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I've only really got into Skyrim, and ignored the other TES games,so don't crucify me when I ask this. What exactly happened to the Dwarves/Dwemer?


Here, take a look at this:

elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Red_Mountain_%28Book%29#Content

There's really not a whole lot of information on the subject, as you can imagine - they simply vanished into thin air, likely as a result of abusing the Heart of Lorkhan.

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android654 wrote...

I've only really got into Skyrim, and ignored the other TES games,so don't crucify me when I ask this. What exactly happened to the Dwarves/Dwemer?


The dwarves had the souls of their entire race absorbed into the divine skin of the giant construct, Numidium, as a way to turn their entire race into God. This coming from the premise in Tamrielic creation myths that says the gods continued to live in Nirn by being parents to the mortal races. The Dwemer wanted to reverse that.

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True, but that doesn't mean they aren't the Dwemer. The Dwemer vanished and nobody knows what became of them.


Not knowing the fate of dwarves doesn't prove your point that it's not false.

If you're hoping for some subjective probability that Bethesda intended that, the game series' historical evidence states otherwise that you can quantitatively say nil.

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As for the Empire - I understand the Empire remains weakened either way, but siding with the Stormcloaks at this time just feels like a big mistake, and would obviously result in an even weaker Empire as it would cut them off to Skyrim's numerous resources. There needs to be some form of unity among the people of Tamriel - unity Ulfric and the Stormcloaks can't seem to inspire in anyone but the Nords.

The problem with empires is that if the head is weak and/or corrupt, you're pouring all those resources down the drain- into a vortex that is dragging the whole thing down.

The energy of protecting humanity's independence has moved north now.  Hammerfell and Skyrim, not Cyrodiil.  Once Cyrodiil embarked on an appeasement route, they became the weak flank.  I hope they turn themselves around, and if losing all their provinces doesn't wake them up then nothing will.

Whatever happens, I really hope there's not an empire 2.0.  Boring.

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android654 wrote...

I've only really got into Skyrim, and ignored the other TES games,so don't crucify me when I ask this. What exactly happened to the Dwarves/Dwemer?


The disappearance of the Dwemer has lead to many theories, but none of them have been officially proven. Lord Kagrenac created Kagrenac's Tools to tap into the power from the Heart of Lorkhan - Lorkhan was the deity who is credited for convincing the other cosmic entities into creating Mundus (the reality of the Elder Scrolls games), and was punished for deceiving the other deities (the original spirits - called the Et'Ada) by being ripped apart - hence, the "Heart of Lorkhan" that was central to the storyline in Morrowind.

Kagrenac tapping into the Heart of Lorkhan seems to have caused the disappearance of the Dwemer, leaving only Yagrum Bagarn left, since he was travelling the "Outter Realms" when the Dwemer disappeared. It is noted that ash appeared next to Dwemer armor and weapons, and one of the quests in the College of Winterhold supports that the Heart of Lorkhan lead to their disappearance.

According to the book "Chimarvamidium," the Dwemer could communicate telepathically and connect to each other mentally, which could be connected to how Kagrenac was able to tap into the Heart and lead to every Dwemer disappearing from the face of Mundus.

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Necromancy is severely underpowered in Skyrim. I wish there was a way to use reanimation spells beyond level 40. hmph. I suppose it is to compensate for the annoying ashes piles.

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android654 wrote...

I've only really got into Skyrim, and ignored the other TES games,so don't crucify me when I ask this. What exactly happened to the Dwarves/Dwemer?


The disappearance of the Dwemer has lead to many theories, but none of them have been officially proven. Lord Kagrenac created Kagrenac's Tools to tap into the power from the Heart of Lorkhan - Lorkhan was the deity who is credited for convincing the other cosmic entities into creating Mundus (the reality of the Elder Scrolls games), and was punished for deceiving the other deities (the original spirits - called the Et'Ada) by being ripped apart - hence, the "Heart of Lorkhan" that was central to the storyline in Morrowind.

Kagrenac tapping into the Heart of Lorkhan seems to have caused the disappearance of the Dwemer, leaving only Yagrum Bagarn left, since he was travelling the "Outter Realms" when the Dwemer disappeared. It is noted that ash appeared next to Dwemer armor and weapons, and one of the quests in the College of Winterhold supports that the Heart of Lorkhan lead to their disappearance.

According to the book "Chimarvamidium," the Dwemer could communicate telepathically and connect to each other mentally, which could be connected to how Kagrenac was able to tap into the Heart and lead to every Dwemer disappearing from the face of Mundus.


If you have Morrowind, then look up the Egg of Time, Divine Metaphysics, and the Hanging Gardens of Coridale. Baladas will give a good explaination if you are friendly with the Televanni.

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I just don't feel right about cutting the Empire out of the loop right now - it makes my Spidey senses tingle big time. I certainly don't approve of everything the Empire has done, but the Stormcloaks don't feel like the right pick anymore - they're too hot-headed and Nord-centric. I mean, just as soon as the Civil War is over, they're gearing up for a war with the Dominion, and it's just too soon for that - and without inspiring a little loyalty from the other races of Skyrim, that army they're training won't last long even if an alliance with Hammerfell is formed.

Sorry, but when the Great War, part deux comes around, the different nations must stand together - and even with all that's been allowed to happen, the Empire is still the best bet for that. Even Hammerfell and Skyrim will have to see that when the house of cards that is the White-Gold Concordat falls apart and the war reignites.

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greengoron89 wrote...

I just don't feel right about cutting the Empire out of the loop right now - it makes my Spidey senses tingle big time. I certainly don't approve of everything the Empire has done, but the Stormcloaks don't feel like the right pick anymore - they're too hot-headed and Nord-centric. Even as soon a the Civil War is over, they're gearing up for a war with the Dominion, and it's just too soon for that - and without inspiring a little loyalty from the other races of Skyrim, that army they're training won't last long even if an alliance with Hammerfell is formed.

Sorry, but when the Great War, part deux comes around, the different nations must stand together - and even with all that'ss been allowed to happen, the Empire is still the best bet for that. Even Hammerfell and Skyrim will have to see that when the house of cards that is the White-Gold Concordat falls apart and the war reignites.


I have always been a supporter of the Emperor and the Empire. I would die to put a strong man back on the throne.

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greengoron89 wrote...

I just don't feel right about cutting the Empire out of the loop right now - it makes my Spidey senses tingle big time. I certainly don't approve of everything the Empire has done, but the Stormcloaks don't feel like the right pick anymore - they're too hot-headed and Nord-centric. I mean, just as soon as the Civil War is over, they're gearing up for a war with the Dominion, and it's just too soon for that - and without inspiring a little loyalty from the other races of Skyrim, that army they're training won't last long even if an alliance with Hammerfell is formed.

Sorry, but when the Great War, part deux comes around, the different nations must stand together - and even with all that's been allowed to happen, the Empire is still the best bet for that. Even Hammerfell and Skyrim will have to see that when the house of cards that is the White-Gold Concordat falls apart and the war reignites.

They should be gearing up- Skyrim needs to be on martial footing.  However Ulfric says that his biggest worry is that the Dominion will strike before they're ready, so he knows they aren't there yet.

The empire is gone, and good riddance.  Cyrodiil being so weak has done nothing but lead humanity further down the path of Dominion control as they flail around, using their provinces as bartering chips to save themselves.  I agree that the non-aligned nations need to work together, but they can do that best when they're free of a dying, corrupt imperial government.

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Does anyone know what causes the permanent werewolf glitch? I recently became a member of the Companions, got the Ring of Hiricine (along with the Savior's Hide), became a werewolf, but never really used the powers. I noticed when I started using it recently that it seems to leave me in a permanent werewolf state, and it doesn't change back to normal - even if I don't feed. Is anyone familiar with what causes this? Do I need to repeat the Companions Questline in order to avoid this?

Also, my character became the Guildmaster for the Thieves Guild, but I haven't seen any dialogue to resolve the random thief attacks peacefully. There's never an option to say that my character is a member of the Guild, a Nightingale, or the Guildmaster. I ended up completing the TG questline prior to adding the patch, so I'm not certain if that's a factor in this.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I think the ring of Hircine randomly transforms the player into a werewolf. The only way to get rid of this is complete Hircine's quest and the ring will be removed from you.

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Does anyone know anything about DLC? All I've heard is something called Dawnguard and some other wild rumors (I doubt those are true), any news about any announcements coming soon or something? Any credible rumors or anything at all? I just want to know what's next.

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Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Does anyone know anything about DLC? All I've heard is something called Dawnguard and some other wild rumors (I doubt those are true), any news about any announcements coming soon or something? Any credible rumors or anything at all? I just want to know what's next.

Only Dawnguard trademark and speculations on what it could be.

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I heard of Dawnguard, too. It's worth noting that 'Skyrim' was outed with trademarking as well. Hoping it involves the Thalmor, although I'd love to see the Thalmor ordeal be resolved in The Elder Scrolls VI: Black Marsh.

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I'm expecting a future TES game to deal with the return of the Dwemer - an event that will not be as wondrous as starry-eyed scholars might think. All evidence points to the Dwemer having been a ruthless and overly ambitious race, and their return would likely result in complete pandemonium.

As for the Empire - I understand the Empire remains weakened either way, but siding with the Stormcloaks at this time just feels like a big mistake, and would obviously result in an even weaker Empire as it would cut them off to Skyrim's numerous resources. There needs to be some form of unity among the people of Tamriel - unity Ulfric and the Stormcloaks can't seem to inspire in anyone but the Nords.



A large force of Dwemers(who have become more powefull/twisted/and mabe half mechanized) with Falmers at their side, also automotons and brainwashed slaves.
Sounds good enough for me.


Falmer at their side? The Falmer were at war with the Dwemer. I doubt they would fight at their side, after what the Dwemer (supposedly?) have done to them.

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Addai67 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I just don't feel right about cutting the Empire out of the loop right now - it makes my Spidey senses tingle big time. I certainly don't approve of everything the Empire has done, but the Stormcloaks don't feel like the right pick anymore - they're too hot-headed and Nord-centric. I mean, just as soon as the Civil War is over, they're gearing up for a war with the Dominion, and it's just too soon for that - and without inspiring a little loyalty from the other races of Skyrim, that army they're training won't last long even if an alliance with Hammerfell is formed.

Sorry, but when the Great War, part deux comes around, the different nations must stand together - and even with all that's been allowed to happen, the Empire is still the best bet for that. Even Hammerfell and Skyrim will have to see that when the house of cards that is the White-Gold Concordat falls apart and the war reignites.

They should be gearing up- Skyrim needs to be on martial footing.  However Ulfric says that his biggest worry is that the Dominion will strike before they're ready, so he knows they aren't there yet.

The empire is gone, and good riddance.  Cyrodiil being so weak has done nothing but lead humanity further down the path of Dominion control as they flail around, using their provinces as bartering chips to save themselves.  I agree that the non-aligned nations need to work together, but they can do that best when they're free of a dying, corrupt imperial government.

Imperials? Stormcloaks? Sod them all. Their only worth is to feed my blade. The Age of the Orcs has come.

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Addai67 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I just don't feel right about cutting the Empire out of the loop right now - it makes my Spidey senses tingle big time. I certainly don't approve of everything the Empire has done, but the Stormcloaks don't feel like the right pick anymore - they're too hot-headed and Nord-centric. I mean, just as soon as the Civil War is over, they're gearing up for a war with the Dominion, and it's just too soon for that - and without inspiring a little loyalty from the other races of Skyrim, that army they're training won't last long even if an alliance with Hammerfell is formed.

Sorry, but when the Great War, part deux comes around, the different nations must stand together - and even with all that's been allowed to happen, the Empire is still the best bet for that. Even Hammerfell and Skyrim will have to see that when the house of cards that is the White-Gold Concordat falls apart and the war reignites.

They should be gearing up- Skyrim needs to be on martial footing.  However Ulfric says that his biggest worry is that the Dominion will strike before they're ready, so he knows they aren't there yet.

The empire is gone, and good riddance.  Cyrodiil being so weak has done nothing but lead humanity further down the path of Dominion control as they flail around, using their provinces as bartering chips to save themselves.  I agree that the non-aligned nations need to work together, but they can do that best when they're free of a dying, corrupt imperial government.


Both the Empire and Stormcloaks despise the Thalmor - they're both just approaching the situation in different ways, and I can understand and sympathize with both sides.

But in the end, this is a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't - my instincts are telling me that siding with Ulfric is a mistake. Defeating the Aldmeri Dominion requires a high level of patience and temperance that the Stormcloaks lack, and also an ability to play nice with other races (which the Stormcloaks also lack).

I don't like the Empire's arrangement with the Thalmor or going turncoat on my former comrades, but it's a necessary evil - the Empire must live, no what condition it might be in at the moment. It has to rebuild and prepare itself accordingly for the inevitable failure of the White-Gold Concordat, and it can only do that if Skyrim remains an Imperial province.

This is a sudden and surprising change of heart for me, but I can no longer in good conscience support the Stormcloaks, knowing the huge risks involved with doing so. I'll be heading to Solitude to join the Legion - a united Empire is better for everyone (LOL).

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I don't like the Empire's arrangement with the Thalmor or going turncoat on my former comrades, but it's a necessary evil - the Empire must live, no what condition it might be in at the moment. It has to rebuild and prepare itself accordingly for the inevitable failure of the White-Gold Concordat, and it can only do that if Skyrim remains an Imperial province.

No it doesn't.  Cyrodiil needs to learn to function on its own without bleeding its neighbors dry or riding on its "manifest destiny" to rule the continent.  That's going to ruin everyone.  They are clearly not up to the task any longer.

But, have fun storming the castle.  Image IPB

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I think the ring of Hircine randomly transforms the player into a werewolf. The only way to get rid of this is complete Hircine's quest and the ring will be removed from you.


I already completed "Ill Met by Moonlight," but when my character transforms into a werewolf, he never reverts back to normal form (unless I use the 'wait' option, as I recently discovered). I was wondering if this was a result of the fact that I started this game prior to uploading the patches, and have now patched the game. I know people have said that, sometimes, they have experienced the 'permanent werewolf glitch,' but this is persistently happening every time I have the character transform.

Also, none of the thieves that you randomly met on the road acknowledge that my character is in the Thieves Guild. I had completed the Thieves Guild Questline prior to uploading the patches (because, at the time, dragons were flying backwards and the bookshelves were inaccessible), but it's an annoyance I would like to try to rectify (if possible).

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Ulfric thinks he's in control of Skyrim, but really, I am. That man is my *****. Poor guy thinks he's tough stuff, and I let him have some power, but that's it. Skyrim is mine.

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Ulfric thinks he's in control of Skyrim, but really, I am. That man is my *****. Poor guy thinks he's tough stuff, and I let him have some power, but that's it. Skyrim is mine.


I Killed him and raised him as my thrall. Now he serves the empire in undeath. He died when I impaled him on my Runeblade.Image IPB 

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Sajji wrote...

Ulfric thinks he's in control of Skyrim, but really, I am. That man is my *****. Poor guy thinks he's tough stuff, and I let him have some power, but that's it. Skyrim is mine.

Well that's obvious, but you can let him do all the work while you go catch butterflies.  :D

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Sajji wrote...

Ulfric thinks he's in control of Skyrim, but really, I am. That man is my *****. Poor guy thinks he's tough stuff, and I let him have some power, but that's it. Skyrim is mine.


I Killed him and raised him as my thrall. Now he serves the empire in undeath. He died when I impaled him on my Runeblade.Image IPB 


LOL. Are you serious? That's pretty morbid - yet hilarious at the same time.

I did display General Tullius' outfit on a mannequin in Hjerim once, as a trophy - that's about as grim a thing as I've ever done.

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Addai67 wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Ulfric thinks he's in control of Skyrim, but really, I am. That man is my *****. Poor guy thinks he's tough stuff, and I let him have some power, but that's it. Skyrim is mine.

Well that's obvious, but you can let him do all the work while you go catch butterflies.  :D

Hey...  Catching butterflies is serious business.  At least once per week I'll devote an entire playing session to gathering butterfly wings, flowers, and mushrooms.   Then I turn them into potions.  Then turn those into  $$$.

Ulfric may be able to successfully lead the stormcloaks to a military victory, but my Nord can buy the Imperial legion

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