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[Addai]

android654 wrote...
From the looks of it, I could spend 100 hours without touching the main campaign and still have a lot to do.

Easily!  But I recommend not doing everything on one character.  It sort of ruins the RP aspect, for me anyway.  The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild quests are some of the best IMO, and naturally work best on a thief/ assassin type of character.

[happy_daiz]

^ I do all of them for each character. I'm crazy that way. 

Modifié par happy_daiz, 16 mars 2012 - 09:36 .

[android654]

Addai67 wrote...

android654 wrote...
From the looks of it, I could spend 100 hours without touching the main campaign and still have a lot to do.

Easily!  But I recommend not doing everything on one character.  It sort of ruins the RP aspect, for me anyway.  The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild quests are some of the best IMO, and naturally work best on a thief/ assassin type of character.

That's how I plan to aproach it so I don't get too attached to this and not have time for TW2. The character I'm playing now is a pure warrior with a minor concentration in thievery. So she's joined the companions, still have a lot af side quests there, maybe enlist with the government and eliminate the stormcloaks, etc. The next one will by the inverse of her, thief with a few warrior perks and that one will probably stick with the storm cloaks and take over the kingdom.

[Giggles_Manically]

One issue I had with Skyrim was really...how empty all those titles you get dont matter.
You can be a Thane, War Hero, or a dozen other things...but you bump so much as one chicken while fighting a dragon and they try and kill you.

Dont get me wrong I LOVE Skyrim...but it has the same flaw that many Bethesda games have had.
They give you lots and lots of empty hats to wear that dont really do anything.

[Monica83]

There is in the new coming patch some nice implementations!

Ranged finishers..
Magic finishers..
More melee finishers..

[naughty99]

Addai67 wrote...

android654 wrote...
From the looks of it, I could spend 100 hours without touching the main campaign and still have a lot to do.

Easily!  But I recommend not doing everything on one character.  It sort of ruins the RP aspect, for me anyway.  The Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild quests are some of the best IMO, and naturally work best on a thief/ assassin type of character.

I've played three characters so far and tried to save some major questlines for future playthroughs. 

Still haven't touched Dark Brotherhood, Imperial Legion or most of the daedric quests. It seems each playthrough lasts around 150-200 hours and I make it up to around level 30 and start over with a new character.

[blaidfiste]

Good to see this thread still kickin on page 1. Elder Scrolls fans should easily be able to recognize the voice of Lani Minella. Link contains a ME3 spoiler

[naughty99]

blaidfiste wrote...

Elder Scrolls fans should easily be able to recognize the voice of Lani Minella.

I'm not sure anyone can recognize her voice, she is like a chameleon who can play so many different characters.

[R660]

Skyrim is soulless... it's beautiful, it's awe inspiring... but it's soulless. I can't care about the world or it's characters. The Dark Brotherhood gives me assignments, and I don't really give a damn who it is. The Dark Brotherhood gets destroyed and I don't really care, the Stormcloaks kill the Imperials, I can't really care, the Imperials kill the Stormcloaks, I don't give a damn. A guard took an arrow to the knee and I could care less. The only character I actually felt bad for was the Argonian from the Dark Brotherhood.

I remember Morrowind, back before a time of fancy graphics, and I really got into that game. I even bought the PC version just so I could mod it. I even cared where I put stuff in my house, on Skyrim I just walk in and throw my junk anywhere.

I want a remake of Morrowind. Don't touch the text, give me my spear, and just add some decent voice actors and breath taking graphics, you'll never see me again, I swear.

[blaidfiste]

naughty99 wrote...

blaidfiste wrote...

Elder Scrolls fans should easily be able to recognize the voice of Lani Minella.

I'm not sure anyone can recognize her voice, she is like a chameleon who can play so many different characters.

Not now ,,, not later ... not EVER!

[blaidfiste]

R660 wrote...

Skyrim is soulless... it's beautiful, it's awe inspiring... but it's soulless. I can't care about the world or it's characters. The Dark Brotherhood gives me assignments, and I don't really give a damn who it is. The Dark Brotherhood gets destroyed and I don't really care, the Stormcloaks kill the Imperials, I can't really care, the Imperials kill the Stormcloaks, I don't give a damn. A guard took an arrow to the knee and I could care less. The only character I actually felt bad for was the Argonian from the Dark Brotherhood.

I remember Morrowind, back before a time of fancy graphics, and I really got into that game. I even bought the PC version just so I could mod it. I even cared where I put stuff in my house, on Skyrim I just walk in and throw my junk anywhere.

I want a remake of Morrowind. Don't touch the text, give me my spear, and just add some decent voice actors and breath taking graphics, you'll never see me again, I swear.

I want the Morang Tong back.

[R660]

blaidfiste wrote...

R660 wrote...

Skyrim is soulless... it's beautiful, it's awe inspiring... but it's soulless. I can't care about the world or it's characters. The Dark Brotherhood gives me assignments, and I don't really give a damn who it is. The Dark Brotherhood gets destroyed and I don't really care, the Stormcloaks kill the Imperials, I can't really care, the Imperials kill the Stormcloaks, I don't give a damn. A guard took an arrow to the knee and I could care less. The only character I actually felt bad for was the Argonian from the Dark Brotherhood.

I remember Morrowind, back before a time of fancy graphics, and I really got into that game. I even bought the PC version just so I could mod it. I even cared where I put stuff in my house, on Skyrim I just walk in and throw my junk anywhere.

I want a remake of Morrowind. Don't touch the text, give me my spear, and just add some decent voice actors and breath taking graphics, you'll never see me again, I swear.

I want the Morang Tong back.

I just want my spear back...

[chunkyman]

R660 wrote...

Skyrim is soulless... it's beautiful, it's awe inspiring... but it's soulless. I can't care about the world or it's characters. The Dark Brotherhood gives me assignments, and I don't really give a damn who it is. The Dark Brotherhood gets destroyed and I don't really care, the Stormcloaks kill the Imperials, I can't really care, the Imperials kill the Stormcloaks, I don't give a damn. A guard took an arrow to the knee and I could care less. 

Well said.

   Skyrim was a dissapointment to me, it didn't suck me in like Oblivion and Morrowind did. I played Oblivion for thousands of hours before I started getting bored. Skyrim lasted maybe 100-200 before it got boring, and I haven't played it in a month.

[Addai]

I played a bit on my Dunmer male PC this weekend, checked out the new mods. Nothing really stood out so far. Mostly just waiting on expansion news so I can replay my Stormcloak character.

[chunkyman]

greengoron89 wrote...

Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that, chunky. You seemed like you were enjoying the hell out of it last time I was here.

I'm a bit shocked I'm saying that too lol.

I think the main problem I have with Skyrim is how magic has changed relative to previous games. Wizards usually make up 80-90% of my characters, but I simply can't have fun with them in Skyrim. Since I can't have fun playing my prefered character type, Skyrim quickly becomes boring for me. 

Why did they take out spell creation?!?! 

[R660]

chunkyman wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that, chunky. You seemed like you were enjoying the hell out of it last time I was here.

I'm a bit shocked I'm saying that too lol.

To be honest, I think we were all shocked with having to admit that.

[naughty99]

chunkyman wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Wow, I'm surprised to hear you say that, chunky. You seemed like you were enjoying the hell out of it last time I was here.

I'm a bit shocked I'm saying that too lol.

I think the main problem I have with Skyrim is how magic has changed relative to previous games. Wizards usually make up 80-90% of my characters, but I simply can't have fun with them in Skyrim. Since I can't have fun playing my prefered character type, Skyrim quickly becomes boring for me. 

Why did they take out spell creation?!?! 

I can understand why the lack of spellmaking altars is a hindrance, but in my case, I always played mages or mage hybrids for previous TES games and I'm enjoying the Skyrim magic gameplay a lot more. I really like that you have to discover and read spell tomes instead of just buying spells from merchants. 

Also, for the first time, i really enjoyed a few other types of character builds that don't use magic at all.

I don't think I could ever go back to playing Oblivion or Morrowind after playing Skyrim.

[Yrkoon]

R660 wrote...

To be honest, I think we were all shocked with having to admit that.

Gosh,   "ALL" would include me, yet I don't remember   hiring you to be my spokesman.  And I certainly don't recall  ever   professing the opinions you're claiming to be mine.

Allow me to speak for myself, now,  since I'm better at doing so than you.


To me, a game has a soul when  I can lose myself  in its depth.  And that's what Skyrim has.  Depth.  In just about every aspect.   Lets start with Crafting.  A soulless game  will half-ass  the crafting mechanic, making it a virtually meaningless one or two step process, easily forgettable.  Skyrim on the other hand, lets you hunt down animals to get their pelts, then  work in mines to gather ore.  Then it lets you take those ingredients and  refine them  into leather and ingots respectively.     After that, you can take those refined ingredients and smith them yourself into a piece of armor or weapon.   Then, it lets you improve those creations with  more crafting.  Then it lets you enchant them with magical qualities that you've learned to weave  in another, completely different, multi-step process.


Then there's the dungeons.  A souless game  slaps some interior maps together, ties in some random  ominous 'mood' music, then populates that dungeon with whatever foes  they can think up.  Skyrim, on the other hand, Blows the doors off the  entire status quo here, hand crafting unique  themes into hundreds of dungeons, caves, mines, and even Underground cities, all hand crafted, all different, all dripping with atmosphere, all containing their own story..

Then there's Character customization. A soulless game  flaunts its class limitations and rigid  class rules around  like a police badge.  Skyrim, on the other hand,  doesn't even HAVE classes. which means the player can literally customize his/her character any way they want.  Needless to say, this allows for near limitless combinations of skills and builds too numorous to mention  in a single post.

Then Characters.  In a souless game, 99% of the world's NPCs serve absolutely no purpose but   to be city  decoration.  Literally.  They either stand in one place and say nothing, ever, or they walk around and say ONE LINE.... and that's all.     The other  1% is fleshed out, thus making people like you forget all the rest and even convince yourself that this 1% is enough to redeem the soulless game as one with a soul and "wonderful story telling".  in Skyrim, the 99% is alive.  They comment on everything they see in front of  them.  They notice when you're wielding a flaming weapon.  They notice when you're diseased.  They react when you drop something on the ground in front of them.     They have homes and jobs.  You can shadow them and watch their  varied and realistic daily routines.

And of course, this is merely the tip of the iceberg.  We can talk about quests if you wish.    Someone  (you I believe) mentioned the Dark Brotherhood.  So lets start with that.  I'm willing to stack the Dark Brotherhood quest line up against ANY quest-based Story line Bioware has written in the last  5 years.  So go ahead, pick one and lets do a detailed comparison.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 19 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[Mercannis]

Eh well..i think they are on the right path with Skyrim. They should build on this for future releases, i for one dont want to go back to Morrowind i want to see progression. Give it 10 years ,the game mechanics and story will catch up with the new meaty graphics.

[happy_daiz]

naughty99 wrote...

blaidfiste wrote...

Elder Scrolls fans should easily be able to recognize the voice of Lani Minella.

I'm not sure anyone can recognize her voice, she is like a chameleon who can play so many different characters.

I had to look Lani Minella up on IMDB, but once I saw that she was the female Dunmer voice, I then wondered if she was the one who voiced Eve (female Krogan) in ME3. Sure enough, she was. I knew Eve sounded familiar! That woman has done a crazy amount of voice acting!

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[R660]

Yrkoon wrote...

R660 wrote...

To be honest, I think we were all shocked with having to admit that.

Gosh,   "ALL" would include me, yet I don't remember   hiring you to be my spokesman.  And I certainly don't recall  ever   professing the opinions you're claiming to be mine.

Allow me to speak for myself, now,  since I'm better at doing so than you.


To me, a game has a soul when  I can lose myself  in its depth.  And that's what Skyrim has.  Depth.  In just about every aspect.   Lets start with Crafting.  A soulless game  will half-ass  the crafting mechanic, making it a virtually meaningless one or two step process, easily forgettable.  Skyrim on the other hand, lets you hunt down animals to get their pelts, then  work in mines to gather ore.  Then it lets you take those ingredients and  refine them  into leather and ingots respectively.     After that, you can take those refined ingredients and smith them yourself into a piece of armor or weapon.   Then, it lets you improve those creations with  more crafting.  Then it lets you enchant them with magical qualities that you've learned to weave  in another, completely different, multi-step process.


Then there's the dungeons.  A souless game  slaps some interior maps together, ties in some random  ominous 'mood' music, then populates that dungeon with whatever foes  they can think up.  Skyrim, on the other hand, Blows the doors off the  entire status quo here, hand crafting unique  themes into hundreds of dungeons, caves, mines, and even Underground cities, all hand crafted, all different, all dripping with atmosphere, all containing their own story..

Then there's Character customization. A soulless game  flaunts its class limitations and rigid  class rules around  like a police badge.  Skyrim, on the other hand,  doesn't even HAVE classes. which means the player can literally customize his/her character any way they want.  Needless to say, this allows for near limitless combinations of skills and builds too numorous to mention  in a single post.

Then Characters.  In a souless game, 99% of the world's NPCs serve absolutely no purpose but   to be city  decoration.  Literally.  They either stand in one place and say nothing, ever, or they walk around and say ONE LINE.... and that's all.     The other  1% is fleshed out, thus making people like you forget all the rest and even convince yourself that this 1% is enough to redeem the soulless game as one with a soul and "wonderful story telling".  in Skyrim, the 99% is alive.  They comment on everything they see in front of  them.  They notice when you're wielding a flaming weapon.  They notice when you're diseased.  They react when you drop something on the ground in front of them.     They have homes and jobs.  You can shadow them and watch their  varied and realistic daily routines.

And of course, this is merely the tip of the iceberg.  We can talk about quests if you wish.    Someone  (you I believe) mentioned the Dark Brotherhood.  So lets start with that.  I'm willing to stack the Dark Brotherhood quest line up against ANY quest-based Story line Bioware has written in the last  5 years.  So go ahead, pick one and lets do a detailed comparison.

Wow, you're a touchy one aren't you?

[happy_daiz]

greengoron89 wrote...

I've always favored playing the ol' sword-and-board warrior, myself. Only rarely experimented with magic in any TES game (or any RPG in general), and never liked it much.

Skyrim opened up a new opportunity for me in a stealth/warrior hybrid, however - the stealth gameplay is a major step up from previous TES games, and I find myself slitting throats with my dagger as much as I do chopping off heads with my axe.

More than either of those, though, is my trusty bow. Archery is also much improved over other TES games - can't tell you how many bandits and draugrs I've sniped with it. Probably more than sword and dagger kills combined.

Plus, dem Shouts. Never get old.

I'm with naughty on this one - I think Oblivion at least is dead to me. I might fire up Morrowind again sometime just for old time's sake, but beyond that, Skyrim is top dog (until TESVI, perhaps).

I thought magic would be my wild card in Skyrim, but I find that I prefer stealthily sniping with my trusty bow. Despite whatever class I plan for each of my characters, though, I always go back to using Illusion spells for muffling my sound, or causing random frenzy or fear. To me, Illusion is a must-have skillset. Even my 2-handed Nord warrior used Illusion, right before sneaking up on peeps and bludgeoning them to death.


I can take or leave the other schools of magic.

And Marked for Death...I wish you could use that in every game. Along with VATS.

I could never go back to Oblivion. I tried to pick it up again right before Skyrim came out, just for nostalgia's sake, or practice, or something, and the awful menu system was the final nail in the coffin. I played Morrowind for about an hour. Total. I admit, I'm a graphics snob. I just couldn't do it, because it looked awful.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 19 mars 2012 - 07:07 .