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[LPPrince]

The stuff we get from Dawnguard will last us as long as the Skyrim main game lasts us, so in the end its worth it.

[Giggles_Manically]

20 bucks is not really that much money.

Its like one meal out, plus taxes these days.
A Bethesda DLC last a lot longer then a meal out.

[MarchWaltz]

It seems like in the DLC we can be on the "good side" or the "bad" side, I hope this is the case, since, y'know, I have no vamp characters.

[Elhanan]

Lazengan wrote...

not a single DLC I have bought in any game was priced at $20

I am a hardcore PC gamer, I know what it's like to spend money to set up a good rig and continue such an expensive hobby

And there are plenty of mods on skyrim nexus that have been able to provide me hours and hours of high quality experience. One user even introduced a horse armor mod which was extremely reminicest of the days when horse armors were sold at a price with real money. You could argue that these are made by amateurs and not nearly as professionally developped as bethesda does DLC, but working as part of the team that brought moonpath to elsewyr, we dedicated thousands of hours and a lot of effort to make a balanced and immersive experience, and we are trying to get more legit voice acting done. What makes something "professional"?

Also, why add crossbows now and not add it on retail release? Crossbows have been in lore since morrowind

Will this be just DLC, or will it also be sold as software? Not certain, but I believe I have seen reports of the latter, which would seem to mean this is an expansion.

And if for the price one also gets updates and new content for free instead of having to mod themselves, that may be worth it. Personally, I much prefer to have a disk in hand than waste hours of time waiting on dl, having to sign up for larger content, etc.

[Barbarossa2010]

I think I've bought every piece of DLC that Bethesda has developed since Oblivion. That experience has shown me, that they put out gigantic, fairly well thought-out, pieces of content that rival the content of most developer's AAA-base games. I mean seriously, look at this list:

Shivering Isles
Knights of the Nine
Operation: Anchorage
The Pitt
Broken Steel
Point Lookout
Mothership Zeta
Dead Money (Beth/Obsidian)
Honest Hearts (Beth/Obsidian)
Old World Blues (Beth/Obsidian)
Lonesome Road (Beth/Obsidian)

Most of these were easily worth $20 to me, yet only one of them carried that price tag.

I may not be over-excited story-wise by Dawnguard, and truthfully on a scale of 1 to 10 (no offense intended to those who like that sort of thing-it's just not my thing), I may have about a 2 level of interest in vampires, but I know Beth well enough through their DLC history, that they'll have content for me mixed in there, and will probably at least give me the opportunity to annihilate all vampires I come in contact with...all the while exploring and looting a new environment, interacting with new characters, and crafting to my heart's content, with some sort of surprise around every turn.

[Barbarossa2010]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

20 bucks is not really that much money.

Its like one meal out, plus taxes these days.
A Bethesda DLC last a lot longer then a meal out.

Hell, a Bethesda DLC lasts longer than most games.

[naughty99]

greengoron89 wrote...

Bethesda is indeed very generous compared to many other companies...

...well, not counting the horse armor fiasco, anyway - but at least Beth listened to their fans on that issue instead of continuing to shove more and more nickel and dime DLC in their faces like certain other companies do.

Keep in mind, the horse armor was one of the very first DLC items offered in any game, not long after the launch of the Xbox 360.

DLC was still a new concept at that time and game publishers were still figuring out what kind of content to include. Also, funny enough, they say people are still buying horse armor DLC for Oblivion after all these years.

Modifié par naughty99, 02 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I just hope the DLC adds to the game unlike Bioware's DLC as of late.

Like I LOVED Warden's keep since it was so integrated into the game...despite being taken out for DLC.
Hopefully Dawnguard comes into the story smoothly.

[Elhanan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I just hope the DLC adds to the game unlike Bioware's DLC as of late.

Like I LOVED Warden's keep since it was so integrated into the game...despite being taken out for DLC.
Hopefully Dawnguard comes into the story smoothly.

Personally, I enjoyed the Legacy DLC quite a bit, and have aquired a lot of other DA and ME adds, too. Why the cheap shot at Bioware is needed here seems rather curious.

[Giggles_Manically]

Because its fun to kick the rotting corpse of a once great and majestic thing of course.

[Elhanan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Because its fun to kick the rotting corpse of a once great and majestic thing of course.

And the notion that one has that motivation and mind-set to do this on their free forums appears to be rather immature and tasteless. IMO.

[Yrkoon]

Also, I have a  feeling that we may be mispredicting (is that a word? lol) the plotline of this DLC.  The trailer clearly projects a   conflict   involving "vampire faction vs. anti-vampire faction", but  I think it's a bit  naive  to assume that this is all there is to it.  I suspect a plot-twist.  These types of stories almost always have'em.   And in this case, my gut is telling me that Molag Bal, or some other Daedric Prince  might have a bigger role in the story than simply   a fancy looking shrine invoking his name appearing in the vampire stronghold.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 juin 2012 - 06:39 .

[LobselVith8]

I noticed that some Forsworn areas have stopped respawning, like Sundered Towers. It seems to be keeping me from getting the Courier's note about the Phial, as I think the Forsworn for the quest isn't spawning in one of those areas.

[Barbarossa2010]

Yep, if their history has shown us anything, there is always more than meets the eye with Bethesda DLCs.

[LobselVith8]

Yrkoon wrote...

Also, I have a  feeling that we may be mispredicting (is that a word? lol) the plotline of this DLC.  The trailer clearly projects a   conflict   involving "vampire faction vs. anti-vampire faction", but  I think it's a bit  naive  to assume that this is all there is to it.  I suspect a plot-twist.  These types of stories almost always have'em.   And in this case, my gut is telling me that Molag Bal, or some other Daedric Prince  might have a bigger role in the story than simply   a fancy looking shrine invoking his name appearing in the vampire stronghold.

Possibly, although I can see vampires wanting to block out the sun for their own reasons. I have to wonder what the ramifications would be for helping either side - would people applaud the Dawnguard protagonist as a hero, or be fearful of a Vampire Lord who ushered in perpetual night over Skyrim? How will other vampires react? Will our factions care? Or the Holds?

Do you gave any theories about what Molag Bal could be plotting? I wonder if we will get an explanation for Vaermina's connection to vampirism, as she knew the cure to vampirism and told Molag Bal in Morrowind.

I think there will be other stories in the DLC besides the conflict. It'll be nice to meet new people and see new places.

[Sajji]

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion had smaller dlc packs but later had the Shivering Isles expansion that allowed the player to enter through Sheogorath's portal to his domain in Oblivion. The end result us being in Sheogorath's world where he rules and controls all. It was a massive expansion with an absolute ton of content. Personally took me around 70 hours to complete.

I don't know if Dawnguard will be that big, but even if its 30 hours...for $20? Like others said, I'm more than ahead on the bargain Skyrim is. Plus, with Todd Howard at the helm, there is no way its going to "suck". For me, its an impossibility.

Beyond all of that, I like to support good games and good gaming. I'd gladly donate $20 to Bethesda just as an added thank you to Skyrim the main game itself. I love it and think its amazing...like I said 278 hours in and counting...not near done. Loving every minute. But all for $60? Incredible value. Developers need to know again and again when they treat the customers right, they will be rewarded with support.

Love what I'm hearing about Dawnguard. I really hope us mages can Conjure crossbows

[naughty99]

Sajji wrote...
Love what I'm hearing about Dawnguard. I really hope us mages can Conjure crossbows

That would be fun.

Sadly, I recently noticed that in the vanilla game there are still no spells for conjuring bound daggers, one-handed axes, maces, greatswords, or warhammers.  

Modifié par naughty99, 02 juin 2012 - 07:07 .

[Yrkoon]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Do you gave any theories about what Molag Bal could be plotting?

Not as such, no.  Not yet at least. .  But  the fact that these vampires seem to look radically different than the others we've grown to know and love in ES games,  leads me to believe that maybe  his   recent actions  is indeed front and center here.   Also,  The inclusion of an Elder Scroll seems  a little too important to just be used as a means to blot out the sun, or whatever the current speculation is.

Also, I'm stealing this rumor from the Beth forums because it does sound plausable....  a couple of the  outdoor scenes that we see in the trailer do NOT look like any environment skyrim.  Don't be surprized if this DLC sees us going to Coldharbour.  And if it does, that would be awesome, I'd love to see what that plane looks like  with Skyrim's graphics.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 02 juin 2012 - 07:47 .

[Elhanan]

greengoron89 wrote...

Good thing it's just your opinion then - now back to calling out EA/Bioware on their BS DLC practices and giving credit to other companies for not doing the same (and, in fact, actually being quite generous).

Since I have enjoyed Bioware DLC, and it seems that more than myself have made and liked such purchases, said opinion is not only my own. I do not feel entitled to demand free stuff, but it is nice when it does occur.

[Giggles_Manically]

One thing to always take into account is that Bethesda has its OBVIOUS lore, and its more in depth lore.

The obvious lore in Skyrim, is Alduin is coming to end the world.
The more in depth lore is that he is coming to restart the cycle so another world can come into being.

Alduin is not just a child of Akatosh but more like a part of him, simply doing what he is meant to do. Just like your PC is doing what they are meant to do as part of their destiny.

On the surface it may be faction vs faction but I have the feeling that its going to be more.
Just like the Thalmor are not simply racist jerks, but religious ones who want to end humanity so they can ascend back to being gods. Through destroying Talos through lack of worship thus ending the world.

Hell lots of TES is about Mortals attaining godhood (The PC in Shivering Isles/Talos), or people attempting to do it (Dagoth UR). I love that it has such a rich metaphysical tapestry behind it that leaves us wondering what is really happening.

Like if the Dwemer became gods or just died off, or if reality does reset itself with gods changing roles, or how exactly mortal beings ascend.

Think about it to with the PC in Skyrim:
A mortal with an AEDRIC soul, who can shout as well as a master or dragon, who can trounce entire armies, create gear that others take a life time to master, and become amazingly powerful very quickly.

I would not be at all surprised if the DLC showcase the Dragonborn going on to create something.
Perhaps a new empire since the Septim's were called "The Dragonborn Emperors"

Or I could be puling a Maiq again here.

[LobselVith8]

Yrkoon wrote...
Not as such, no.  Not yet at least. .  But  the fact that these vampires seem to look radically different than the others we've grown to know and love in ES games,  leads me to believe that maybe  his   recent actions  is indeed front and center here.   Also,  The inclusion of an Elder Scroll seems  a little too important to just be used as a means to blot out the sun, or whatever the current speculation is.

I have to wonder how the protagonist can read a scroll outside of the Time-Wound, unless there are others in Skyrim to exploit. Unless this new vampiric form makes them immune.

Yrkoon wrote...

Also, I'm stealing this rumor from the Beth forums because it does sound plausable....  a couple of the  outdoor scenes that we see in the trailer do NOT look like any environment skyrim.  Don't be surprized if this DLC sees us going to Coldharbour.  And if it does, that would be awesome, I'd love to see what that plane looks like  with Skyrim's graphics.

That would be interesting. Aren't some humans rewarded if Molag Bal favors their actions (outside of earning a daedric artifact)? I recall "Doors to Oblivion" refer to it as a dark, future version of Nirn.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 02 juin 2012 - 08:21 .

[Elhanan]

greengoron89 wrote...

I feel entitled to get my money's worth - so far EA has failed spectacularly to deliver on that front. $10 DLCs from Bioware don't deliver even half - no, not even a quarter of the content things like Bloodmoon and Shivering Isles do, despite having the same price tag, and I regret every DLC purchase I've ever made from them as a result.

And the one actual expansion pack Bioware did make was overpriced, at $40 - yet we're discussing $20 being a steep price for an expansion pack from Bethesda that looks to dwarf even their previous ones.

So it's clear who deserves my money and who doesn't - Bethesda is twice the company Bioware has become, and that's my opinion (and likely one also shared by many people).

As long as it your feelings that set the standard, guess that measue will ebb and flow like your statistical analysis. Good thing that only goes for the one indv, as it is difficult to gauge subjective opinions.

I believe $20 sounds fair if we get the content some describe; not to much if it is only a vampire hunt as that is already in the current game. And neither Bioware nor Betheda deserve my funds, but Bioware has eared my trust and respect, for hosting entitled haters and others on their forums if nothing else.

Modifié par Elhanan, 02 juin 2012 - 08:47 .