billy the squid wrote...
Ulfric using the voice is not something thatwould be considered unfair as he still killed Torygg in single combat, that he used training in the Thu'um, is not exactly an unfair advantage if the other combatant has not the experience or training to use it. The combat was not to make everything equal, it was to determine who was superior and had the right to rule based on the participant's own merits and skills. Torygg lost. Ulfric already had experience fighting in the Great War and the Markath incident, he was a veteran and also Jarl of Windhelm.
I disagree entirely. I am sure single combat in Skyrim (a land where everything magic-related is mistrusted) entails "weapons only", and absolutely no magic. Not to mention ever since Jurgen Windcaller stopped meditating on his mountain and introduced the Way of the Voice, it was forbidden to use the Voice for combat (with the only exception being the Dragonborn).
Not to mention it is still unclear whether Ulfric really killed Torygg with his sword after shouting him down, since the other side says Torygg was shouted apart and that was the end. Ulfric used the Voice because that would guarantee him to win.
The issue of flight is, if Torygg was in the employ of the Empire, They were hardly going to honour the rules of the combat and allow Ulfric to call a moot to afirm him as High King. He would have been imprisoned and executed in short order, Ulfric may not have been subtle in the use of single combat, but I don't think he's such a fool as not to realise that the Empire weren't going to sit by idly whilst he secured support from the other Jarls.
Obviously they were not going to honour the rules of combat, when Ulfric didn't honour those rules himself. At best he used a loophole.
Titus Mede only ascended to the throne after his father who won power after years of political infighting and civil war
I don't see how that is revelatn. Tiber Septim, founder of the Empire, ascended to the throne after decades of warfare and intrigue all over Tamriel.
The Empire has been loosing control since the Oblivion crisis, first Blackmarsh and the devestation of Morrowind. The Dominion only became involved after the rout of the Empire's Legions in Valenwood and loosing complete control of Elswyer. The Empire essentially ceeded Valenwood to the Dominion after they were defeated there and withdrew, whilst no attempt was made to re take Elswyer. Whilst the Legions were likely stationed in the provinces to forestall things like the current Stormcloak rebellion.
The Empire can really only be blamed for abandoning Hammerfell. I agree that was a lousy move.
That is logistically impossible, for Cyrodiil to provide sufficient manpower to form Legions, a Navy and have garrisons in each province.
The Empire is drawing a lot more than reserves from the provinces. Obviously the Dunmer and Altmer are not included as one has suffered widespread damage to it's homeland and the other is heavily recruited into the Aldmeri Dominion, whilst the Bosmer at least some are also allied or forced into service by the Thalmor. Auxiliaries in the form of Orcs quite possibly, but we know that extensive reinforcements from Skyrim were deployed in the Great War in the Nordic Legions and we know that the Redguard were also iheavily nvolved as the core of the resistance left behind in Hammerfell were Redguard Legionnaire Veterans.
It's still not mentioned anywhere that Decianus' forces were exclusively Redguard.
As for logistically impossible... well, it's still a game (where city battles boil down to twenty men fighting each other). I can count the number of non-Imperial and non-Nord Legion members in Morrowind on one hand. If one applies real-world logic it also doesn't make sense that mere Summurset Isle and Valenwood can summon a force that threatens all Legions of Skyrim, Cyrodiil and Hammerfell.
The Thalmor are in Cyrodiil and control trade between Skyrim and Cyrodiil, whilst the Thalmor themselves are planning another campaign. Talking to the guests at the Embassy reveals this. The Thalmor are hardly going to let the Empire rebuild its military under their nose are they? They have access to Cyrodiil and Skyrim. They have no influence in Hammerfell because after 5 years the Redguard fought them to a standstill and they withdrew. Given the previous necessity of support form Skyrim and Hammerfell to survive the Great War, logically the Empire is going to be in no position to fight the Thalmor on it's own without reinforcements.
The Empire letting the Thalmor in on trade (and religious matters) doesn't mean they are also letting in the Thalmor in their military matters. If they do... they deserve to get steamrolled.
And again, if the Empire so desperately needs Skyrim's troops to survive against the Thalmor (which I agree with), why would anyone ever choose to join with the Stormcloaks, when it guarantees a future Thalmor victory?
Modifié par virumor, 22 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .
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Have you read any of the discussion on the previous pages? The irony to that view of Windhelm is that it's one of the most diverse cities in Skyrim, and Riften is the second most diverse and it is also a Stormcloak hold. How many Argonians and Dunmer do you see in Solitude? Obviously there is disharmony, but the idea that it's the Stormcloaks' fault is just weird. Some of the Stormcloak jarls have more non-Nords in their households than the imperial ones do.
