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[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Problem is TES DLC has always been one of those HAPPEN AT ANY POINT things.

Tribunal and Bloodmoon could both happen right out of the gate.
Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine as well

A Thalmor invasion would only really make sense post-civil war.

A Solstheim based DLC could be done at any real time in the game, and hey that is some nostalgia right there. 

When I read that thread from the lore forum last week, the fact that Chimere Graegyn was on an island he describes as "somewhere in the north" made me think that might be a DLC location.  Caecilly is an island that was in Oblivion for 50 years and popped back into Tamriel off the coast somewhere.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Torygg let them in, and quite a few Nords are pissed off about that.

Where did you hear that?  The executioner makes it sound like the opposite.  Even so, there are only 2 Argonians in Solitude.  Both of them up to no good, too.  Sort of ironic that almost all the beast folk and some of the Bosmer live down to their reputations.

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

Yeah, I agree.  Often when this topic comes up you find out people haven't talked to many of the Dunmer or Altmer in Windhelm, and don't know the intervening history of the empire after Oblivion or the background with Argonians and Dunmer being bitter enemies.  The irony is that it's the Stormcloak holds that have larger populations of non-Nords, unless you count the Reachmen in Markarth and you can see how well that's going.  Add to that the fact that the empire now only consists of High Rock, Cyrodiil and maybe Skyrim, and the "racism" factor strikes me as very odd.  There are good reasons to support the empire, but that's not one of them.

You know in Solitude, Roggvir's executioner complains about Jaree-Ra and says that under Torygg, a lizard like him would never have been let into the city.

OTOH, if someone sees their Dragonborn as a major social reformer of the Nords- and, you know, good luck with that- then you're better off with Elisif on the throne.  Ulfric is his own man, not overly awed by the Dragonborn, and is going to keep Skyrim on war footing until the threat from the Dominion is over one way or another.  For my money, that's what Skyrim needs.

Funny that; much prefer Elsif as High ruler than Ulfric. Too bad that is not an option. And having gone to the trouble of killing Jaree-Ra w/o taking that fool's errand of a quest, I would not have allowed him in Solitude either.

Folks should be judged on their indv choices and decisions; not upon the opinions of another. Blades anyone?

But you are correct when you mention not knowing the history. Thuds for me, I make my judgement calls based on the events experienced in the here and now; not on the past events. While history is important, it is not paramount, and I am for using the game and story before me.

Modifié par Elhanan, 06 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...
But you are correct when you mention not knowing the history. Thuds for me, I make my judgement calls based on the events experienced in the here and now; not on the past events. While history is important, it is not paramount, and I am for using the game and story before me.

It is in the game, but you have to read in-game books and pay attention to small details that can easily go missed.

@ Ulfric (sorry, your avatar distracts me badly ):  I love the music, but don't have particular tracks that stand out.  Maybe some of the nighttime ones.  My only complaint is that the music is too Oblivion-like for my taste and I think they could have gone darker/ harder edge.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 février 2012 - 04:42 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Torygg let them in, and quite a few Nords are pissed off about that.

Where did you hear that?  The executioner makes it sound like the opposite.  Even so, there are only 2 Argonians in Solitude.  Both of them up to no good, too.  Sort of ironic that almost all the beast folk and some of the Bosmer live down to their reputations.

I got the timeline wrong it seems.

The red year happened 150 years before Skyrim happens.
So that would be like 3-5 kings or so between then and now. 

I need to look at the dialouge then to see if Ulfric set up the Grey Quarter or if it was there longer.

On another note I think that Odahviing is a really cool dragon right now.
Talking to him is fun, and he has an awesome voice.

I am bummed that I cant see what the flight was like though.
Hope it had a good inflight movie at least. 

[happy_daiz]

Angus Cousland wrote...

LOL. No one ever did tell me what their favorite music tracks from the game were.

Come on, now.

I  all of them. Every single one.

[Giggles_Manically]

happy_daiz wrote...

Angus Cousland wrote...

LOL. No one ever did tell me what their favorite music tracks from the game were.

Come on, now.

I  all of them. Every single one.

This is still my fave by a far margin, its like having an entire choir of manly vikings announcing your arrival.

[happy_daiz]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
This is still my fave by a far margin, its like having an entire choir of manly vikings announcing your arrival.

OK, the mental image for that was like a pretty little blue butterfly. Distracting!

[Giggles_Manically]

happy_daiz wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
This is still my fave by a far margin, its like having an entire choir of manly vikings announcing your arrival.

OK, the mental image for that was like a pretty little blue butterfly. Distracting!

Now imagine them all without shirts on and carrying you on a litter.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I got the timeline wrong it seems.

The red year happened 150 years before Skyrim happens.
So that would be like 3-5 kings or so between then and now. 

I need to look at the dialouge then to see if Ulfric set up the Grey Quarter or if it was there longer.

I think it's been there all along, though it used to be called the Snow Quarter.  I'm just extrapolating but my guess is that it was set aside for the Dunmer at around the same time the Decree of Monument was made for Solstheim.  Especially since there is a plaque of that just outside Windhelm.  People do say that things have gotten worse under Ulfric, but if you consider that Skyrim is in wartime then that makes sense and doesn't need to be put down to racism.  It just sounds to me like both Torygg and Ulfric, being more traditional Nords, were maintaining a status quo that has gone on in Skyrim for a long time.  Which, relatively speaking, is pretty benign as racial tension in Tamriel goes.

The Argonians being exploited on the docks in Windhelm- that guy (is he from the East Empire Company?  I can't remember) is easily persuaded to cough up and he doesn't seem particularly hateful towards Argonians.  The Nord who owns the fishery in Riften is said to be generous and pays his workers well.  But somehow on the interwebz, it all gets translated into "Stormcloaks are genocidal maniacs."

[Giggles_Manically]

Same as people in FONV forums saying:
CAESAR IS A VISIONARY! or NCR IS A MONSTER!

People like to gloss over good or bad parts of things they dont like or like respectively.
I think its simply patriotic chest pounding in regards to having part of their culture stolen from them.
They hold on more firmly to what remains.

Besides people ALWAYS pick out the stinker in a crowd like Rolff, rather than see all the people who just dont want another person telling them how to live.

End of the day I think most Stormcloaks are the result of wartime propaganda, and a tiny bit of residual racism. Than again EVERYONE is a little bit racist across Skyrim.

[happy_daiz]

^ I got the impression that Rolff really just needed a good brawl to set him straight. He always says, "You've been a good friend to me..."


In regard to the racism in Windhelm...I find the storytelling interesting, in that the surface emotion is to feel bad for all non-Nord races in Windhelm, because Ulfric is perceived as some big racist meanie.

However, if you actually talk to people, you start to realize that some of the "oppressed" really just use it as a convenient excuse for their troubles, or lack of ambition.

I'm not saying they don't really have any troubles, but I know Niranye makes mention of it, and the Dunmer (whose house I seem to always shill) says something about being disappointed in his kinsmen for not rising above and making lives for themselves. I can't remember the exact phrase. He's the one that sits right in front of the Gnisis Cornerclub.

So, like many of the other plotlines in Skyrim, there is a lot of grey area. No pun intended.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 06 février 2012 - 05:35 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Huh looking at the hard copy map I got in my Skyrim box what are all the little x marks on it I wonder?
After I finish the main quest I will look into that.

[Barbarossa2010]

Angus Cousland wrote...

LOL. No one ever did tell me what their favorite music tracks from the game were.

Angus Cousland wrote...
Anyway, I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but I'm curious to know what some of peoples' favorite tunes from the game are. This game probably has one of the greatest videogame soundtracks out there IMHO, and there's quite a few pieces I find particularly stirring.

I myself rather like this night theme. It sends chills up my spine every time I hear it.

Standing Stones

This one is also very powerful.

Dragonsreach

Jeremy Soule is the man.

Come on, now.

Still my favorite, even after 4 or 500 pages.

[Addai]

Rolff is sort of a classic case of a loser who blames his own problems on whoever is nearby. Angrenor the same. Angrenor and Brunwulf, also Noster in Solitude, I think are meant to show the various ways war veterans are dealing with that legacy. Ironically, Rolff's main complaint is that the Dunmer aren't joining the Stormcloaks, when a lot of people seem to think the Stormcloaks are a Nord supremacist group. Again, I think people don't really pay attention. Not people here- I mean the comments I see on the Skyrim tags on Twitter and tumblr.

[goofyomnivore]

Nobody really likes anyone in Tamriel. Well the Bretons get along with most, but ironically they can't get along with one another hah.

Random Question: Are the Khajiits kept out of the Skyrim cities because of the Thalmor influence on their homeland? Or is it just they're nasty reputation? I could also see the Nords trying to seperate the Dunmer and Argonians due to their bad blood. If those two are true. I find it more practical than racist to keep the beast races out of Nord cities.

edit; I'm boring I like Sovengarde the most, but I don't think anyone dislikes that one.

Modifié par strive, 06 février 2012 - 05:48 .

[happy_daiz]

Last night, I had just gone to the market district in Windhelm, and a dragon attacked. That's the first time I've seen one attack within the walls of Windhelm, so I was a little surprised. It's much more common to see it happen in a non-walled city, like Falkreath or Riverwood.

Anyway, I was surprised to see and hear all of the townspeople pulling out their blades, and running after the dragon. Some of the more mild-mannered NPCs were even taunting it.

I used Marked for Death, and between all of us, we downed the dragon pretty quickly. Its dead body landed right on the steps between the Candlehearth Hall and the Keep. Not a single person died. It was perfect.

I've been having a lot of fun trying to kill dragons while they're still in the air, so they have to do a crash landing. I don't know why, but it makes me very happy.

[happy_daiz]

strive wrote...
Random Question: Are the Khajiits kept out of the Skyrim cities because of the Thalmor influence on their homeland? Or is it just they're nasty reputation? I could also see the Nords trying to seperate the Dunmer and Argonians due to their bad blood. If those two are true. I find it more practical than racist to keep the beast races out of Nord cities.

I believe it's just the Khajiit caravans that are kept out; not individual Khajiit. Can someone verify?

[Addai]

High Rock didn't get along with Orsinium so well.

I am guessing Khajiit caravans were not welcome even before Elsweyr went to the Dominion, because they sell moon sugar which is the basis for skooma, and have a reputation as thieves.  It does seem to be just the caravans, because you can come across some Khajiit in towns who are Thalmor agents.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[Addai]

happy_daiz wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
This is still my fave by a far margin, its like having an entire choir of manly vikings announcing your arrival.

OK, the mental image for that was like a pretty little blue butterfly. Distracting!

I just thought of this when I saw a spam email come across my inbox advertising "Russian girls."

If only the marketers knew my weaknesses, I should be getting spam for "hot Viking men." 

So you saw a dragon in Windhelm proper??  I've never seen that, just seen them divebombing the city.  I didn't think they attacked there because there's nowhere big enough for them to land.

[goofyomnivore]

*Doh* I forgot the whole moon sugar bit, and yeah I think it is just the caravans.

The only settlement I ever see attacked is the College, and it is quite often. Every other time I go there I see a dragon.

[happy_daiz]

Addai67 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
This is still my fave by a far margin, its like having an entire choir of manly vikings announcing your arrival.

OK, the mental image for that was like a pretty little blue butterfly. Distracting!

I just thought of this when I saw a spam email come across my inbox advertising "Russian girls."

If only the marketers knew my weaknesses, I should be getting spam for "hot Viking men." 

So you saw a dragon in Windhelm proper??  I've never seen that, just seen them divebombing the city.  I didn't think they attacked there because there's nowhere big enough for them to land.

You would be in big trouble if they find that out about you.

Yes! I couldn't believe it. In what is probably close to 1000 hours, I've NEVER seen that. I just assumed that it would never happen, because of the high walls, and tight spaces. The dragon landed on buildings mostly, until its corpse hit the steps near the keep.

That's one of the things I absolutely love about this game. Even after this much time invested in it, it still finds ways to surprise and amaze me.