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[slimgrin]

The only lore that ever interested me in a game was ME1 and The Witcher games. Don't play TES for lore, but for the 'do whatever you want to do' aspect.

[The Hierophant]

For Skyrim the pc is a dragonborn which allows the player to use exclusive powers (shouts). Do you think Bethesda will continue the trend with the next game, and what do you think or hope the special ability would be?

[PickledGear]

Addai67 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Yeah, well, I don't think TES games are lore deep. At least that's not the impression TES games gave me. Maybe there is plenty of lore behind the scenes, but they are not presented very well in the game. I didn't find muh lore in Skyrim. The lore that I did find, was pretty shallow, predictable and not deep at all. But of course, this is all merely my opinion.

Let me give you a pop quiz.  No cheating.

Is there Aldmeri resistance to Thalmor rule?  What is the attitude of the Bosmer and Khajiit to the Aldmeri Dominion?
What events have transpired in Hammerfell during the time since the White Gold Concordat was signed?
Which daedra has a conversation with a Septim emperor and what TES game does their conversation recall?
What prophecy sets the stage for both the civil war and the main quest line of Skyrim and which faction guards this prophecy?
What is an Elder Scroll, according to various theories discussed in the game?
Which race created the Azura shrine and why?
Who created the Way of the Voice philosophy and why?
What famous figure of Tamrielic history is sought by the ghost at Old Hroldan and how does his address to the dovahkiin suggest something metaphysical about the dragonborn's identity?

I could go on, but let's see how you do with these.  No cheating, remember.  Wiki not allowed.

Let's see here.

Question 1: Aldmeri Resistance- Yes there is, The Thalmor openly kill rebels and people who idealogically different from them in Summurset Isles (Alinor) they also pursue all deserters into other provinces such as Fasendil's account that the Thalmor murdered every altmer in the city of Sentinel in Hammerfell in 4E 42.

Question 2: A 5 year war that ended as a stalemate between Redguards and the Thalmor ending with the The Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai.

Question 3: You got me there I can't seem to recall an Emperor ever having a conversation with a daedric prince other then Pelagius Septim the Thrid with Sheogorath and how Sheogorath remembers the events of the Oblivion Crisis since Sheogorath is actually the Champion of Cyrodiil transformed into him.

Question 4: The Scrolls are and aren't. As in they exist but don't at the same time. They tell of prophecies that have happened and are going to happen but are fool proof in the fact that if said "prophecied hero" dies before completing his task the scrolls basically say that happens. If any normal mortal looks at them long enough they will become blind. Theres too much LORE behind the Scrolls to get everything though.

Question 5: The Dunmer created the Shrine (In Skyrim) because of the Red Year when the Ministry of Truth crashed down on Vivec City at full force because Vivec wasn't there anymore to hold it up. Causing the Red Mountain to erupt and destroying all of Vvardenfell and covering the rest of Morrowind in Ash and then after that the Argonians of BlackMarsh ransacked Morrowind and killed every and any Dunmer belonging to houses that believed and allowed Slavery over the eras. So the Dunmer fled west into Skyrim and Solstheim so they built a shrine for their Daedric Prince who even warned (the ones who built the shrine) before hand of the Red Year, so they thanked him/her and built the shrine.

Question 6: In essence Paarthurnax created the Way of the Voice for Dragons and humans to follow. But the person who created the Greybeards was Jorgen Windcaller. 

Question 7: The ghostly figure was looking for Talos ( TIber Septim ) but called him Hjalti instead showing that Tiber Septim had many names. That Talos was a dragonborn as been said by many since the Dovahkiin is of course a Dragonborn him/herself.

I'm a die hard Elder Scrolls Lore fan so I read up on all of Michael Kirkbride's posts and ruminations he has because the TES lore is amazingly detailed and awe inspiring. Especially on achieving CHIM.

[Barbarossa2010]

Okay, I'm a bit hesitant to share this one but what the hell...
Just spent two hours entertaining myself with Battlefield Skyrim.  I'll just say it's probably not for everyone, because exhaustion can come quick, but if you're in the mood to fast level a skill or even learn a skill you rarely play with (I actually got some conjuration practice in), it's probably the perfect combat mod.




You can get a breather, just stepping outside hot zones, and some enemies do just stand still like dolts; but you can easily get horded if you want to wade into the fray, and the archers can one shot kill you with a head shot.  Just save often if you actually want to clear the board.  And you can leave anytime you want.



There are two areas: one with primarily melee and archer combatants and the other with mages, vampires and the like.


What a brood of vipers these guys are.  Makes your average trip into necro lairs with their spell spamming, look like day care.  Anyway, got a bit of break from the grind, and had some fun and good practice with skills I rarely use.  So there it is, for what it's worth.

[Druss99]

I know I'm way way behind with this game jam stuff, but I'd actually pay for changing seasonal foliage...

[Joy Divison]

I don't get how lore is hard to find in Skyrim.

[Addai]

Druss99 wrote...
Thank god I didn't have you as a teacher. I love the game but having not played in a while I couldn't answer most of these off the top of my head. Then again I'm not ragging on the lore and quite enjoy TES approach to story telling, like everything else in the game its what you make of it. It's what TES is all about really.

You aren't spending pages going on about how inferior the game is, so you're fine. 

[Sajji]

Luc0s wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Lol. Somebody is mad Skyrim is better than their favorite games. Awww...poor little Lucos. Skyrim is better than your favorite games. Way better.

Nah, Skyrim is good, but certainly NOT better than Zelda Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask. 

I actually agree with you on OoT.

[TobiTobsen]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Soo... I just finished outfitting my latest char and I'm really pleased with my cat wearing a cat



Now I'll just have to recruit my homeboy J'Zargo and off we go, to show the Thalmor that the Khajiit aren't pleased that the elves think they could enslave them

Yes!  You got bandoleers as well!!  What a great mod.  And I must say, they go very well with your ensemble.

Actually the bandoleers were not my doing. They are already part of the Warchief armor mod that Ahzek is wearing there

[Sajji]

To the unanswered quiz question...

I don't know if they're a faction or a cult, but isn't the Oblivion crisis itself, with the unlit Dragonfires breaking the barrier put in place by Akatosh between the mortal realm and Oblivion (specifically Mehrunes Dagon's Wasteland) itself the prophesy that foreshadowed current events? That cult/faction overseeing its fruition was the Mythic Dawn and its leader, Mankar Camoran.

Modifié par Sajji, 21 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[PickledGear]

 I like to think my Saxhleel is quite unique among other saxhleel players. Say hello to my Kurei (Cog-Rein Sharpens-His-Tongue)

[Sigma Tauri]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...
I'm a die hard Elder Scrolls Lore fan so I read up on all of Michael Kirkbride's posts and ruminations he has because the TES lore is amazingly detailed and awe inspiring. Especially on achieving CHIM.

Kirkbride's an asset. Bethesda uses his writings as a foundation for the world, but they really fail at expressing his most interesting ideas in game. He sees Pelinal as a robot from the future, but Bethesda likes to see him as a typical white knight. He saw Cyrodiil as a majestic river society containing rice fields and a myriad of cults worshipping saints and animal gods, yet Bethesda makes it a boring forest with no real internal culture. This is where I agree with Luc0s. The lore isn't so much the problem as the implementation. TES has an amazing background with lots of lore, but if Bethesda couldn't even make 6000 steps on High Hrothgar, TES is really nothing special.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 21 mai 2012 - 11:50 .

[Barbarossa2010]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Soo... I just finished outfitting my latest char and I'm really pleased with my cat wearing a cat



Now I'll just have to recruit my homeboy J'Zargo and off we go, to show the Thalmor that the Khajiit aren't pleased that the elves think they could enslave them

Yes!  You got bandoleers as well!!  What a great mod.  And I must say, they go very well with your ensemble.

Actually the bandoleers were not my doing. They are already part of the Warchief armor mod that Ahzek is wearing there

Ah, I see.  Nice tie-in cross between Forsworn and Ancient Nord Armor, with some slight mods thrown in for effect. An interesting dress-out if not completely and hilariously ironic.

[TobiTobsen]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Ah, I see.  Nice tie-in cross between Forsworn and Ancient Nord Armor, with some slight mods thrown in for effect. An interesting dress-out if not completely and hilariously ironic.

I'm sure the Forsworn AND the Nord/Stormcloaks will appreciate the irony, when Ahzek is putting them down with his Legion buddies. Shouting them apart even. Ulfric-style

[happy_daiz]

Holy crap, I stopped at page 800, and didn't read all weekend. You guys wrote a soap opera. Bravo!

I hope it's over now.

Yesterday, I did "The Book of Love" quest for the first time. Not sure how I missed it, but I love it that I'm still finding things I missed on earlier playthroughs.

The quest reward (Agent of Mara: (Active Effect) +15 to Magic Resistance.) was worth it, for the small amount of time it took (actually, it took longer for me, because I hadn't visited Markarth yet, and wanted to hoof it, instead of taking a carriage).

I also did the Spread the Love part, where you distribute pamphlets of the Warmth of Mara.

I loved Wujeeta's response:
I wouldn't even clean my tail with this trash.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 21 mai 2012 - 02:46 .

[Elhanan]

The pamphlet's were quite amusing for certain responses; the Black-Briar familiy anyone?

But the Book of Love quest is one of the more grating examples of writing in the entire game, IMO.

While I am all for differences in relationships, the possible couples to be made in Ivarstead were terrible: to a man steeped in arrogance and Narcissism, and another to man considering retirememt; either to a young woman seemingly too immature to yet leave home.

In Markarth, one is to play matchmaker to a couple by starting a romance based on deceit and a lie, and then you help two spirits rejoin in one of the more strerotypical told tales of Twu Wuv ever.

Love is not only blind in both this quest and Marriages, but is deaf and rather dumb, also.

But yeah; the reward is quite valuable; one really earns every precious pt of MR.

Modifié par Elhanan, 21 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[happy_daiz]

^ Yeah, it was definitely stereotypical, but I didn't worry too much about it. I love finding quests that reward permanent bonuses. That one with the lighthouse (Frostflow - Sailor's Repose) was rather chilling with all the Chaurus. I hate those things.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 21 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[Elhanan]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ Yeah, it was definitely stereotypical, but I didn't worry too much about it. I love finding quests that reward permanent bonuses. That one with the lighthouse (Frostflow - Sailor's Repose) was rather chilling with all the Chaurus. I hate those things.

And the lighthouse is one of my favorite quests; quite chilling and well written. Almost all empathy towards the Snow Elves died in this one.

[Dutchess]

Oh, the one in the lighthouse was so sad.

My boyfriend picked up the skull named "Hagard's remains" (or something like that) and it was irremovable because it was marked as a quest item. So for the rest of the game he was walking around with a bloody skull in his inventory. xD

[happy_daiz]

^ Yeah, you have to take Habd's Remains up to the top of the lighthouse to burn them, then you get Sailor's Repose. I made that same mistake myself, and someone in this thread pointed me in the right direction.

[Barbarossa2010]

At least Habd's Remains can be dealt with swiftly and you can clear that (rather messy) item from your inventory.  Can't say the same for those damn gems  (well, at least, without a console command). 

I've actually left everyone of them alone I come across in this playthrough...don't want, don't care.

As for Frostflow Lighthouse itself, I thought the quest was great and was one of those that really left you feeling pretty sad when all was said and done, as you read through each family members journal or note along the way.  I massacred me some Charrus, and if I'm not mistaken captured every soul, for the family's vengeance.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 21 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[Druss99]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ Yeah, you have to take Habd's Remains up to the top of the lighthouse to burn them, then you get Sailor's Repose. I made that same mistake myself, and someone in this thread pointed me in the right direction.

Ah ha! I can finally get rid of that damn head. Though I'm pretty sure I was up there and didn't notice any option to burn stuff.

[Barbarossa2010]

Yep, just take it to the top of the lighthouse and activate the light/fire. It'll automatically remove it from inventory and you'll get the Sailor's Repose perk.