down and killing deathlords, which is great fun - except Lydia seems to have been quite badly injured and is crawling around behind me like Gollum. I sense a disturbance in the force, due to an impending reload.

This happens with pretty much every follower I've had at one point or another. If you just give them a friendly tap with a bow or something (as non-lethal as you can), they'll snap out of it. Sometimes I give them a little dose of flames.

Not sure why, but they need a little friendly push from time to time.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:35 .

[Gotholhorakh]

happy_daiz wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

*snip*

I just love the way you can go off on your own little (or immense) missions - I've been hunting down and killing deathlords, which is great fun - except Lydia seems to have been quite badly injured and is crawling around behind me like Gollum. I sense a disturbance in the force, due to an impending reload.

This happens with pretty much every follower I've had at one point or another. If you just give them a friendly tap with a bow or something (as non-lethal as you can), they'll snap out of it. Sometimes I give them a little dose of flames.

Not sure why, but they need a little friendly push from time to time.

Haha, so in a nutshell, you recommend beating your followers? You're mean (but thanks, because I'll do it).

[Redneck1st]

RageGT wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

That is why I like games like Oblivion and Skyrim there is so much to do and explore that on one or two playthroughs its hard to explore and cover everything that there is to cover. Which makes the next play through a little more interesting because you got places that you've yet to explore.

True but, how on Earth do we remember which places we already explored and which we didn't? And how we make sure to discover the latter? =) Other than Questlines, MQ and some fixed location Quests and Miscellaneous, I mean.

Locations don't show on the map until we discover them. Some we didn't discover in previous runs, some we did. Some we may never will, without a playthrough guide of some sort and many refuse to use those, like me. Even some major and miscellaneous quests change their target location due to Radiant AI, which is cool.

This is my first char's World Map at hour 150. I've recreated him because I wanted to improve his built but also because the map made me dizzy and despaired! Some of those locations I had cleared, some I had not. Some I never found again! hahaha

TES V - Skyrim - Hour 150 HD

Believe me my friend I know exactly what you are saying. Heck this play through I've found over 300+ locations and I don't think I've hit a third of them yet in this play through. And I know between both play throughs I might have hit 1/2 of them maybe a little more.  Thats why I so much like to play it because you never know what you'll find in the game.

I'm currently working on the MQ and the CW sided with the Imperials. I think the next time I might run through as a Battle mage not sure yet. As I've not decided on whether to run a Nord or a high elf. But will have to admit that I'm having lots of fun.. Yet to find a game for which gives you this much game play for you money.

BTW did you see the earlier post for the DLC which allows you to use your real voice for using shouts and calling your horse? I thought it looked cool and think I might try it out.

Modifié par Redneck1st, 06 janvier 2012 - 02:42 .

[Busy Jackalope]

Oh wow, just finished reading through the last few hundred pages of this thread..Learned lots of interesting stuff.
That said, is it just me or is difficulties broken? I really can't tell much of a difference between Adept and Master on any playthrough.

[Giggles_Manically]

You know I am surprised how well my Spell Shield build is working really.
Pimp slappin someone then roasting them is very fun.

Its fun because unlike a warrior I can switch to whatever I need, and it has no weight.
Mage? Shock spells.
Warriors? Frost
Then fire is my catch all I use when I need a weapon.

Its fun that at level 5 I have 210 magic points, which is way more then my main build.
However is it true when I hear people say that using healing spells actually damages undead? Or are people just yanking my leg?



My Altmer always looks so frightened.

[Redneck1st]

Busy Jackalope wrote...

Oh wow, just finished reading through the last few hundred pages of this thread..Learned lots of interesting stuff.
That said, is it just me or is difficulties broken? I really can't tell much of a difference between Adept and Master on any playthrough.

Well now will have to admt that after reading through all those pages it must have taken you a bit of time.<LOL> I would have to tend to agree with you on the difficulties being broken. As I play on the Master setting and always have since I got the game on 11/11/11

[Redneck1st]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

You know I am surprised how well my Spell Shield build is working really.
Pimp slappin someone then roasting them is very fun.

Its fun because unlike a warrior I can switch to whatever I need, and it has no weight.
Mage? Shock spells.
Warriors? Frost
Then fire is my catch all I use when I need a weapon.

Its fun that at level 5 I have 210 magic points, which is way more then my main build.
However is it true when I hear people say that using healing spells actually damages undead? Or are people just yanking my leg?



My Altmer always looks so frightened.

Well now there is something for which I've not tried playing is a Spell Shield might have to try that one out. And here I was just trying to think what my next build might be. As for the fact of healing spells affecting undead not sure as I've never tried it. You might want to experiment with that on your own and see what happens. In 2 playthroughs I think I've used maybe a 1/2 dozen or so spells.<LOL>

[happy_daiz]

Redneck1st wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I know I'm in the minority, but I  Cicero. He annoyed the crap out of me in my first playthrough, up until the point where I spared him, and heard him later say, "Let's kill someone!!!" for the first time, in his excited tone. He melted my heart like butter.

I just finally got to the point in this playthrough where I can actually take him out with me. I'm curious to see how he is at stealth. Eola isn't shaking out to be all that wonderful. Sometimes she's an arse-kicker, other times, she's on her knees more than she's fighting. *sigh*

Well now as for Eola I was wondering how she was a follower as I'm currently doing her quest now and have gotten through the first part of it. I have to bring some priest to her now. So I guess we'll see what happens after that. Besides it's the only Daedric quest I've got left to do to get the Oblivion Walker achievement then I'm going after the one for the getting married. That will be two more out of the way.<G> Let me know how cicero is as a follower in regards to sneaking will you please? So far I've found none that are good at sneaking so I usually run solo.

Redneck, I used Cicero as a follower for several hours last night, and have some mixed feelings about him, although generally positive.

First, he follows way too close. He's like the human version of Barbas, with the moving animations, and if you're ever worried about falling off a cliff, don't take Cicero. I can't tell you how many times he got up in my grill, and I had to jump over him to get out of a corner he'd shoved me into. Very annoying in Dwemer ruins.

He's quite competent in combat, though. His sneak skill is way better than mine, for sure, and he did a good job of hanging back until my character went in for the kill. He does get in the way quite frequently, and this was an issue last night, because I was using Marked for Death quite a lot (love that shout!). He spent some time on his knees. If I played without shouting, he was fine. He's a great archer, and from what I can tell, really, really likes Ebony weapons, even if they have a lower damage rating than other weapons I give him.

It was an absolute joy wandering around Skyrim with Cicero, though. His random dialogue was hilarious, and there is a surprising amount of it. He says something different in each major city, and has other stuff he says or does elsewhere.

For instance, if you are idle too long, he starts dancing. Sometimes he whistles. Sometimes he sings, and the lyrics to his songs are all killing-related and funny.

While in Riften, he comments about how he loves Riften, because of all of the cutthroats and danger (I can't remember the exact quote). When we entered the Thieves Guild, he said something like, "I've never understood thieves; why would you steal from people before you kill them?"

In Windhelm, he said something like, "I've heard of the Butcher. He has an interesting sword technique - stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then stab, stab, stab, stab, stab." And of course, he tells bits of jokes, which are pretty funny: "that's not a horker, that's my wife!"

Despite his Barbas-ness, which I would consider to be his only flaw, per se, I had a great time running around with him. I was in stitches, laughing pretty much the entire time. I can't tell you how many times I ran upstairs to tell my husband about another crazy thing he did (Cicero has a saying about Cicero being crazy, too - in third person, of course).

Long story short, Cicero is my new favorite companion.

Edit: Oh, I forgot one thing. He will actually use health pots, whereas none of the other followers I've used ever did; they always just sat in their inventory.

Oh, and I plan to marry this character (a Nord) to Scouts-Many-Marshes. He is probably the most romantic male marriageable NPC in Skyrim, and says the sweetest things. Aww.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:15 .

[Giggles_Manically]

@Redneck:

If you plan on playing a spell shield just be aware that you have to decide on a school of magic to cut out.
Alteration I am not focusing on at all so the only skills I am focusing on for a while is:
Destruction: For my main combat skill
Block: To counter melee foes and to eventually get Spell Breaker to counter mages
Restoration: Mainly to heal myself but also to RP a healer

Also working on some smithing and enchanting as I go to upgrade some gear.

Mainly I RP that my Altmer is a bit of a coward and likes to have something to hide behind.
Like Lydia really who he keeps healed.

It is kind of fun to play a guy who spends most of a fight desperately back peddling for his life.

Skyrim gets major bonus points for making early game Mage a viable play style.

[happy_daiz]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
Not sure why, but they need a little friendly push from time to time.

Haha, so in a nutshell, you recommend beating your followers? You're mean (but thanks, because I'll do it).

I am kind of mean, yes.  Actually, someone gave me that same advice a while back in this thread, and it really does work.

[Busy Jackalope]

Redneck1st wrote...



Well now will have to admt that after reading through all those pages it must have taken you a bit of time.<LOL> I would have to tend to agree with you on the difficulties being broken. As I play on the Master setting and always have since I got the game on 11/11/11

Indeed~ It gave me that weird feeling, You know the one where you get to the point where ya feel like you know everyone through reading through all their posts~ Thenyou remember that you never actually spoke to them so they don't know you.
Or is it just me who gets like that...
In any case, thanks! I was kind of worried since watching Videos on Youtube, Skyrim for PC on Master seemed so difficult starting out....But on my 360 it was so easy~
Good to know its just not me.

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I know I'm in the minority, but I  Cicero. He annoyed the crap out of me in my first playthrough, up until the point where I spared him, and heard him later say, "Let's kill someone!!!" for the first time, in his excited tone. He melted my heart like butter.

I just finally got to the point in this playthrough where I can actually take him out with me. I'm curious to see how he is at stealth. Eola isn't shaking out to be all that wonderful. Sometimes she's an arse-kicker, other times, she's on her knees more than she's fighting. *sigh*

Well now as for Eola I was wondering how she was a follower as I'm currently doing her quest now and have gotten through the first part of it. I have to bring some priest to her now. So I guess we'll see what happens after that. Besides it's the only Daedric quest I've got left to do to get the Oblivion Walker achievement then I'm going after the one for the getting married. That will be two more out of the way.<G> Let me know how cicero is as a follower in regards to sneaking will you please? So far I've found none that are good at sneaking so I usually run solo.

Redneck, I used Cicero as a follower for several hours last night, and have some mixed feelings about him, although generally positive.

First, he follows way, too close. He's like the human version of Barbas, with the moving animations, and if you're ever worried about falling off a cliff, don't take Cicero. I can't tell you how many times he got up in my grill, and I had to jump over him to get out of a corner he'd shoved me into. Very annoying in Dwemer ruins.

He's quite competent in combat, though. His sneak skill is way better than mine, for sure, and he did a good job of hanging back until my character went in for the kill. He does get in the way quite frequently, and this was an issue last night, because I was using Marked for Death quite a lot (love that shout!). He spent some time on his knees. If I played without shouting, he was fine. He's a great archer, and from what I can tell, really, really likes Ebony weapons, even if they have a lower damage rating than other weapons I give him.

It was an absolute joy wandering around Skyrim with Cicero, though. His random dialogue was hilarious, and there is a surprising amount of it. He says something different in each major city, and has other stuff he says or does elsewhere.

For instance, if you are idle too long, he starts dancing. Sometimes he whistles. Sometimes he sings, and the lyrics to his songs are all killing-related and funny.

While in Riften, he comments about how he loves Riften, because of all of the cutthroats and danger (I can't remember the exact quote). When we entered the Thieves Guild, he said something like, "I've never understood thieves; why would you steal from people before you kill them?"

In Windhelm, he said something like, "I've heard of the Butcher. He has an interesting sword technique - stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, stab...and then stab, stab, stab, stab, stab." And of course, he tells bits of jokes, which are pretty funny: "that's not a horker, that's my wife!"

Despite his Barbas-ness, which I would consider to be his only flaw, per se, I had a great time running around with him. I was in stitches, laughing pretty much the entire time. I can't tell you how many times I ran upstairs to tell my husband about another crazy thing he did (Cicero has a saying about Cicero being crazy, too - in third person, of course).

Long story short, Cicero is my new favorite companion.

Edit: Oh, I forgot one thing. He will actually use health pots, whereas none of the other followers I've used ever did; they always just sat in their inventory.

Oh, and I plan to marry this character to Scouts-Many-Marshes. He is probably the most romantic male marriageable NPC in Skyrim, and says the sweetest things. Aww.

Well now looks like I might be giving Cicero a try and taking him along for awhile as he sounds like a great character. Of course he push me off a mt I know what spell I'm using on him and he'll be visiting the Night Mother real quick.<LOL> 

If I might ask what is your sneak currently? As mine is maxed out at 100. I love sneaking into Foresworn and bandit camps and slicing thier fthroats. It just looks so cool to do that there.



Now as far as Scouts-Many-Marshes the name rings a bell. I think I've got a quest for one of my guilds to do involving him pending right now in my journal. Are you sure that he's one that can be married?

Thanks for giving me the run down on Cecero though I really appreciate it and when I return to speak with the night mother I think I'll take him along with me.

[Yrkoon]

Scouts-Many-Marshes.... never heard of him. He's an Argonian no doubt. 

And just  the thought of a person marrying a lizard cracks me up

Modifié par Yrkoon, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:22 .

[Redneck1st]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

@Redneck:

If you plan on playing a spell shield just be aware that you have to decide on a school of magic to cut out.
Alteration I am not focusing on at all so the only skills I am focusing on for a while is:
Destruction: For my main combat skill
Block: To counter melee foes and to eventually get Spell Breaker to counter mages
Restoration: Mainly to heal myself but also to RP a healer

Also working on some smithing and enchanting as I go to upgrade some gear.

Mainly I RP that my Altmer is a bit of a coward and likes to have something to hide behind.
Like Lydia really who he keeps healed.

It is kind of fun to play a guy who spends most of a fight desperately back peddling for his life.

Skyrim gets major bonus points for making early game Mage a viable play style.

Well now I'll have to look more into it as I'm not one for using spells but I've considered it. As I want to play something for which is different I think. If nothing else I might try adding some spell use to my next play through and see how things go with that there before I go with a full mage type of play through/.

[Redneck1st]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

*snip*

I just love the way you can go off on your own little (or immense) missions - I've been hunting down and killing deathlords, which is great fun - except Lydia seems to have been quite badly injured and is crawling around behind me like Gollum. I sense a disturbance in the force, due to an impending reload.

This happens with pretty much every follower I've had at one point or another. If you just give them a friendly tap with a bow or something (as non-lethal as you can), they'll snap out of it. Sometimes I give them a little dose of flames.

Not sure why, but they need a little friendly push from time to time.  Heck and some of them might even like it and want more.

Haha, so in a nutshell, you recommend beating your followers? You're mean (but thanks, because I'll do it).

[Redneck1st]

Yrkoon wrote...

Scouts-Many-Marshes.... never heard of him. He's an Argonian no doubt. 

And just  the thought of a person marrying a lizard cracks me up

I agree but how do you know she's not running an Argonian herself after all she never did say.

[happy_daiz]

Redneck1st wrote...
Well now looks like I might be giving Cicero a try and taking him along for awhile as he sounds like a great character. Of course he push me off a mt I know what spell I'm using on him and he'll be visiting the Night Mother real quick.<LOL> 

If I might ask what is your sneak currently? As mine is maxed out at 100. I love sneaking into Foresworn and bandit camps and slicing thier fthroats. It just looks so cool to do that there.



Now as far as Scouts-Many-Marshes the name rings a bell. I think I've got a quest for one of my guilds to do involving him pending right now in my journal. Are you sure that he's one that can be married?

Thanks for giving me the run down on Cecero though I really appreciate it and when I return to speak with the night mother I think I'll take him along with me.

Cool, I hope you have as much fun with him as I have been. I'm a little worried about getting tired of him chatting all the time (kind of like I did with Mjoll), but for now, it's a laugh-fest.

My sneak is pathetic in this playthrough - right around 60 atm. Speaking of Forsworn, Cicero has a comment about them (and dwarves) as well.

Scouts-Many-Marshes works on the Windhelm docks, and lives in that Argonian Assemblage. He's not the cutest NPC in the world, I mean...he's a lizard! but in a way, it's fitting for my character to marry an Argonian...because my husband IRL is playing an Argonian.


To answer your question, he is marriageable, as he's commented on my Amulet of Mara. I wonder if you're thinking of Deekus, outside of Dawnstar (for the DB)? Or maybe Derkeethus, from Darkwater Crossing? Scouts-Many-Marshes does have a personal quest in Windhelm; I believe to talk to Tojborn Shatter-Shield.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:42 .

[happy_daiz]

Redneck1st wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Scouts-Many-Marshes.... never heard of him. He's an Argonian no doubt. 

And just  the thought of a person marrying a lizard cracks me up

I agree but how do you know she's not running an Argonian herself after all she never did say.

This character is a female Nord warrior.

[Redneck1st]

Busy Jackalope wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...



Well now will have to admt that after reading through all those pages it must have taken you a bit of time.<LOL> I would have to tend to agree with you on the difficulties being broken. As I play on the Master setting and always have since I got the game on 11/11/11

Indeed~ It gave me that weird feeling, You know the one where you get to the point where ya feel like you know everyone through reading through all their posts~ Thenyou remember that you never actually spoke to them so they don't know you.
Or is it just me who gets like that...
In any case, thanks! I was kind of worried since watching Videos on Youtube, Skyrim for PC on Master seemed so difficult starting out....But on my 360 it was so easy~
Good to know its just not me.

I know that feelling well especially with the time for which I've spent on the board here and on the steam link chatting with folks. Like Naughty99.<G>

Don't know what the game is like on the console as I don't use them nor do I own one. I play games on my computer and I'm glad I do. As it looks like there are some great mods being put out for the game for which you can't use with a console version.  And know it's not just you. I thought that the Master should have been allot harder than what it is.

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Scouts-Many-Marshes.... never heard of him. He's an Argonian no doubt. 

And just  the thought of a person marrying a lizard cracks me up

I agree but how do you know she's not running an Argonian herself after all she never did say.

This character is a female Nord warrior.

A Nord warrior marrying an Argonian? Well now thats different if I do say so. one question though ;What will the neighbors think?!

[happy_daiz]

Redneck1st wrote...

A Nord warrior marrying an Argonian? Well now thats different if I do say so. one question though ;What will the neighbors think?!

Once I buy Hjerim, they'll be aghast at an Argonian living inside Windhelm's city gates! Let them talk!

I'm going against the grain in another way in this playthrough, as well. Let's just say that Mr. Stormcloak will not be high king, and the Dunmer and Argonians might have a better lot in life in Windhelm very soon.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:41 .

[Yrkoon]

happy_daiz wrote...
 it's fitting for my character to marry an Argonian...because my husband IRL is playing an Argonian.

Aah, playing an Argonian.  For a second there I thought you were  gonna say that he IS an Argonian.  lol

On a related note,   I had a pet Iguana in college.  Found the  mini-beast in my parents Garage one day.  Decided to run out to the pet store and buy an aquarium  to hold him and some supplies.  Kept him for a few months, then he died.

Iguanas are sorta like Argonians.  I'd never marry one though.  Because that would be silly.

[happy_daiz]

^ Yes, my husband is an Argonian.

My aunt had a pet iguana for several years, and it got to be bigger than a cat, not counting its tail. He used to perch on her shoulder, for hours at a time. Crazy.

We went to Mexico a couple of years in a row (Riviera Maya, near Tulum), and there were iguanas everywhere. And monkeys. And newts. And coati, which are my personal favorite. We called them "badger monkeys" until we figured out what they were.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 janvier 2012 - 03:46 .

[Redneck1st]

happy_daiz wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

A Nord warrior marrying an Argonian? Well now thats different if I do say so. one question though ;What will the neighbors think?!

Once I buy Hjerim, they'll be aghast at an Argonian living inside Windhelm's city gates! Let them talk!

I'm going against the grain in another way in this playthrough, as well. Let's just say that Mr. Stormcloak will not be high king, and the Dunmer and Argonians might have a better lot in life in Windhelm very soon.

Your really going against the grain in more ways than one then aren't you? Marrying an Argonian, moving into Windhelm as well as for having joined the Imperials. The neighbors are really going to have some things to talk about thier new neighbor now aren't they.<LOL>