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[GodWood]

You should play New Vegas.

I avoided it for years because I thought it'd be **** and I wasn't really a fan of Fallout 3, but it actually turned out to be really good.

Also the DLCs are some of the best available for any game.

[Addai]

greengoron89 wrote...

I'm sad to say I've only played a single Obsidian game - KOTOR2, and it wasn't very good IMHO. But I blame LucasArts for screwing that one up more than anything tbh.

You haven't played Fallout New Vegas?  *boggles*

[Addai]

Luc0s wrote...
EA is attempting at making RPGs right now? Didn't know that. Must have missed it. :innocent: Oh well, who cares? 

LOL

I like Todd.  I don't care what anyone says.  When he talks about games, I nod my head.  And I want to pinch his cheeks.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Open the console (` by default) and type:

tfc "toggle free camera" to set up a good angle.
tm "toggle menu" makes everything invisible that is not the game.

Lets you take some much better screen shots then normal. I cant however recall the method to move your character without moving the camera like Bethesda can do in its developer shots.

And how do you get it back?

[ShepnTali]

If Bethesda would make dedicated 3rd person games, with fun combat, they would be the best thing ever of anything... ever.

[Chromie]

greengoron89 wrote...

I'm sad to say I've only played a single Obsidian game - KOTOR2, and it wasn't very good IMHO. But I blame LucasArts for screwing that one up more than anything tbh.

Oh man I love Kotor 2 for what Obsidian was trying to accomplish. Thankfully the community had stepped up a long time ago to add in missing content like with Vampire the Masquerade. 

Kotor 2 did such a terrific job at making the Jedi seem broken and scared and turning the Sith into something more sinister. I get the hate for the ending but it was entirely Lucas Arts fault and if you have Kotor 2 download the Restored content mods.

Addai67 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I'm sad to say I've only played a single Obsidian game - KOTOR2, and it wasn't very good IMHO. But I blame LucasArts for screwing that one up more than anything tbh.

You haven't played Fallout New Vegas?  *boggles*

 

I haven't either. Steam Summer sale is coming I might buy it then. I really hated Fallout 3, as someone who thinks FO1/2 are some of the best games ever, so I never gave New Vegas a chance. Still NV had some stuff from Van Burean and peopel from the original team. I'll try it eventually hopefully before Wasteland 2 hits because when it does I won't be doing anything else.

Modifié par Skelter192, 07 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Open the console (` by default) and type:

tfc "toggle free camera" to set up a good angle.
tm "toggle menu" makes everything invisible that is not the game.

Lets you take some much better screen shots then normal. I cant however recall the method to move your character without moving the camera like Bethesda can do in its developer shots.

And how do you get it back?

Just type tm again.
Simple as that. 

[Addai]

Skelter192 wrote...

I haven't either. Steam Summer sale is coming I might buy it then. I really hated Fallout 3, as someone who thinks FO1/2 are some of the best games ever, so I never gave New Vegas a chance. Still NV had some stuff from Van Burean and peopel from the original team. I'll try it eventually hopefully before Wasteland 2 hits because when it does I won't be doing anything else.

Well, I don't think you'll be disappointed.  Definitely get the Enhanced with all the DLCs.

Watched the Todd Howard interview.  People in some thread were knocking him for not being innovative.  He said as much in that interview, in the context of saying that that continuity has allowed them to continue offering mod tools.  All the haters who say he doesn't know that he's making the same game over and over and is only doing that to attract casual players can take a flying leap off High Hrothgar.

[Giggles_Manically]

Fallout new Vegas was the better game then Fallout 3.

I played a guy who was like the Punisher and Doctor Who.
Brilliant chap, with lots of skills...has zero qualms about disintegrating baddies.

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

I haven't either. Steam Summer sale is coming I might buy it then. I really hated Fallout 3, as someone who thinks FO1/2 are some of the best games ever, so I never gave New Vegas a chance. Still NV had some stuff from Van Burean and peopel from the original team. I'll try it eventually hopefully before Wasteland 2 hits because when it does I won't be doing anything else.

Well, I don't think you'll be disappointed.  Definitely get the Enhanced with all the DLCs.

Watched the Todd Howard interview.  People in some thread were knocking him for not being innovative.  He said as much in that interview, in the context of saying that that continuity has allowed them to continue offering mod tools.  All the haters who say he doesn't know that he's making the same game over and over and is only doing that to attract casual players can take a flying leap off High Hrothgar.

Anywho who says "selling out to the casual gamers" needs a kick in the ass

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
EA is attempting at making RPGs right now? Didn't know that. Must have missed it. :innocent: Oh well, who cares? 

LOL

I like Todd.  I don't care what anyone says.  When he talks about games, I nod my head.  And I want to pinch his cheeks.

Yeah, I've always liked hearing Todd speak.  I really like his humble, no nonsense, no BS attitude, and I really like his total lack of pretension and theatrics when he speaks about his company's products.
 
He never comes across arrogant or that he knows what's best for his customer base.  They simply put out what they think players will like, put on their thick skin and big boy boxers, and adjust it based on some hard criticisms.  Bethesda doesn't look like they take anything personal.  They merely adjust accordingly, and Todd's interaction with fans only reinforces that perception in my view.  He admits when they screw the pooch (FO3's ending--"We probably screwed that up," here's Broken Steel), and he doesn't throw critical reviews in fan's faces as some sort of limp developer response to justified and pointed criticisms of his products. 

He's humble, straightforward, and completely unassuming.  It comes through loud and clear, and that probably does as much to sell games and excite fans, as Bethesda's games themselves.

I think there is a clear distinction to be drawn between Todd's interaction with the public and that of many other AAA developers.  I am pleased to see he and his company so richly rewarded for producing such fantastic products, and bending over backwards to keep their fans fairly happy, excited and engaged.

If people think that's fanboyism or that I'm "immature" or without good taste that I might be alluding to Bioware's failures on their own forums...well...you ought to just save the effort and keyboard strokes, because I honestly [could care less].

EDIT: Removed strong metaphor.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 07 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[Blacklash93]

GodWood wrote...

Obsidian's better.

From a writing standpiont sure (only played NV and some of AP), but Bethesda is much better at level/world design and atmosphere and gameplay in my experience. Beth also isn't nearly as bad with bugs and they're not that great to begin with.

NV's writing was significantly better than FO3, but the world design was worse (not as open w/ invisible walls and traversing the strip over and over again w/o fast-travel grated on me endlessly) and AP handled quite clunky and that's all I have to go on with their original gameplay.

Also the DLCs are some of the best available for any game.

Agreed somewhat, but I thought HH was incredibly boring all-around and the Burned Man disappointed me greatly.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 07 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[Elhanan]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Yeah, I've always liked hearing Todd speak.  I really like his humble, no nonsense, no BS attitude, and I really like his total lack of pretension and theatrics when he speaks about his company's products.
 
He never comes across arrogant or that he knows what's best for his customer base.  They simply put out what they think players will like, put on their thick skin and big boy boxers, and adjust it based on some hard criticisms.  Bethesda doesn't look like they take anything personal.  They merely adjust accordingly, and Todd's interaction with fans only reinforces that perception in my view.  He admits when they screw the pooch (FO3's ending--"We probably screwed that up," here's Broken Steel), and he doesn't throw critical reviews in fan's faces as some sort of limp developer response to justified and pointed criticisms of his products. 

He's humble, straightforward, and completely unassuming.  It comes through loud and clear, and that probably does as much to sell games and excite fans, as Bethesda's games themselves.

I think there is a clear distinction to be drawn between Todd's interaction with the public and that of many other AAA developers.  I am pleased to see he and his company so richly rewarded for producing such fantastic products, and bending over backwards to keep their fans fairly happy, excited and engaged.

If people think that's fanboyism or that I'm "immature" or without good taste that I might be alluding to Bioware's failures on their own forums...well...you ought to just save the effort and keyboard strokes, because I honestly don't give *Edit*

Plus, he looks like he would feel right at home in the Shire....

Modifié par Elhanan, 07 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[Yrkoon]

Addai67 wrote...

Watched the Todd Howard interview.  People in some thread were knocking him for not being innovative.  He said as much in that interview, in the context of saying that that continuity has allowed them to continue offering mod tools.  All the haters who say he doesn't know that he's making the same game over and over and is only doing that to attract casual players can take a flying leap off High Hrothgar.

God damn,  those people are tiresome.   I'm getting so sick of that retarded word "innovation". 

It used to actually have a  specific meaning, but now it's just  a generic catch-word used by developers and gamers alike  to describe  anything that their tunnel vision perceives as  "different".

Newsflash, People:  There's no such thing as innovation in gaming.   Not yet, at least.   EVERYTHING you consider "new" and "fresh"  has been done countless times before.  There are no exceptions.

Innovation, actual innovation, will come when the  confines of our PCs, consoles and phones are shattered and games become something more than just  virtual.  When you see a dead body in the game world and  can actually smell it, then you'll have experienced innovation.  When NPCs pop out of your monitor and engage you in a conversation in your living room, then you'll have an example of innovation.  When you no longer need  electronic equipment to play a video game, then innovation will have occured.

Until then, lets just stick with the word "different", because that's what these people really mean.  And as far as different goes, I'll stack the Elder Scrolls up against all other IPs.  In a world where  most games are 40 hours long or less, the Elder scrolls is different with its 300+ hour size.  In an industry where player agency is a negative, a headache, a hurdle to overcome, the Elder scrolls is different, with its customization, free roam, anti-rails no-matter-what philosophy.  In  an industry where gamers are sheperded, walked and hand held through every plot and experience, the Elder Scrolls is different, as it kicks  you out of the house when you turn 18, figuratively speaking, forcing you to head out on your own and forge your own path.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 07 juin 2012 - 03:19 .

[Giggles_Manically]

TES gives organic moments that have meant more to me then any flashy set piece ever will.

I still get a little thrill listening to the Morrowind theme remembering when I walked out of Dagoth Ur's citadel and saw the sun setting over Red Mountain. It was beautiful, unscripted and made me feel badass.

I can perfectly recall the feeling of saying "FOR TAMRIEL!" and having my character charge into hell itself outside of Bruma.

Or my character in Skyrim just walking around Whiterun hold hunting some deer, making some boots and returning home to his wife by nightfall.

Its the little moments you make for yourself that come as random chance, those are what stick with you. Not flashy slo-mo rail roaded pre-rendered lens flaring cut scenes.

Sure Bethesda lacks in some areas, and they take a while to release things. But if they remain at this quality its worth the wait.

No other studio has made 5 games in a row that I still play.
I still have Arena and Daggerfall on my computer today.
Plus the CDs for Morrowind and Oblivion and FO3.

Bethesda never says "You are X, who does Y who feels Z"
They say "You are whoever you want to be, who does whatever they want, and feels however they want".

So many modern companies are all flash and no substance these days that Bethesda stands out all the more. They dont nickel and dime their customers they treat them with respect.

Hell Todd Howard was talking about how much work he was going to, to get console players a FREE service.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 07 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[RobRam10]

is the mount combat patch live on xbox?

[ErichHartmann]

www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/06/dawnguard-will-give-you-a-new-dragon-shout-a-magical-mount-and-your-own-armoured-troll/

Not sure if this has been posted (too lazy to check).  The armoured troll sounds potentially intriguing.

[Sajji]

Exactly. I appreciate how Bethesda and CDPR treats us like adults.

For those new to Skyrim and loving it, I recommend Fallout 4 coming in the future. No doubt it'll be next generation and Todd Howard and Bethesda Game Studios are also no doubt working on it now.

[Elhanan]

Luc0s wrote...

Exactly. Companies like these are rare these days. As of lately I've only seen 2 companies being this awesome: Bethesda and CD Projekt RED (creators of The Witcher and The Witcher 2).

As far as I know, they are the only two companies left who truly seem to care about their loyal fans. They threat us, the fans, as adult and mature people. And no arrogant "artistic integrity" ****, but true humbleness and honesty towards their fans. And that is how you keep fans loyal. Take notes BioWare, as you guys seems to have a problem to keep your fans loyal these days.

If you were adult and mature, perhaps....

Who coined the 'artistic integrity' phrase flying around currently? Wasn't it someone outside of EA that opposed Bioware's plan to alter the Ending of ME3?

Doesn't matter; folks will find something else to complain over soon enough. And some of the same Hater's here will be hating on these other companies soon enough. Even Skyrim Todd mentioned the groaning and griping over DLC; early or late.

Will stick around here for the stories and RP; thanks!