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[Yrkoon]

Brockololly wrote...

I love how Skyrim is a fairly grounded fantasy setting in terms of look and what not as far as the Elder Scrolls go, but when they go full on crazy High Fantasy thats all the more enjoyable because of how everything else tries to stay somewhat more grounded. It makes for a nice contrast.

^yep, that's the way it should be. World-shaking events should be rare exceptions. They should stand out for the "wow" factor. When they happen all the time everywhere the feeling just become diluted, and the event itself becomes "ho-hum... been there, done that"

Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Brockololly wrote...

adneate wrote...
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the last Skyrim DLC had The Dragonborn and Talos team up to fight armies of Thalmor goons.

*SNIP*

Hell. Yeah.


I love how Skyrim is a fairly grounded fantasy setting in terms of look and what not as far as the Elder Scrolls go, but when they go full on crazy High Fantasy thats all the more enjoyable because of how everything else tries to stay somewhat more grounded. It makes for a nice contrast.

Agreed.  Oh, and the Ulysses plot line that ran through the NV DLCs was simply superb.  When you finally get to meet U in Lonesome Road...Epic...and very well done imo.  I'm hoping that Obsidian has prodded Bethesda even further forward to that level of story telling (and in my opinion Skyrim's storylines were infinitely better than Oblivion's, so that's at least a step in the right direction, and something to really build on for DLC).  Skryim has a perfectly teed up plot ready to move forward.  I'm just hoping we don't have to wait unitl ES6 to experience it.  Let's see what they'll do.  

My blind, drooling fanboy-ism for New Vegas' 4 DLCs is the one reason I am absolutely looking forward to see what Bethesda might have in store for us in Skyrim's post-game content.

Bottom line: If we get to kill Thalmor, in whatever alliance, I'll be one happy dude.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 03 février 2012 - 03:29 .

[Volus Warlord]

Ah, the Thalmor..

Why are all the High Elves in Skyrim pretentious pricks? I sort of expected it from the Thalmore, but then I went to that shop in Solitude and I was tempted to murder them both on the spot.

[Elhanan]

heh! Love the dialogue that indicates that the sister that actually leaves the shop occasionally and is a marriage option is the one with the 'people' skills. And the lass at the College of Magic makes me wish to test her ability to fly occasionally when walking on the broken bridge to Winterhold.

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[Kaisla]

why is Skyrim on here?

I perfer DA over skyrim, anyday..
You have a story in DA, Skyrim your nobody...

[Giggles_Manically]

[ErichHartmann]

Kaisla wrote...

why is Skyrim on here?

I perfer DA over skyrim, anyday..
You have a story in DA, Skyrim your nobody...

Too many arrows to the knee, eh?

[Addai]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ah, the Thalmor..

Why are all the High Elves in Skyrim pretentious pricks? I sort of expected it from the Thalmore, but then I went to that shop in Solitude and I was tempted to murder them both on the spot.

Aw, there are a couple who are nice.  Nelacar is lovely.    The couple who own the Windhelm stables are normal sorts, and the vendor Niranye is shady but all in all a decent person.  The Altmer all grow up with a severe superiority complex pounded into their heads.  If you lived to be 1000 years, you'd probably look down on people, too.  Been there- done that- all you humans are the same.

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

My blind, drooling fanboy-ism for New Vegas' 4 DLCs is the one reason I am absolutely looking forward to see what Bethesda might have in store for us in Skyrim's post-game content.

Bottom line: If we get to kill Thalmor, in whatever alliance, I'll be one happy dude.

Shivering Isles was the best set of quests out of Oblivion.  They set a high bar.  FNV's DLCs were superb- I was floored to see that they didn't get awards for them when stupid ME Arrival did- but that was Obsidian.  If Bethesda can match their subtlety for writing, I might buy stock.

[Redneck1st]

Kaisla wrote...

why is Skyrim on here?

I perfer DA over skyrim, anyday..
You have a story in DA, Skyrim your nobody...

Well then be on your way and go play the lame DA 2 been there done that didn't care for it as DAO was much better. As for why we are talking about Skyrim and this thread is on here because its an off topic forum where we can discuss what we want and we want to discuss Skyrim enough said on the subject.

@Giggles maybe it was a combination of the two with Kaisa. Dont think that they can read that it says that it's an off topics area and we can discuss what we choose here.<LOL> 

Modifié par Redneck1st, 03 février 2012 - 05:25 .

[Addai]

LOL- Skyrim Men of Fashion

[William Shakespeare]

Kaisla wrote...

why is Skyrim on here?

I perfer DA over skyrim, anyday..
You have a story in DA, Skyrim your nobody...

atleast Elder Scrolls knows how to make sequels

[Redneck1st]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

Must have been funny seeing the Stormcloaks running like scared rabbits.<G> You ever use the Daedra sword Dwan Breaker in draugr crypts? Its so funny watching then run away in all directions like their arses are on fire. Even the ones laying in thier little cubby hole things get up and run. I then set up fire rune traps especially in areas for which there is oil all over and wait for them to get the courage to come back.<EG> Will have to amdit tht its been some fun times this play through with them

All the time! Dawnbreaker is my favorite weapon in the game.  Sure, it does low damage, but the effect on the undead...priceless. 

It's one thing to have utter chaos in a Dragr crypt with undead running in all directions with (literally) their hair on fire, but it's quite another to have that sort of cartoon fun, and then get the BOOM! and you're treated to a surreal blue explosion of bones, skulls and ancient weapons.  One of the most gratifying experiences in the game for me...only topped by Shield Charging a cluster of Mages or Deathlords. 

I couldn't agree with you more about Dawn breaker used to make my own daedric sword when I got high enough btu decided to to do something this play through and give DB a try. First time I heard the boom and seen the Draugr running for the hills I couldn't figure out what was going on. After the 2nd time and sone of themn ending up as ash piles I read the descrip more closely and thought now this is nice.<LOL> 

Aww yes shield charging the mages is always fun especially when their spells do little to know damage to you. With the enchantments for which I've got on my equipment as well as for what she gets for being a Nord she's got over a 100% resistance to cold, fire and shock spells.<G> Now since this is the first time for which I am using the shield didn't know that there was an Elemental perk. Next time through will change my enchantments and take that perk for shields as well.<LOL> 

BTW How much damage can you do with Dawnstar? As for me Dawnstar does well over 130 pts per hit and thats without the 3x sneak bonus.<G> Not to mention I only have 4/5 of armsman. Working on getting the last one in armsman then I'll get over 140 per hit.

Let's see, I'm right at 130 damage with Dawnbreaker, with 4/5 taken in Armsman.  When compared to 218 and 213 respectively with my Ebony Mace and Axe, it's not all that impressive, but the effect, as you've seen, is well worth a reduction in damage.

And I will tell you taking Elemental Protection on the Blocking tree is a must for a shield warrior.  It was the game changer for me against pyromages and necromancers, which reduces any of their their elemental spell effects by half.  Whenever I meet enemy mages now, I just raise the shield and charge.  And that's just how I like it...simple and effective! 

Well now your right about the same damage that I am for Dawnbreaker so I take it you've upgraded the sword as well.<G> 

I'm going to have to check it out again and see what all it's protects from. As right now with the way I've got my enchantments done on my equipment butr I believe Fire; frost and shock Damage of about 56% IIRC and then being a Nord she gets another 50% frost. And then I took the elemental perk so that shows you where I stand for taking elemntal damage from fire, frost and shock spells.<LOL> I just stand there and laugh at mages
 But what gets me is how in the world were they given unlimited mana?

[Addai]

I don't think enemy mages have unlimited mana, just high. If you suck them dry with the Staff of Magnus, they just stand there and glare at you.  Or come at you with their puny daggers.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't think enemy mages have unlimited mana, just high. If you suck them dry with the Staff of Magnus, they just stand there and glare at you.  Or come at you with their puny daggers.

Same with Lightning Cloak and using another draining type spell; the mask wearers look esp sad for this reason....

[Haplose]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't think enemy mages have unlimited mana, just high. If you suck them dry with the Staff of Magnus, they just stand there and glare at you.  Or come at you with their puny daggers.

Yeah, or you can dodge/block a few spells and they will eventually have to pause as well.
Fortunately the ES are not a game where enemies and player characters operate under different rulesets (I'm looking at DA2 in particular!).

[Elhanan]

Haplose wrote...

Yeah, or you can dodge/block a few spells and they will eventually have to pause as well.
Fortunately the ES are not a game where enemies and player characters operate under different rulesets (I'm looking at DA2 in particular!).

Dunno about that....
 
* guards, couriers, etc can locate you almost anywhere even if well over 100+ concealed and invisible.

* guards may fire arrows thru cell bars while player Shouts, spells, and arrows are unable to do the same.

* distant targets know instantly when a speeding arrow is on the way, and may dart away before impact.

* fleeing suspects are often faster than Shawdowmere at a full gallop.

* Ice and Fire mages may spam spells faster and more accurately than players. Etc.

Pls do not let bias cloud objectivity.

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 février 2012 - 09:21 .

[HoonDing]

Addai67 wrote...

I posted some rambly lore thoughts about Talos on my tumblr.  Would be interested to hear if any of you have thoughts on it, since some of you are much more versed in the lore than I am.

That cycle of destruction is only true for the Shivering Isles. Mundus being remade numerous times doesn't make any sense at all, unless the established monomyth is completely wrong and the gibberish of Mankar Camoran in Oblivion (Lorkhan being a Daedra, Nirn being a Daedric realm) is true. 

Aedra becoming Daedra doesn't make sense either, since they're antipodal in their very nature. Peryite was likely linked to Akatosh because Peryite is always depicted as a dragon. 

Also, Lorkhan appearing as an avatar to defend humanity is pretty common throughout the history of Tamriel. Talos just merged with him. Dovahkiin is not in any way remarkable or special compared to previous heroes. Sure, he or she saved the world from being "eaten", but the impact is far lessened considering Alduin is never really shown in the game as truly threatening or powerful, he's just another generic dragon with a different skin that eats souls in Sovngarde (which is a good thing in my book, if cowards like Ulfric are able to end up over there). 

In previous games, I killed gods and defeated Daedric Princes.

Modifié par virumor, 03 février 2012 - 09:23 .

[Haplose]

Fair enough. But some of these things I would treat as normal:

Elhanan wrote...

Dunno about that....
 
* guards, couriers, etc can locate you almost anywhere even if well over 100+ concealed and invisible.

 

I think that's just a plot protection device, in order not to screw dialogues, quest triggers, etc.
So I've come to expect such things, particularly in story-driven games.

Elhanan wrote... 
* guards may fire arrows thru cell bars while player Shouts, spells, and arrows are unable to do the same.

* distant targets know instantly when a speeding arrow is on the way, and may speed away before impact.

* fleeing suspects are often faster than Shawdowmere at a full gallop. 

  

Okay, haven't really noticed that, but I'll take your word. I think entering the stealth mode would solve the distant arrow dodging problem? Not being able to fire over low cover or between bars is definately annoying though. 

Elhanan wrote...  
* Ice and Fire mages may spam spells faster and more accurately than players. Etc.

Okay, that's a real problem and I guess this really does defeat my previous statement. Definately enemy spellcasters scale the damage on their spells way more then players ever can. And this is indeed very unfair. Maybe we need a mod?

Modifié par Haplose, 03 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[Elhanan]

The part about outrunning Shadowmere is not really about comparing the horse, but is based more on the observation of some fleeing foes and their jump to warp speed.

But even if concealed, some distant targets will move quickly to avoid that arrow hit. Reloading helps, but is annoying if a missed shot brings extra opponents.

Personally, I do not mind the rule against firing thru slots, rails, etc. but did notice the guards were not limited to that in a visit to Sippi recently; had 'teleported' myself into his cell, but could not find an exit.

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Yrkoon]

William Shakespeare wrote...

Kaisla wrote...

why is Skyrim on here?

I perfer DA over skyrim, anyday..
You have a story in DA, Skyrim your nobody...

atleast Elder Scrolls knows how to make sequels

And civil wars.   And horseback riding.  And  Tool sets.

And they seem to have a decisive edge in the Player agency department, too.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 février 2012 - 10:37 .

[Yrkoon]

Elhanan wrote...

* guards may fire arrows thru cell bars while player Shouts, spells, and arrows are unable to do the same.

Er... I can fire arrows (and *kill* things with them)   thru  bars and cages in Skyrim.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[Redneck1st]

Addal67- Yes but you've got to have the staff of Magnus to begin with and at Lvl 38 I've yet to Even visit the MC. Heck I've not even been to Riften or Markarth this play through.Think them are the only towns for which I"ve not been to yet. But will have to admit that in the Markarth hold area I've got a 40septum bounty on me.<LOL>

@Elhanan- Don't Lightning cloak work like the Fire cloak where it's only good in melee combat? This is the first play through for which I've used spells in the game so I'm just figuring them out and trying them as I find them. Also how did you manage to teleport into the cell with Sippi? I've never come across a teleport spell in the game Must be missing something some where.

Now as for every one else will have to agree with Yrkoon I"ve also fired arrows through bars and cages and killed them. I've also used Ice form on Draugr that were on the other side of a portuculis and it froze them.

Not sure about being 100% stealth and the guards and courier still being able to find you as I've never tried that there.

Will have to admit though that so far this game I've yet to get any naked grams from the courier. So far every time he's found me he's been fully dressed and not only in his small clothes.

[Redneck1st]

Now I was wondering if anyone else caught this here. You know them assasins for which are sent to kill you from time to time early in the game? Ok the DB notes your find on them are signed by Astrid.

Now when you go and kill Ms kind for the kid in windhelm and you sleep. When you finally meet Astrid in the shack there is no mention then or ever about the contract. Not even through the whole DB quest line.

This part to me seems like it just wasn't followed up on. I'm curious as to whether it was the Thalmor that put the contract out on the Dragon borrn or Maven Black-Briar? If not one of them then who?

[Yrkoon]

  Also, another point, since we're all trying to be  'unbias' in our absurd attempt to find  some measure of equality between a masterpiece and a turd:

Elhanan wrote...

* fleeing suspects are often faster than Shawdowmere at a full gallop.

The fact that Skyrim even HAS enemies that flee combat already puts  it a step above DA2... who's Enemy AI   is not advanced enough to do anything other than   rush forward at you until death.  I don't even understand the comparison you're trying to make  here anyway.  Are you saying that fast fleeing is a skill only the enemies have in Skyrim?  You'd be wrong about that, too.

Ditto with your stealth complaint.   That you'd  deign to even mention Stealth  in this discussion is  an affront to all my gaming senses.    At least Skyrim HAS stealth gameplay. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 février 2012 - 01:19 .