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[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...
A few NPC's are unique and colorful in Skyrim, and I agree that like with Kodlak's journal, some are much deeper than revealed thru the dialogue. But while NPC's may have some backstory does not make them interesting or colorful; sometimes they are irritating; worthy of avoidance. The little girl bully in Whiterun, and almost the entire cast of Agent of Mara pop into mind here, as I go out of my way now to run into either.

Personally, I do not mind having some silent NPC;'s; guessing several don't seeing as there is a Skyrim mod available to do just that. And I do not need a cast of thousands; the key players are fine, especially when they are more meaningful to the story and the player; not just skin deep.

Not all NPCs need to be likeable.

The silent mod is to keep from hearing the same lines over and over.  I'd still rather have NPCs who have at least something to say, than Kirkwall's army of mute drones.

[Brockololly]

Haha- Was doing some of the Radiant quests for the companions today and got one of the "rescue citizen X" type quests. Funny thing is, I had to rescue Mjoll, who my PC is married to. Kind of weird having her ask to go back to Riften when she had been staying in my house in Windhelm.


And its so cool finding random things even after playing for 100+ hours. Like wandering around and seeing a cabin in the woods with a guy that looks like he's sleeping, only to see he's dead. Read the journal and the poor guy chronicled how he was dying of Rockjoint. Poor guy, I mean, hell, thats more than I cared about most of the characters in DA2 and this guy didn't say a word!

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

Not all NPCs need to be likeable.

The silent mod is to keep from hearing the same lines over and over.  I'd still rather have NPCs who have at least something to say, than Kirkwall's army of mute drones.

Now it's an army? Thought the lack of warm bodies was the problem.

Thing is in either game, when areas are avoided, and people are not playing, there may be a problem. Skyrim states they have marriage, and it's in there in name only. iI the entire game had been this substance-light, it is doubtfulk that they would have GOTY crowds still playing it.

I prefer meaningful characters; quality over quantity.

[bussinrounds]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Can you imagine if each of the followers in Skyrim had deep, fleshed out (Err... Don't look at me that way Eola) backstories and quests? As well as unique and colourful personalities? OMG, I would be in heaven. The only thing stopping Skyrim (and the ES games in general) from being perfect IMO is the lack of a strong storyline and deep characters (at least on par with the depth of some Bioware and Obsidian characters).

   It would also be nice if the gameplay (combat) was any good, everything didn't come down to just killing stuff (more ways to play it), it had choice and consequences and the quests were actually good too.   All show, no go. 

Modifié par bussinrounds, 19 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[Elhanan]

bussinrounds wrote...

 It would also be nice if the gameplay was any good, everything didn't come down to just killing stuff (more ways to play it), it had choice and consequences and the quests were actually good too.   All show, no go. 

Perhaps playing with the monitor on, as well as an open mind might be of help; just a guess....

[bussinrounds]

I could overlook most of it's faults if the combat was any good. It could of been a decent action/adventure type game, but as a rpg it fails pretty hard.

[Elhanan]

bussinrounds wrote...

I could overlook most of it's faults if the combat was any good. It could of been a decent action/adventure type game, but as a rpg it fails pretty hard.

This opinion vs GOTY, top RPG, top sales, etc.; shall go with the majority on this one.

[Addai]

I'd say the combat is your standard action RPG stuff. I'm playing The Witcher 2 now and combat is much more annoying in that game. As long as it doesn't get in my way, I don't ask a lot out of combat as to me that's last on the list of elements for an RPG.

[bussinrounds]

Addai67 wrote...
 I don't ask a lot out of combat as to me that's last on the list of elements for an RPG.

  I would agree if we were talking about Planescape or something with great writing/story/characters/dialog.  But It's Skyrim FFS.

  And Elhanan,  the 'majority' also buy COD and Justin Beiber by the zillions.  Does that make it any good ? 

Modifié par bussinrounds, 19 février 2012 - 10:16 .

[Addai]

Oh, good god. Are people going to compare every game to a game that came out 12 years ago?

Whatever, I don't care. Play what you want.

I'm enjoying The Witcher 2, but miss being able to make my own character. That separates good games from great ones for me.

[Yrkoon]

Tommy6860 wrote...
 I have my own definition of what RPing is.

Indeed.  And here you are attempting to push that  unique definition upon  the rest of us.   Silly.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[Yrkoon]

bussinrounds wrote...


  And Elhanan,  the 'majority' also buy COD and Justin Beiber by the zillions.  Does that make it any good ? 

Can't comment about Justin Beiber, but  COD fans and professional critics alike generally consider  COD  the best series of  shooters  the gaming industry has to offer, yes.  So what exactly is your argument?  That the masses are wrong and you're right?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 février 2012 - 10:53 .

[bussinrounds]

Yrkoon wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...


  And Elhanan,  the 'majority' also buy COD and Justin Beiber by the zillions.  Does that make it any good ? 

Can't comment about Justin Beiber, but  COD fans and professional critics alike generally consider  COD  the best series of  shooters  the gaming industry has to offer, yes.  So what exactly is your argument?  That the masses are wrong and you're right?

  Thanks for proving my point.

[Yrkoon]

If your "point" is that mass appeal and sales are the measurement of a game's greatness then Yes. I proved your point. Although my input was hardly needed. It's common knowledge. It's the first thing you learn in Capitalism 101: Make a good product and the masses will buy it.

[bussinrounds]

Yrkoon wrote...

 mass appeal and sales aren't the measurement of a game's greatness

  Fixed.

[Yrkoon]

By all means, give me another measurement then. Something besides: "bussinround's personal tastes".

Then we'll go from there.

[Elhanan]

The fact that an opinion is in the minority does not not make it invaild. However, when it becomes increasingly clear that the opinion is biased, and blind to the evidence confronting it, then it becomes more unlikely that this uninformed view has much merit at all. IMO, of course.

[Chromie]

bussinrounds wrote...
I would agree if we were talking about Planescape or something with great writing/story/characters/dialog. But It's Skyrim FFS.

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, good god. Are people going to compare every game to a game that came out 12 years ago?.

Fine Witcher 2 has an amazing story and it came out recently. The combat to me is fun but doesn't come close to how good the story is. Skyrim however isn't about the story > gameplay.

[bussinrounds]

Skyrim doesn't have good story OR gameplay.  It's strength is the open world exploration and the pretty scenery.


I'll just say most ppl have shi**y taste and leave it at that.

Modifié par bussinrounds, 20 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[Addai]

Yes, leave it at that.

[Yrkoon]

Skyrim's gameplay is awesome.  When you can spend 100 hours just crafting  and alchemy mixing, and not get sick of it, while also coming  to the realization that it's only ~10% of what the game has to offer,  then  what you're looking at  is extraordinary gameplay.

Of course, my opinion doesn't matter in the slightest.   Bethesda has already been rewarded for pulling out all the stops.  Skyrim is approaching 10 MILLION in sales  from word of mouth alone..

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 février 2012 - 12:38 .

[Elhanan]

bussinrounds wrote...

Skyrim doesn't have good story OR gameplay.  It's strength is the open world exploration and the pretty scenery.

I'll just say most ppl have shi**y taste and leave it at that.

Guess these folks did not know:

http://content.usato...-pc-play-time/1

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I'd say something, but it'd be a rambling tl;dr discussing what I feel are the pros and cons of Skyrim's design rather what seems to be an excuse to take pot shots at one another.

FWIW though, I believe the best action RPG combat gameplay we've seen this side of M&B or Dark Souls was Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, a game released in 2006 (?) using the HL 2 engine.

[Doctalen]

I just found out that some shouts can't be accessed once you finish parts in the main quest that you can't get back to. Pretty pissed about that. Wanted full strength storm call.

[Elhanan]

Doctalen wrote...

I just found out that some shouts can't be accessed once you finish parts in the main quest that you can't get back to. Pretty pissed about that. Wanted full strength storm call.

Are you certain? True; I gain the third Shout during the main Quest as a rule, but have never seen anything about being locked out of the other Word Walls.