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[Elhanan]

Haplose wrote...

Thank you very much for all the helpfull advice. I'll try to pay more attention to the environments :-)

Hopefully that helps, at least a bit (I know it was sometimes helpfull against singular bosses, at least).

You're welcome!

And while it is well known, an arrow down a hallway will work to distract ot lure opponents. In several dungeons, one of my fave activities is to use this and the Throw Voice Shout to lure foes into their own traps - esp those spring loaded spiked doors - and have them eliminate themselves. Use those arrows on some hanging lanterns above the oil slicked pools, and watch skeletons and mages alike cease to to be problems. In some areas, those bear traps may be re-set repeatedly; capturing one clueless guard after another.

The Stealth Archer is my fave design, and it will go a long way to improve many others. With my 2H Orc, the enjoyment gained when foes realize that closing to melee may not have been the best idea was worth the price of this GOTY itself.

Modifié par Elhanan, 09 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[Yrkoon]

^ Bear traps are a discussion in themselves. You can more than just reset Bear traps. You can drag and drop them where you want.

On a few occasions you'll enter a cavern or room in a dungeon with multiple bear traps. A stealth build can truly take advantage of this.; creating a painful column leading to himself for any enemy.  Or, you can place them in a circle around yourself then make yourself visible... then wait for the mobs to try and surround you.

You can also supplement them with a Rune spell.   or a Rune spell and shots from your bow...  So lets recap.    You see an enemy in the distance and 3 bear traps.  You move the bear traps into a column in front of you and then place a lightning rune  amongst them.  You then  fire an arrow at the enemy with your bow then unstealth.   Enemy charges you, gets hit by every bear trap and the lightning rune.  his health bar is now 3/4 gone.  he gets to you... you unsheath your dagger and hit him once.  he dies.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 09 mai 2012 - 03:38 .

[LPPrince]

My character is a heavy armor guy. Thing is, I put enough points into it so the armor doesn't weigh him down. That plus stealth and a bow makes for fun time gameplay.

[Barbarossa2010]

All this comparison of Skyrim to other games just makes me want to head desk.  People come into a thread to tell us all how over-rated Skyrim is...well...yes, yes, we get it, your tastes are so much more profound and refined than us plebes who actually prefer the thing you don't.  WTF-ever.

Ahh, why bother arguing the gross subjectiveness of preferences and opinions.  Skyrim blew the doors off the gaming world and proved that at least one developer still has it's soul intact, and will still fall all over themselves to give their fans exactly what they want, and more, in a completely immersive world with player freedom as it's highest virtue.  That's good enough for me, as that plays best to MY (and apparently many other's) preferences.

Tom Francis in his PC Gamer review said it best:  "...the freedom is dizzying..." 
"The games we normally call open worlds – the locked off cities and level-restricted grinding grounds – don’t compare to this. While everyone else is faffing around with how to control and restrict the player, Bethesda just put a f-in country in a box. It’s the best open world game I’ve ever played, the most liberating RPG I’ve ever played, and one of my favourite places in this or any other world."

Having wasted too much time on this, I'll just say:



...and leave it at that.

[LPPrince]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

All this comparison of Skyrim to other games just makes me want to head desk.  People come into a thread to tell us all how over-rated Skyrim is...well...yes, yes, we get it, your tastes are so much more profound and refined than us plebes who actually prefer the thing you don't.  WTF-ever. 

Now you know how bronies feel. Hahaha

We in the MLP thread share your pain.

We also share all the love for Skyrim.

[Giggles_Manically]

Skyrim is not simply a game where we are told a story.
Its where we get to tell a story.

My imperial plays far differently than my Orc, who is different from my Breton.
I will take that amount of freedom over defined characters, and rail roading any day.

[LPPrince]

Skyrim is like DAO's origin stories, only unlimited and unrestricted.

[Barbarossa2010]

Yeah, I agree. The storytelling in Skyrim is very underated. From the main questline which I thought was incredibly well done, and actually had an "ending," to the civil war questline running in parallel, which really had no clear right choice-each having you question whether you had done the "right" thing or not; to the many underlying stories that form a quality backdrop to the missions your doing (The Companions, and things like Gaulder's Legend); to what I call the residual storytelling of something like Dwemer Ruins with their still functioning ancient technology. I honestly don't get what the story critics are getting at.

Skyrim's a huge game, with events and story elements designed to happen as the player sees fit to unveil them; so, of course, pacing is not going to be the equivalent of these short interactive movies we're starting to get in games these days. Skyrim requires the player to actually have a memory, use it, and not expect their gratification to be given immediately. Egad, the horror of it all.

The stories themselves are fine and are fully fleshed out if you actually get out, talk to folks, explore and read a f-in book every so often.

[LPPrince]

Games are trying too hard to be movies.

Skyrim shows that a game can be good without trying to be cinematic.

[happy_daiz]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

*snip*

The stories themselves are fine and are fully fleshed out if you actually get out, talk to folks, explore and read a f-in book every so often.

 You're absolutely right.

And sadly, I didn't read a single book in my first playthrough, because there were so many, and I was overwhelmed. I do now, though! In fact, there are some that I like to re-read, because I like them so much.

[Barbarossa2010]

^I've made it my mission in this playthrough to collect and actually read every book in the game. I have a mod that allows that much book storage, so I'm only going to be limited by my enthusiasm to find them all.

What's incredible to me is the story elements that are actually contained in torn notes, scraps of paper, and journals.

I agree with you, first time in Skyrim, the sheer volume of literature was overwhelming; especially when you're trying to balance finding and reading it all, with things like leveling skills, managing inventory, and becoming functional at crafting.

[happy_daiz]

Yep, exactly. I'm rolling a pure mage (with a little bit of archery) on this run, so I'm kind of taking things a little slower than I normally would. Stopping to catch butterflies, smelling the mountain flowers, admiring the sky, and reading the books all kind of fall perfectly in line with that mentality.

It feels much less hectic than the first few runs, anyway. More peaceful, somehow.

[Dutchess]

Especially some of the more unique skill books have cool stories. I remember one for lockpicking and one for archery I thought were very good.

[Giggles_Manically]

One thing I LOVE about Skyrim is all the things you can do just for fun.

My main file explored everything so he just takes odd jobs from the companions, goes hunting around Whiterun, sells some stuff to merchants and does not do anything to crazy.

How many other RPGs just let you take a relaxing break and go hunting and stay home like that?

[RedArmyShogun]

LPPrince wrote...

My character is a heavy armor guy. Thing is, I put enough points into it so the armor doesn't weigh him down. That plus stealth and a bow makes for fun time gameplay.

Thats what I did actully.

[LPPrince]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

My character is a heavy armor guy. Thing is, I put enough points into it so the armor doesn't weigh him down. That plus stealth and a bow makes for fun time gameplay.

Thats what I did actully.

On top of that, half-fall damage. Total win.

I go down The Throat of the World the fast way- jumping off down the side closest to Whiterun.

[Barbarossa2010]

@Giggles:

This too! I have much less compulsion to take on many, or even complete, missions quickly in this run. I spend time scavaging, hunting, and doing things to earn gold, more than anything else.

For example, one of my current pastimes is to collect iron and steel weapons, and instead of just selling them outright, take them over to my enchanting table and throw a quick enchantment on it with a petty soul, to increase it's value twenty-fold. Which, in turn, lead to me spending alot of time hunting with my soul capture weapons to harvest animal souls to fill up my pettys and lessers.

Once this gets old, I'll move on to something like jewelry making (and sell that for gold), then move on to diving back into Draugr barrows again, then move on to hunting Forsworn. There's literally an endless amount of activity, depending on your motivations.

I'm still so far behind in story progress, I've only completed one Blade's mission and still only have a single home (Breezehome) after 110 hours on this run; but I've modded it so much, that I really don't even really need or want another. But yeah, relaxing and doing things as the mood strikes is (to me at least) why Skyrim is 100% pure win, and one of the many reasons I'll be playing it for years.

EDIT: 'd.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 09 mai 2012 - 06:50 .

[LPPrince]

I want to know- am I the only one who likes to traverse Skyrim on foot, rather than fast traveling all the time or using a horse?

Shadowmere is win, but I like taking my time traveling alone.

[Giggles_Manically]

It gets REALLY old after a while.
I mean when i get a quest I drop myself right on top of it once random encounters lose their meaning.

I dont even use a horse since they die so easily and I cant fight on horseback.

[Dutchess]

LPPrince wrote...

I want to know- am I the only one who likes to traverse Skyrim on foot, rather than fast traveling all the time or using a horse?

Shadowmere is win, but I like taking my time traveling alone.

You're not the only one. In the beginning I fast travelled a lot, but with my latest characters I have walked pretty much every distance. Especially with mods for trees, grass, water and lighting, the world looks so amazing I keep drooling over my notebook while I walk around.

[fightright2]

happy_daiz wrote...

Yep, exactly. I'm rolling a pure mage (with a little bit of archery) on this run, so I'm kind of taking things a little slower than I normally would. Stopping to catch butterflies, smelling the mountain flowers, admiring the sky, and reading the books all kind of fall perfectly in line with that mentality.

It feels much less hectic than the first few runs, anyway. More peaceful, somehow.

That's how I been playing mine. Still on the same one. I read everything and collect everything and save up money and items to the point of having to sell because I have way too many of the same thing or no where to put it.

In Morrowind, I had stash caves because I had so much I couldn't put it anywhere else.
I miss the lock spell.
Nothing like locking out a homeowner out of his own chest till I could lighten my load to come back for later.

[LPPrince]

renjility wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

I want to know- am I the only one who likes to traverse Skyrim on foot, rather than fast traveling all the time or using a horse?

Shadowmere is win, but I like taking my time traveling alone.

You're not the only one. In the beginning I fast travelled a lot, but with my latest characters I have walked pretty much every distance. Especially with mods for trees, grass, water and lighting, the world looks so amazing I keep drooling over my notebook while I walk around.

I purposely don't travel with Shadowmere because I don't want a dragon to kill her.

SHE'S A MARE DAMN IT, I DON'T CARE WHAT SKYRIM TRIES TO TELL ME. SHE'S A MARE AND ANYONE WHO CALLS HER A STALLION IS BAD AND SHOULD FEEL BAD. DO YOU SEE A PENOR UNDER THERE!? NO!?

GOOD.

[happy_daiz]

^

I'm not even sure what to say to that. I honestly didn't look. I mean...it's a horse. Yikes!

Yes, so...back to books. I wandered into Dead Men's Respite last night, and got the last verse of King Olaf. I was surprised that the events unfolded without the quest being active yet, but yay! I tromped over to Solitude, and Viarmo thought my Dunmer was the shiz for being so well prepared.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 09 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[RedArmyShogun]

LPPrince wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

My character is a heavy armor guy. Thing is, I put enough points into it so the armor doesn't weigh him down. That plus stealth and a bow makes for fun time gameplay.

Thats what I did actully.

On top of that, half-fall damage. Total win.

I go down The Throat of the World the fast way- jumping off down the side closest to Whiterun.

Hmm I'll need to try that.

As to Foot Travel. I do when I do travel, on the one hand horses are nice to use. But they drop like flies or always try to fight what you are. Shadowmere is an exception but I tend to fast travel to a save area then leave it to go look around. Plus I kinda felt bad using the horse while my companion or wife runs behind me on foot. Makes my PC look like a total dick. Be nice if companions could ride horses too or if you could fight from them.