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[Giggles_Manically]

http://cloud.steampo...A49D6ACF5F91AE/

What? What was that? I am sorry I cant hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

[Carcharoth42]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

http://cloud.steampo...A49D6ACF5F91AE/

What? What was that? I am sorry I cant hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Did you grab Windshear while you were there?

[Giggles_Manically]

Oh no I did not, but since its still there...excuse me.

[Addai]

greengoron89 wrote...
He was never gonna be seen as "great" - the White-Gold Concordat destroyed his reputation and made him countless enemies, and he knew it. If anything, his death would be seen as a triumph, both by the Aldmeri Dominion and all of his detractors in Hammerfell, Skyrim, and within the Empire itself - and he'll likely be remembered as a coward more than anything else.

That's true and not really deserved, though I think he lost the will to fight in the end and really does have to go.  The trouble being we have no idea who his successor is.  Maybe martial law under the legion, which wouldn't be a terrible thing, since they're the only organization that seems to still function in the empire.

[Addai]

Mystic dream wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

If someone does find a dual wield mod, let me know. After reading some lore junk, I'm inspired to make a female Nord light berserker and dual axes would be great for that.

This is a mod I personally use for dual wielding. It lets you configure your f1 to f10 buttons to be used as hotkeys.
In game you need to press K to start the quick bind process. You need to have the weapon equipped on the hand you wish to bind it to, while doing this iirc. It's not perfect, but it at least lets you to toggle between spells and weapons in your left hand quite easily.

Might not remember 100% how the mod works, so reading the readme is probably advisable.
Also I made this post thinking that it was some dual wield fixes you wanted, dont really know any mods that enhance the combat while dual wielding, except maybe Deadly Combat so eh, good luck:whistle:.

Oh, it changes scripts.  I avoid those kind of mods.  Thank you for the link, though.  I actually started a dual wield character last night.  My thought is that she just won't use any magic so I won't have to equip/ unequip except when she uses a bow.  We'll see how long she lasts.

[Giggles_Manically]

The problem with Mede is that he really failed in that war.

Sure he won back the capital but, he really lost everything else.
Hammerfall left him, people hate him for signing a treaty, and he loses most of his popularity.

Poor chap is not a HORRIBLE leader...he is just not a very good one.

[Carcharoth42]

jon1991 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
He was never gonna be seen as "great" - the White-Gold Concordat destroyed his reputation and made him countless enemies, and he knew it. If anything, his death would be seen as a triumph, both by the Aldmeri Dominion and all of his detractors in Hammerfell, Skyrim, and within the Empire itself - and he'll likely be remembered as a coward more than anything else.

That's true and not really deserved, though I think he lost the will to fight in the end and really does have to go.  The trouble being we have no idea who his successor is.  Maybe martial law under the legion, which wouldn't be a terrible thing, since they're the only organization that seems to still function in the empire.

Amaund Motierre's political faction (he must have had some backers to pull off his plot) might be poised to take power after his death. Motierre himself seems to believe that what he's doing will ultimately benefit the Empire as a whole. As for Titus Mede being a coward, he doesn't seem to fully deserve that legacy because he did retake the Imperial City and dealt a powerful blow to the Thalmor in one stroke. The Empire seems to be fully compliant to the Thalmor's wishes though, so you could blame Titus for that state of affairs.

I label him a coward because he gave in to the exact same demands the Thalmor presented before the war. The lives of everyone that died were wasted. The Empire gained nothing from the negotiations and potentialy lost every province except whatever is left of Morrowind if you side with the Stormcloaks.

[jackofalltrades456]

Carcharoth42 wrote...

jon1991 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...
He was never gonna be seen as "great" - the White-Gold Concordat destroyed his reputation and made him countless enemies, and he knew it. If anything, his death would be seen as a triumph, both by the Aldmeri Dominion and all of his detractors in Hammerfell, Skyrim, and within the Empire itself - and he'll likely be remembered as a coward more than anything else.

That's true and not really deserved, though I think he lost the will to fight in the end and really does have to go.  The trouble being we have no idea who his successor is.  Maybe martial law under the legion, which wouldn't be a terrible thing, since they're the only organization that seems to still function in the empire.

Amaund Motierre's political faction (he must have had some backers to pull off his plot) might be poised to take power after his death. Motierre himself seems to believe that what he's doing will ultimately benefit the Empire as a whole. As for Titus Mede being a coward, he doesn't seem to fully deserve that legacy because he did retake the Imperial City and dealt a powerful blow to the Thalmor in one stroke. The Empire seems to be fully compliant to the Thalmor's wishes though, so you could blame Titus for that state of affairs.

I label him a coward because he gave in to the exact same demands the Thalmor presented before the war. The lives of everyone that died were wasted. The Empire gained nothing from the negotiations and potentialy lost every province except whatever is left of Morrowind if you side with the Stormcloaks.

Wait, didn't the Argonians conquer Morrowind? Also, High Rock is still under Imperial control if I'm not mistaken.

[Addai]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Wait, didn't the Argonians conquer Morrowind? Also, High Rock is still under Imperial control if I'm not mistaken.

No, they invaded southern Morrowind and slaughtered everything in their path and then retreated.  The Hist was getting revenge for slave raids in which hist were damaged.

We don't know anything about High Rock.  They were always divisive, so it's possible the chaos will prompt that to come out again.  If Skyrim goes independent, they'll be cut off from Cyrodiil.

Carcharoth42 wrote...
I label him a coward because he gave in to the exact same demands the Thalmor presented before the war. The
lives of everyone that died were wasted. The Empire gained nothing from the negotiations and potentialy lost every province except whatever is left of Morrowind if you side with the Stormcloaks.

Yes, it's true that by signing over most of everything the Thalmor had wanted in the first place, it wasted all that sacrifice- that's certainly how a lot of people in Skyrim see it.  But you can see it as trying to live to fight another day, albeit at very high cost.  Since we don't have any news from Cyrodiil, we don't know whether most people agree that it was a good move.  I interpret it that Mede didn't have enough political support to continue the war.  This is basically what Ulfric accuses him of- betraying Skyrim (as seat of Talos worship) to save his own throne.  It's hard to know for sure whether what he did is justified or not.  Pretty ambiguous.

Modifié par Addai67, 23 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Addai67 wrote...

No, they invaded southern Morrowind and slaughtered everything in their path and then retreated.  The Hist was getting revenge for slave raids in which hist were damaged.

Source?

[Giggles_Manically]

The Argonian invasion was kind of stupid.

Under King Hlaau Helseth they gave up slavery as a practice. Minus house Dres.
Then again I beat him to death to get his UBER RING.

Hah.

[goofyomnivore]

I see it as the Emperor trying to live to fight another day. Men breed quicker than Mer, so chances are they're going to recover quicker and maybe come back even stronger for the next war. However he shot himself in the foot (like the Thalmor wanted) by agreeing to those terms. So I think he is a bad Emperor who made an incredibly stupid move.

Modifié par strive, 23 juin 2012 - 11:38 .

[Carcharoth42]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Wait, didn't the Argonians conquer Morrowind? Also, High Rock is still under Imperial control if I'm not mistaken.

They did, but I was referring to Red Mountain erupting and the giant rock falling on Vivec. As for High Rock, I don't see how the Empire could maintain control over them when they lost Skyrim.

[Addai]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

No, they invaded southern Morrowind and slaughtered everything in their path and then retreated.  The Hist was getting revenge for slave raids in which hist were damaged.

Source?

Heh, you were going to ask me that, weren't you.  lol  I can't remember where I read it.  In any case, they never took over all of Morrowind anyway.  Some of the refugees talk about returning and none of them mention the invasion.  edit- The Argonians have their own problems.  Umbriel destroyed the area around Lilmoth and killed a lot of people.  Plus they are isolationist by nature and I just don't see them as territorially ambitious.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 juin 2012 - 12:27 .

[Addai]

greengoron89 wrote...
The problem is that the Dominion has taken the war off the battlefield and turned it into a cold war of sorts - lots of subterfuge going on and attempts to dismantle the Empire from within through political machinations (as demonstrated by the Skyrim Civil War).

This is part of my distaste for the White-Gold Concordat - the battle has moved to a different and potentially more precarious front, softening the Empire up for another Thalmor invasion that could very well succeed the longer this treaty and civil unrest continue for.

Yes, and the Thalmor are masters at political manipulation whereas their record is more mixed as a military force.  Most of their conquest has been by political means.  So agreeing to play the political game with them is not only giving up your strongest weapon (Talos), your sovereignty, and any chance of surprise, you also embitter your most loyal subjects, the ones who fought for you- and you're allowing the enemy to use their strongest weapons and to choose the ground and the time of engaging you again.  There's no way that I can believe that this was anything but either a completely desperate or completely stupid move.  Even if the legions were at half strength, they should have fought.  They gained nothing and lost... potentially everything.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 juin 2012 - 12:36 .

[Giggles_Manically]

The problem is that the Thalmor hold most of the cards right now.

There WILL be another war, but the Empire is so beaten down it may not win again.
Now if only the Dragonborn could conquer the land and then kick the Thalmor's ass.

Some people think that future DLC will be more about the Thalmor and their forces then anything Dragonish,.

[Addai]

Ok, digging around a bit... in the novel The Lord of Souls, it says:

"'The lizards?' Marall's voice dripped with contempt. 'They're entirely parochial. Even if they could must the sort of arcane knowledge this would require, why would they bother? They're content in their swamps.'
'They invaded Morrowind.'
'For revenge. They stopped their advance decades ago, and haven't showed the slightest interest in doing anything since then.'
'Except keeping the empire from reclaiming their territory,' Colin pointed out."

So that's where I got the idea that the Argonians had stopped their invasion in southern Morrowind and probably already retreated.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 juin 2012 - 02:47 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Here is an interesting politcal map, obviously it gets Morrowind a bit messy, but it does showcase what is going on. There are four major powers (five if you count the Stormcloaks).
So...it seems that Tamriel has become Medieval Europe.

[Addai]

I believe the southern Nibenay, the area around Leyawiin, has also gone over to the Dominion.

And... I'm stuck.  In Dustman's Cairn, the gate of the little alcove where you're supposed to trap yourself is already down, so I can't get in it.  No Farkas saves the day. 

Modifié par Addai67, 24 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Addai67 wrote...

I believe the southern Nibenay, the area around Leyawiin, has also gone over to the Dominion.

No, the Empire completely destroyed the Elven Army in Cryodill after they retook the Imperial City. The remaining invasion force was busy battling the holdout army left behind in Hammerfell when the main Legion was recalled to Cryodill. Despite the major victory, the emperor still surrendered and was forced to both ban the worship of Talos and abandon Hammerfell.

Here's the problem. Hammerfell were able to hold out against the Thalmor for five years alone after the Empire left them! This shows the Empire could have won the Great War if they continued it. The treaty was for nothing.

http://www.uesp.net/...m:The_Great_War

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 24 juin 2012 - 04:50 .