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Those city battles in Skyrim sure are epic. Fighting respawning groups of five pathetically weak soldiers ten times. Bethesda never heard of Dynasty Warriors? Console limitations are not, and have never been, an excuse.

Their sorry excuse for an updated engine isn't able to hold more than twenty people on screen at the same time.

Come to think of it, even Oblivion did it better in the battle of Bruma and Imperial City, where unlimited Daedra would actually spawn if you dawdled too long.

Modifié par virumor, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:17 .


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Question: Which race do you guys think (Mods not included) has the most attractive females? I keep rolling breton since I had a nice one I liked in Oblivion, but for the life of me, I can't get any non fugly looking ones in Skyrim.

Edit: Referring to things that can be made in character creation.

Modifié par Busy Jackalope, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:42 .


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Nord, followed by Orc? Borgakh, Aela and Ysolda are the only pretty NPCs in the game.

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Wow, my mage was repeatedly swallowed in whole by an Elder Dragon yesterday. With a full health bar! It's immensly fun to play such a squishy character for a change. You kill them in 1 hit or they kill you - usually also very fast. Keeps the adrenaline pumping!

Though I just got invisibility and Shadow Warrior is not that far away either, so this might change things a bit.

I also just got my shiny new Glass Armor, double enchanted, and I'm loving it's look. Only wish one could learn to transfer the overpowered Shrouded Gauntlet enchantment onto unenchanted Gauntlets. Shrouded Gauntlets don't really look good worn together with the Glass set. But I really need the huge damage boost they bring, at least for now, when I still have 0 perks in 1-handed.

Oh, and to the people who write they are filthy rich... how do you do that? I mean the trainer costs at 2k+ a pop, x5 per level are killing me (actually I can very rarely afford trainings, so most opporunities go to waste). I enchant tons of self-made Iron daggers, even started playing with potions, looking to create the most expensive ones. But it's all change, compared with the needs. I didn't even buy any houses. I understand that you don't need to use trainers... but some skills level very little otherwise, at least with my playstyle. Destruction in particular is a real pain to level. And I want these Expert and eventually even Master spells. Light Armor also doesn't raise a lot, seeing how little I get hit. One handed doesn't increase much as well, considering that it usually takes only one swing to kill.

Perhaps I need to start with the Thieves Guild quests, maybe they will finally earn me some gold...

Modifié par Haplose, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .


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It just takes time.  Eventually, you won't be able to spend money on trainers because your skills will  be higher than their teaching abilities.

Other than that....  Looting.  Don't undestimate how much money you can make by  simply selling non-enchanted stuff that you pick up from enemies you kill.    Orcish armor and weapons are worth decent gold,  as is  plain dwarven and glass gear.  Once you get up to  30ish level, draugrs start dropping ebony weapons.  Loot it all.  Then sell it all.  And in the process, you'll notice your speech skills are improving faster.  Now take a look at the speech skill tree.  There are multiple ways to not only get better prices for your stuff, but to also increase how much money a merchant has.

-Get married.  Your spouse opens up a shop and you'll get 100 gold per day from it.  This adds up.  I  once went 2 game weeks without  checking up on my spouse.  Then when I returned and asked "has the store made any money?"  She said "yes.  here"  and handed me 1400 gold.

-make potions.  It's a profitable venture by design.  You can simply walk into an alchemist shop, buy all their ridiculously cheap  ingredients, then  turn those ingredients into potions, then sell those potions for  about 500 times more gold than you spent on the ingredients.  Do this every day and you'll be rich in 3 weeks.

-You mentioned the thieves guild.  but  there's also the  Dark Brotherhood.  They pay huge coin  for completed contracts.  And one of those jobs is worth 20,000 gold.

-Mine stuff.  There are ebony mines and gold mines.  Bleed them dry, turn the ore into ingots, then either sell those ingots or make stuff with those ingots.  You'd be  surprized  at how much a merchant will pay for a jeweled gold necklace or ring.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:37 .


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virumor wrote...

Nord, followed by Orc? Borgakh, Aela and Ysolda are the only pretty NPCs in the game.


Mjoll should be in there as well ;P

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Yrkoon wrote...

It just takes time.  Eventually, you won't be able to spend money on trainers because your skills will  be higher than their teaching abilities.

Other than that....  Looting.  Don't undestimate how much money you can make by  simply selling non-enchanted stuff that you pick up from enemies you kill.    Orcish armor and weapons are worth decent gold,  as is  plain dwarven and glass gear.  Once you get up to  30ish level, draugrs start dropping ebony weapons.  Loot it all.  Then sell it all.  And in the process, you'll notice your speech skills are improving faster.  Now take a look at the speech skill tree.  There are multiple ways to not only get better prices for your stuff, but to also increase how much money a merchant has.

-Get married.  Your spouse opens up a shop and you'll get 100 gold per day from it.  This adds up.  I  once went 2 game weeks without  checking up on my spouse.  Then when I returned and asked "has the store made any money?"  She said "yes.  here"  and handed me 1400 gold.

-make potions.  It's a profitable venture by design.  You can simply walk into an alchemist shop, buy all their ridiculously cheap  ingredients, then  turn those ingredients into potions, then sell those potions for  about 1000 times more gold than you spent on the ingredients.  Do this every day and you'll be rich in 3 weeks.

-You mentioned the thieves guild.  but  there's also the  Dark Brotherhood.  They pay huge coin  for completed contracts.  And one of those jobs is worth 20,000 gold.

-Mine stuff.  There are ebony mines and gold mines.  Bleed them dry, turn the ore into ingots, then either sell those ingots or make stuff with those ingots.  You'd be  surprized  at how much a merchant will pay for a jeweled gold necklace or ring.


Thank you very much for all your good advice. I'm level 40 now, btw. All good methods I guess... the only downside is that most of them (and looting/clearing mines in particular) will get me new levels faster than afford me to use trainings on current ones :) 
And while 20.000 gold sounds great... it probably won't be enough for 2 levels worth of training sessions :devil:

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One more tip, although this is more of an exploit than a tip. If your trainers happen to also be recruitable companions, your training sessions with them are free. Simply pay them to train you, then go into their inventory and get your money back.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:03 .


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Hm, yes, heard of that. But I don't think I'll be using this one.

As far as exploiting the system goes, it's enough that I stack some enchanted items and a pot for Smithing and use together 3 pieces of Destruction cost reducing gear (+2 for Illusion).

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Huh, you know, rolling a nord never really came to me, no idea why..and the easy on the eyes NPC's gives me a good base look...
Thanks you two. <3

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Haplose wrote.... *snip*

Oh, and to the people who write they are filthy rich... how do you do that? I mean the trainer costs at 2k+ a pop, x5 per level are killing me (actually I can very rarely afford trainings, so most opporunities go to waste). I enchant tons of self-made Iron daggers, even started playing with potions, looking to create the most expensive ones. But it's all change, compared with the needs. I didn't even buy any houses. I understand that you don't need to use trainers... but some skills level very little otherwise, at least with my playstyle. Destruction in particular is a real pain to level. And I want these Expert and eventually even Master spells. Light Armor also doesn't raise a lot, seeing how little I get hit. One handed doesn't increase much as well, considering that it usually takes only one swing to kill.

Perhaps I need to start with the Thieves Guild quests, maybe they will finally earn me some gold...


From the Wikia:

Enchanting items crafted to improve the Smithing skill is a cost effective way to level both even if all base materials are purchased


[*]The Transmute spell can be combined with the above to turn iron into gold, smith the gold into rings, enchant the rings, and then sell. Raises Alteration, Smithing, Speech and Enchanting.

[*]Some enchantments will improve the selling price of the base item more than others. In order of descending value:
  • Weapons: Banish, Paralyze, Absorb Health, Stamina Damage
  • Chest: Destruction, Healing Rate, Conjuration, Smithing
  • Head: Archery, Destruction, Conjuration, Restoration
  • Hands/Feet: Sneak, Carry Weight, One-Hand, Two-Hand
  • Jewelry: Sneak, Carry Weight, Barter, One-Hand, Two-Hand
  • Shield: Fortify Block

Modifié par Elhanan, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:01 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Its rather odd that no one notices me walking around town with a dead guy moaning like a zombie.

Really by this point that bandit must really smell.
I think I shall call him Ted.


I'll trade my game for yours!  Most npcs in my game will nag me about undead.
"It's people like you that give magic a bad name"
"I hope you know what you're doing with that spell"
"That spell looks dangerous you should back off"
"Get that spell away from me"

Extremely annoying!  I desummon them when entering town and resurrect them when leaving.

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virumor wrote...

Those city battles in Skyrim sure are epic. Fighting respawning groups of five pathetically weak soldiers ten times. Bethesda never heard of Dynasty Warriors? Console limitations are not, and have never been, an excuse.

Their sorry excuse for an updated engine isn't able to hold more than twenty people on screen at the same time.

Come to think of it, even Oblivion did it better in the battle of Bruma and Imperial City, where unlimited Daedra would actually spawn if you dawdled too long.


and that is why you get Skyrim on PC

the mods are coming out Sir, and they shall be glorious

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Busy Jackalope wrote...

Question: Which race do you guys think (Mods not included) has the most attractive females? I keep rolling breton since I had a nice one I liked in Oblivion, but for the life of me, I can't get any non fugly looking ones in Skyrim.

Edit: Referring to things that can be made in character creation.

I'd say Nord first, then Imperial. Although I made a Bosmer that turned out really pretty, surprisingly.

Bretons are tricky - I used one in my first playthrough, and thought she was pretty until I realized she had forehead wrinkles, and her face looked really strange in some armors. In retrospect, she's not that pretty...at least compared to the other ones I've built since then.

I haven't built an Orc, Redguard, Argonian, or Dunmer yet.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .


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Has anyone seen a January toolset around? Could it be lost somewhere? Should I start placing posters around the webz for a lost January toolset? :s

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Haplose wrote...

Oh, and to the people who write they are filthy rich... how do you do that? I mean the trainer costs at 2k+ a pop, x5 per level are killing me (actually I can very rarely afford trainings, so most opporunities go to waste). I enchant tons of self-made Iron daggers, even started playing with potions, looking to create the most expensive ones. But it's all change, compared with the needs. I didn't even buy any houses. I understand that you don't need to use trainers... but some skills level very little otherwise, at least with my playstyle. Destruction in particular is a real pain to level. And I want these Expert and eventually even Master spells. Light Armor also doesn't raise a lot, seeing how little I get hit. One handed doesn't increase much as well, considering that it usually takes only one swing to kill.

Perhaps I need to start with the Thieves Guild quests, maybe they will finally earn me some gold...


You know all that scrap dwarven metal you leave lying around?  Loot in and then smelt it into Dwaren metal ingots.  Either just sell it or make dwarven daggers instead of iron daggers...

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I just had a fridge horror moment.....

My summons just bit it when a bandit chief impaled them.
When it died it muttered out "....thank...you"

Then I realized right before I summoned the bandit chief....I had been dragging around a dead person in their own body against their will. Throwing them into combat again and again getting them wounded in battle quite often.
Image IPB
That was after I stopped to think about exactly what I was doing....
I dont think I will be using dead thrall anymore. :(

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 17 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .


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Merkar wrote...

Has anyone seen a January toolset around? Could it be lost somewhere? Should I start placing posters around the webz for a lost January toolset? :s

Ditto  with the January patch.

Of course we're only about halfway through January so no promises have been broken yet.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:56 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just had a fridge horror moment.....

My summons just bit it when a bandit chief impaled them.
When it died it muttered out "....thank...you"

Then I realized right before I summoned the bandit chief....I had been dragging around a dead person in their own body against their will. Throwing them into combat again and again getting them wounded in battle quite often.
Image IPB
That was after I stopped to think about exactly what I was doing....
I dont think I will be using dead thrall anymore. :(



Incredible detail! I'm a master level summoner but never used dead thralls, I don't regret it now reading this! I love that they put this sort of detail into Skyrim. Amazing.
BTW, don't worry, it was only dead pixels thralls ;)

Modifié par Purple Lady, 17 janvier 2012 - 04:23 .


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You know I really do enjoy playing an Altmer and beating the ever loving crap out of every Thalmor I can get my hand on.

I really hope there is a DLC about trying to save Skyrim from a Thalmor invasion.

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For those that believe one must earn their rewards, may I suggest the Agent of Mara: The Book of Love quest? But forget the PC, as you the Player will suffer thru some of the most inane activities and dialogue experienced in the game, and may explain why that Skyrim marriage lacks any romance at all. I wanted to get the reward for my Breton Mage/ Archer, but this may be the first and last time I see this particular bonus....

But on a related brighter note, since I was in Riftin anyway and was playing a new face in town, I did enjoy handing out Mara Blessing fliers to various folks to see their reactions including Maven and her ilk. I felt a bit like Conan when he was in disguise passing out flowers in the first film. heh!

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virumor wrote...
Come to think of it, even Oblivion did it better in the battle of Bruma and Imperial City, where unlimited Daedra would actually spawn if you dawdled too long.

Those big battles in Oblvion were nuts, though, and not very fun.  Part of it is that you were always hitting your allies.  "Muuurdeeer!"

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Happens a lot in Skyrim too.

QUIT WALKING RIGHT INTO MY BEAM SPELL MORONS!

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Mecha Tengu wrote...

virumor wrote...

Those city battles in Skyrim sure are epic. Fighting respawning groups of five pathetically weak soldiers ten times. Bethesda never heard of Dynasty Warriors? Console limitations are not, and have never been, an excuse.

Their sorry excuse for an updated engine isn't able to hold more than twenty people on screen at the same time.

Come to think of it, even Oblivion did it better in the battle of Bruma and Imperial City, where unlimited Daedra would actually spawn if you dawdled too long.


and that is why you get Skyrim on PC

the mods are coming out Sir, and they shall be glorious

Its not that much harder to mod a 360 if you know what your doing.
(Or just look up guides on the subject)

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happy_daiz wrote...

Busy Jackalope wrote...

Question: Which race do you guys think (Mods not included) has the most attractive females? I keep rolling breton since I had a nice one I liked in Oblivion, but for the life of me, I can't get any non fugly looking ones in Skyrim.

Edit: Referring to things that can be made in character creation.

I'd say Nord first, then Imperial. Although I made a Bosmer that turned out really pretty, surprisingly.

Bretons are tricky - I used one in my first playthrough, and thought she was pretty until I realized she had forehead wrinkles, and her face looked really strange in some armors. In retrospect, she's not that pretty...at least compared to the other ones I've built since then.

I haven't built an Orc, Redguard, Argonian, or Dunmer yet.


Personally, I think my Redguard, Nord and Imperial came out looking attractive. Not sure about the Breton. With a circlet on, she looks better, because you can't see the weird forehead creases. Orcs look great this time around, but I think making an attractive elf requires some skill. Mine look really gaunt.