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[Addai]

chunkyman wrote...

Meh, I agree with Lucos. Skyrim feels like a vast ocean only 3 inches deep.

New Vegas is sooo much easier to roleplay in. Even minor quests have multiple endings and paths to take, as well as affecting the reactions the various factions have towards you.

Fine, another game I love dearly, and I don't mind discussing Skyrim's weaknesses as we have done on this thread many times.  I myself have said that reward and consequence is the game's biggest weakness and that the setup of the civil war and guild quest lines was better than the payoff.

All that is well and good, as long as one is not trying to pretend that the Witcher games have no flaws or represent one's opinions as ironclad fact, or go on for pages and pages about it.  Lucos also apparently hasn't the first clue about TES games, such as questioning my assertion that they're lore-deep.

[Addai]

Luc0s wrote...

Yeah, well, I don't think TES games are lore deep. At least that's not the impression TES games gave me. Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game. I didn't find muh lore in Skyrim. The lore that I did find, was pretty shallow, predictable and not deep at all. But of course, this is all merely my opinion.

Let me give you a pop quiz.  No cheating.

Is there Aldmeri resistance to Thalmor rule?  What is the attitude of the Bosmer and Khajiit to the Aldmeri Dominion?
What events have transpired in Hammerfell during the time since the White Gold Concordat was signed?
Which daedra has a conversation with a Septim emperor and what TES game does their conversation recall?
What prophecy sets the stage for both the civil war and the main quest line of Skyrim and which faction guards this prophecy?
What is an Elder Scroll, according to various theories discussed in the game?
Which race created the Azura shrine and why?
Who created the Way of the Voice philosophy and why?
What famous figure of Tamrielic history is sought by the ghost at Old Hroldan and how does his address to the dovahkiin suggest something metaphysical about the dragonborn's identity?

I could go on, but let's see how you do with these.  No cheating, remember.  Wiki not allowed.

[Elhanan]

Luc0s wrote...

There is no 'rule'. I simply pointed out how I think about roleplaying in Skyrim and how the world doesn't react to it.

Okay yes, I admit that there is SOME reaction and interaction between you and the world in Skyrim, but Chunky said it best: Skyrim feels like a vast ocean only 3 inches deep.

16 sqare miles times 3" seems like a whole lot in volume, to me.

Thing is, over the past several pages you have offered your opinion repeatedly as fact; because this was your take on the game and RPG's, it is so. And this is what I personally dislike, as I am guessing, so do some others.

Fine. Skyrim 'depth' needs to improve. I have said as much about the writing a few times, and I hope that they will do so in future products. I also hope that some other well written products consider the quality of game mechanics that was done here, and allow for this in their game, too.

[slimgrin]

Enough Luc0s, come on. This is a thread devoted to Skyrim, not one for dissecting it. It's a fan thread.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 mai 2012 - 10:46 .

[Yrkoon]

Luc0s wrote...
 Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game.

Lulz.

Do you even know what Lore is?   A game world's lore is background.  It is behind the scenes content  by definition

jesus.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mai 2012 - 11:33 .

[slimgrin]

Yrkoon wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
 Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game.

Lulz.

Do you even know what Lore is?   A game world's lore, is background.  It is behind the scenes content  by definition

jesus.

Right when I keep the peace you step in.

I'm out.

[Yrkoon]

Luc0s wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
 Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game.

Lulz.

Do you even know what Lore is?   A game world's lore is background.  It is behind the scenes content  by definition

jesus.

Oh really?


Lore (lôr, lr) 
n.
1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject. See Synonyms at knowledge.
2. Knowledge acquired through education or experience.
3. Archaic Material taught or learned.



I see 3 definitions of lore. Not one of them has anything to do with what you just said.

Shut up and get your facts straight before you open your mouth next time.

LOL

ALL 3 confirm what I have said.    Gained knowledge, traditions,  and beliefs do not represent the  physical, gameplay, 'surface"  things  in a video game.   Instead,  They're ALL things  that exist in the  background or "behind the scenes" in order to add weight and meaning to game play

For example,  Mehrunes Dagon's Dagger is a physical object you can   see, acquire, and play with in the game.   its LORE, however, is relegated to  the background - Information existing behind the scenes, under the surface, in an Historian's mind, or in the motivations of those who revere it. etc.

Duh.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 20 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[Sajji]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Stop feeding the troll.

[RedArmyShogun]

Oh jesus....and so it begins again.

[Sigma Tauri]

Luc0s wrote...

Oh really?


Lore (lôr, lr) 
n.
1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject. See Synonyms at knowledge.
2. Knowledge acquired through education or experience.
3. Archaic Material taught or learned.



I see 3 definitions of lore. Not one of them has anything to do with what you just said.

Shut up and get your facts straight before you open your mouth next time.

Lore is an accumulated set of facts, traditions, and beliefs that provide a background for the game. This is easy to understand. The fictional Tribunal faith is a set of traditions, beliefs, and mythologies that provide a setting for Morrowind's plot.

The one thing you're right about is the games badly represent lore.

[Yrkoon]

Luc0s wrote...
This might be true, but nowhere does the definition or lore say that is always is or must be background stuff.

It doesn't need to.  The set of descriptors it lists are, by their own definitions, non-physical, background concepts.

Luc0s wrote...
Lore is, and I quote (from my previous post): "Knowledge acquired through education or experience."


OR EXPERIENCE! Read that part? Yes? Good.

By all means, then.  Post me a screenshot of "knowledge acquired through experience"

Modifié par Yrkoon, 21 mai 2012 - 12:23 .

[kalikilic]

i have only just started playing skyrim. i like it so far. and @ Yrkoon. i like your name.

Modifié par kalikilic, 21 mai 2012 - 12:19 .

[Addai]

Lucos, you have a very surface understanding of the game's lore at best. Your answers weren't complete BS but you got 2 1/2 out of 8 correct. Go back to TES school before you start ragging on the game's lore.

[Sajji]

Stop being a wuss. Head on over to the Bethesda forums and tell them what you think.

Lol. Somebody is mad Skyrim is better than their favorite games. Awww...poor little Lucos. Skyrim is better than your favorite games. Way better.

[Druss99]

Addai67 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Yeah, well, I don't think TES games are lore deep. At least that's not the impression TES games gave me. Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game. I didn't find muh lore in Skyrim. The lore that I did find, was pretty shallow, predictable and not deep at all. But of course, this is all merely my opinion.

Let me give you a pop quiz.  No cheating.

Is there Aldmeri resistance to Thalmor rule?  What is the attitude of the Bosmer and Khajiit to the Aldmeri Dominion?
What events have transpired in Hammerfell during the time since the White Gold Concordat was signed?
Which daedra has a conversation with a Septim emperor and what TES game does their conversation recall?
What prophecy sets the stage for both the civil war and the main quest line of Skyrim and which faction guards this prophecy?
What is an Elder Scroll, according to various theories discussed in the game?
Which race created the Azura shrine and why?
Who created the Way of the Voice philosophy and why?
What famous figure of Tamrielic history is sought by the ghost at Old Hroldan and how does his address to the dovahkiin suggest something metaphysical about the dragonborn's identity?

I could go on, but let's see how you do with these.  No cheating, remember.  Wiki not allowed.

Thank god I didn't have you as a teacher. I love the game but having not played in a while I couldn't answer most of these off the top of my head. Then again I'm not ragging on the lore and quite enjoy TES approach to story telling, like everything else in the game its what you make of it. It's what TES is all about really.

[Elhanan]

TES Lore - really do not care much about it personally, but I was impressed by the way it was presented in game via books, some conversations, Max Von Sydow and Christopher Plummer as mentors, etc.

And I kinda hope they leave the Dwarves alone and absent; do not wish to see tinkers again.

[Barbarossa2010]

Yeah, I wasn't a lore fan having only played Oblivion, and only having played it just in 2010 for the first time; but Skyrim has intrigued me. I've made a mission of collecting all books, and the fragments I can get my hands on, and (believe it or not) actually reading them on this playthrough.

Two things stick out in my mind regarding the storytelling, outside the main questline and civil war: Gauldur Legend and Olaf One-eye. Literally there are criss-crossing storylines that run through...well, at least, the latter.