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[Yrkoon]

Lazengan wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Gamepads > keyboard and mouse - and I can deal with graphics and bugs.

ok have fun pressing around 8 buttons and two analog sticks, while I have the unlimited potential of a keyboard. (perhaps this isn't a problem for those who enjoy a simple minded experience, but in my opinion games should be immersive and mechanically potent and challenging to use)

Wat?  That doesn't make sense.... on a couple of levels.

First, when I look at an Xbox game pad, the very last  thing that comes to my mind is:  Yo, this is simple!  The exact opposite goes through my head.  Game pads look needlessly complicated to me, not simple.

Second, game controls and user interfaces  (what you're discussing) should never EVER be mechanically potent or anything else resembling complex.  They should be intuitively simple.    They shouldn't involve thinking.  This is actually where legitimate criticism of Skyrim, from die-hard PC users, comes from.  On PC,  Skyrim's UI is  borderline cumbersome, not very intuitive.  The fact that one can eventually get used to it doesn't change this fact.  Nor does it change the fact that  the PC version of Skyrim sill asks the player to press  about 8 buttons.... just like the Console version does.

No, your best bet, if you're determined to continue fighting the PC vs. Console holy war, is to focus on the completely undisputable:  Graphics and  Mod  customization.  The PC version does those better.  So much better that Console users are forced to respond with indifference, by claiming that they don't care about beauty and customizing.   (which isn't a  valid response at all.  it's just sour grapes)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[Lazengan]

greengoron89 wrote...

Eh, he's just one of those PC master race a**holes - nobody cares what they think.

I hope you're having fun with a game that bethesda catered to you for. Complete consolization of everything in the game. 

seriously they treat PC gamers like second rate citizens and pirates when we are responsible for innovating most of their ideas when they take inspiration from nexus mods

[Lazengan]

Yrkoon wrote...

Lazengan wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Gamepads > keyboard and mouse - and I can deal with graphics and bugs.

ok have fun pressing around 8 buttons and two analog sticks, while I have the unlimited potential of a keyboard. (perhaps this isn't a problem for those who enjoy a simple minded experience, but in my opinion games should be immersive and mechanically potent and challenging to use)

huh?  That doesn't make sense.... on a couple of levels.

First, when I look at an Xbox game pad, the very last  thing that comes to my mind is:  Yo, this is simple!  The exact opposite goes through my head.  Game pads look needlessly complicated, not simple.

Second, game controlls and user interfaces  (what you're discussing) should never EVER be mechanically potent or anything else resembling complex.  They should be intuitively simple.    They shouldn't involve thinking.  This is actually where legitimate criticism of Skyrim, from die-hard PC users, comes from.  On PC,  Skyrim's UI is cumbersome, not very intuitive.  The fact that one can eventually get used to it doesn't change this fact.  Nor does it change the fact that  the PC version of Skyrim sill asks the player to press 8 buttons.... just like the Console version does.

I have the option of pressing more than 8 buttons. I have the option of mapping my keys to 30+ buttons

the Skyrim UI is same for console and PC, just so it can be accesible for console gamers. It's terrible and you cannot organize or set anything with it..

And I actually enjoy it when developpers don't treat their audiences like they have the attention span of a child and can enjoy a good challenging game with a lot of depth. The spell creation system in oblivion was great.

[Yrkoon]

Lazengan wrote...


And I actually enjoy it when developpers don't treat their audiences like they have the attention span of a child and can enjoy a good challenging game with a lot of depth. The spell creation system in oblivion was great.

So do I, but we were discussing controls and UIs, not the actual gameplay.  I want a complex, deep challenging Game, but I don't want to have to take an advanced college course  in order to learn how to   quickly swap weapons  and spells when I'm in the middle of combat (for example)

When the user interface itself becomes a minigame then the devs have messed up  on the immersion thing and  missed the point.  The gamer should be focussing on what's going on in the  game itself, not the buttons on his keyboard, right?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[Rockworm503]

greengoron89 wrote...

Eh, he's just one of those PC master race a**holes - nobody cares what they think.

This ^^ best response and the only one this d-bag deserves.

[Rockworm503]

Lazengan wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Eh, he's just one of those PC master race a**holes - nobody cares what they think.

I hope you're having fun with a game that bethesda catered to you for. Complete consolization of everything in the game. 

seriously they treat PC gamers like second rate citizens and pirates when we are responsible for innovating most of their ideas when they take inspiration from nexus mods

Thats correct... Thats why we have the toolset and the steam workshop...
Because they hate us!

[LPPrince]

Soooo, Dawnguard.

That's a thing that's happening soon.

[Giggles_Manically]

Heheh nice one prince.

Anywho I was flipping through tv channels and the BBC Robin hood was just coming on.
So now I have to make a Robin Hood it seems.

Male Breton,
Archery (duh), Sneak, Light armor, pickpocketing, speech, and one handed I think.
Any one have any good cloak and cape mods?

[LPPrince]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Heheh nice one prince.

I'm trying to save the thread to be bloody honest.

Anyway, my character is patiently awaiting Dawnguard.

I unfortunately have a doctors appointment the day of the DLC dropping(my fault for having it scheduled on that day when I didn't even consider that it was coming out then).

Hopefully the appointment doesn't take very long, I have more important things to deal with then my balls.

I have to save the Sun from being eternally altered by a cult of shiny, sparkly, vegetarian, baseball playing, fairy vampires.

[Addai]

greengoron89 wrote...

Funny how the Nords despise "normal" magic, yet revere the Thu'um - they're not entirely the same, but supposedly both are magic. The College even seems to consider them to be magic, as you can be admitted into it if you demonstrate your Shouting capabilities.

I just heard a comment from Brelyna Maron that attitudes towards Dunmer soured a lot after the Great Collapse, so I'm guessing that's also where the suspicion of magic comes from.  I mean, you can sort of understand it if you picture Manhattan suddenly falling into the ocean but Hogwarts Midtown is still intact.

*ignoring the *******

Modifié par Addai67, 14 juin 2012 - 02:46 .

[Giggles_Manically]

You know I really like how Skyrim showed a very...realistic world.

There are nice and decent people you meet.
Disgusting ones who are vile
Racist loud mouths
Open minded ones

And tons of people in between.

Something lots of RPGs do is just go to extremes.
I got bored in Dragon Age 2, or the Witcher 2 meeting people who 9/10 were just complete tools, idiots, or jackasses.

People ask me why my main lives in Whiterun?
It because I dont get the overwhelming urge to smash most of its inhabitants on a daily basis.

If I honestly have to ask myself "WHY EVEN BOTHER SAVING THESE PEOPLE!?!?" then I really get bored with a game.

As a famous Hobbit once said "There is some good in this world, and its worth fighting for" 

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 14 juin 2012 - 03:07 .

[LPPrince]

Whiterun? I moved Ysolda to Solitude with me when we got married. I still go to my Whiterun home, but DAMN MAN.

How you deal with Heimskr is beyond me.

[Giggles_Manically]

I put an arrow though his skull a very long time ago?

[LPPrince]

Why didn't I ever think of that?

HEY, NOW I KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH DEM CROSSBOW BOLTS.

[Giggles_Manically]

My Dragonborn got PISSED hearing "AND MYYYY BREATHHHH IS LONNNNNGEDDD WINTARREDD!"

Again and again and again and again and HEADSHOT.
Shame about that really guess they wont ever know who did that....especially since I used a elven arrow to frame the Thalmor.

[LPPrince]

Now I know what to do when I get a Crossbow. Put an instant extra strong bolt between that bastard's eyes, hahaha.

Edit-

PUT, not but. PUT. PUT AN INSTANT EXTRA STRONG BOLT.

GODDAMN IT PRINCE, THATS TWO NOTED GRAMMAR/SPELLING MISTAKES TODAY. TWO. UNACCEPTABLE.

Modifié par LPPrince, 14 juin 2012 - 04:03 .

[Giggles_Manically]

The thought of Crossbows is getting to you.

They are to me as well...since I want an epic dragonbone one to pwn some vampires with.
I am just going to get really pissed if someone says "YOU DARE OPPOSE ME!"

Yes far be it from the Harbinger of the Companions, Guild master of the Thieves Guild, Arch-mage of Winterhold, Thane of all Nine holds, Stromblade of the Stormcloaks, Champion of multiple Daedric Princes, and THE ****ING DRAGONBORN WHO EATS DRAGONS AND CRAPS AWESOME thinks of themselves as slightly competent. 

Sorry I just get annoying in RPGs when people are so stupid they forget they are talking to people who can rout entire armies.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 14 juin 2012 - 04:22 .

[LPPrince]

That is if Dragonbone is indeed superior to Daedric.

If not, I'll make a Daedric Crossbow to match my full Daedric set of everything ever.

[Giggles_Manically]

DO you have a Daedric china set?

[Addai]

My homeboy Heimskr, y'all just can't handle his asskicking pile of truth.

I hope he shouts "I told you so!" from Sovngarde when Talos really gets Shezzarine on the Thalmor.

[Giggles_Manically]

Wow....one of my friends is way smarter then me when he said "Skyrim REALLY fits an Indiana Jones expy" and I did not get it.

But:
The Thalmor are basically National Socialist Goosesteppers
The mages guild quest line is REALLY like an Indiana Jones plot
You can help museuems a few time (dawnstar, Calcemeo)
You adventure into deep dark ruins, filled with traps quite often.

Really add a Fedora and some snakes....and you could play as Indiana Jones.

[Rockworm503]

LPPrince wrote...

Whiterun? I moved Ysolda to Solitude with me when we got married. I still go to my Whiterun home, but DAMN MAN.

How you deal with Heimskr is beyond me.

[LPPrince]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

DO you have a Daedric china set?

I have Daedric BALLS.

I have to go to a Urologist on the 26th to get that checked out.