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[ShepnTali]

I was watching a let's play on youtube, and this guy is about to assassinate the emporer on the ship (DB quest), and just as the emperor starts his dialogue, some random thug from nowhere runs in, stabs and kills him. Hilarious. And it still counted as quest complete.

[Haplose]

Elhanan wrote...
Think I will wait for DG after all, I had started the Spell Breaker quest, but upon review, this shield fails to allow for normal Blocking; believe I will simply wait for the Shield of Solitude.

No reason to wait. Just get the mod that removes level variations for levelled unique loot. It's a silly system anyway.

[Elhanan]

Haplose wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
Think I will wait for DG after all, I had started the Spell Breaker quest, but upon review, this shield fails to allow for normal Blocking; believe I will simply wait for the Shield of Solitude.

No reason to wait. Just get the mod that removes level variations for levelled unique loot. It's a silly system anyway.

Maybe; maybe not. Some folks already complain about a system that can allow overpowered items in play, and at least this rule set curtails a few of them. I am not a fan of Item Lvl Restrictions, but for those w/o the discipline to restrict their own gameplay (eg; use grinding, exploits, etc), this appears to try and help them.

[Haplose]

But it enforces meta-gaming (choosing to ignore certain quests/locations till appropriate level, just to avoid getting junk instead of valuable items) and/or, again (along with crafting), makes potentially useful rewards and loot useless.

If I play a Rogue, why should I not pursue the TG quests - out of fear that my epic Nightingale equipment will be junk, because my level was too low when I earned it? Chillrend too.

Really bad idea.

Modifié par Haplose, 03 juillet 2012 - 07:02 .

[Elhanan]

Haplose wrote...

But it enforces meta-gaming (choosing to ignore certain quests/locations till appropriate level, just to avoid getting junk instead of valuable items) and/or, again (along with crafting), makes potentially useful rewards and loot useless.

If I play a Rogue, why should I not pursue the TG quests - out of fear that my epic Nightingale equipment will be junk, because my level was too low when I earned it? Chillrend too.

Really bad idea.

But not everyone plays with such meta-gaming knowledge; some simply enjoy getting a nice set of gear as a reward. Not everyone searches the Wiki for min/max materials, and simply explore as they go along. While I tend to look for walkthrough details, my first playthrough tends to be less of this as I also like surprises occasionally.

If one did not know the item would improve by waiting until 30th, they may be content with whatever bonus appiled when found. However, if there was a way to continue to improve the item afterwards, that would be great, too!

[HoonDing]

greengoron89 wrote...

If you like Odahviing, wait till you meet Durnehviir - he's my new big bro in this playthrough.

Isn't that one of the dragons mentioned in Esbern's book?

[Joy Divison]

Haplose wrote...

But it enforces meta-gaming (choosing to ignore certain quests/locations till appropriate level, just to avoid getting junk instead of valuable items) and/or, again (along with crafting), makes potentially useful rewards and loot useless.

If I play a Rogue, why should I not pursue the TG quests - out of fear that my epic Nightingale equipment will be junk, because my level was too low when I earned it? Chillrend too.

Really bad idea.

This was one of the few things DA2 did right.  Unique equipment levels up with you for a while.  I don't like meta-gaming and waiting until level X to get unique gear.  I also don't think making Chillrend a daedric equivalent that players can have when they are happy with dwarven is the answer either.

[happy_daiz]

^ Wasn't that part of the DLC content? I believe that is a scripted occurrence in the Forgotten Vale. If they have added that to the vanilla game, well...that's pretty cool!

[Giggles_Manically]

I am kind of worried that no PC release date has been given.

[Elhanan]

I have started playing my first Alteration & Enchantment Dragonborn; wearing Adept Destruction robes currently, but is presently still a Breton rogusih lass at heart (ie; Sneak and Archery). She is currently 15th, I believe, and bears a strong resemblance to Sigrid in Riverwood (actually had to restart with a different hair color as the identical twin look was unsettling).

Pleasant surprises are the extra little bit of speed one gets when fleeing hired thugs (But she was a witch, and attacked me!), and the Circlets are finally presentable options. But the downside is if the foes get first shot (eg; Hired Thugs waiting outside city gates; thank goodness for just gaining Unrelenting Force Shout as a minor distraction).  Way squishier than an armored Mage presently.

My current plan is to use Fortify Alteration and Mana Regeneration later, but Novice Destruction spells are still useful currently. But I am seeking useful advice from more experienced players as I have not used Alteration much at all, and Enchantment is fairly new to me, too.

Thanks ahead of time!

Modifié par Elhanan, 03 juillet 2012 - 06:32 .

[legion999]

@Elhanan That's exactly the same thing I did. Minus the twin part though.

[Elhanan]

legion999 wrote...

@Elhanan That's exactly the same thing I did. Minus the twin part though.

Simply attempted to create a lovely Breton lass, and when I made it to Riverwood, realized that I had seen that face somewhere else besides the mirror....

[Addai]

I haven't done much with Alteration, usually I'd see it as a companion/ defensive school since I don't think there are any attacks in it. Maybe Paralysis would count. The mod Ancient Spells adds some good alteration spells from Morrowind and Oblivion, like Sea Stride, open locks, Slowfall, etc.

Enchantment is easy, you just load up on the cheaper soul gems and go to town. A useful combination for you might be to transmute ores (which builds your Alteration), make jewelry and enchant the jewelry to sell. Sleep before you do an enchanting round since that will build your skill faster.

Do you have a follower? Such a squishy build probably should have one.

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

I haven't done much with Alteration, usually I'd see it as a companion/ defensive school since I don't think there are any attacks in it. Maybe Paralysis would count. The mod Ancient Spells adds some good alteration spells from Morrowind and Oblivion, like Sea Stride, open locks, Slowfall, etc.

Enchantment is easy, you just load up on the cheaper soul gems and go to town. A useful combination for you might be to transmute ores (which builds your Alteration), make jewelry and enchant the jewelry to sell. Sleep before you do an enchanting round since that will build your skill faster.

Do you have a follower? Such a squishy build probably should have one.

Thanks for the Soul Gem tips; will have to start carrying more empties.

But it was Yrkoon's earlier Armor observation that makes me believe this will be able to run solo, too. Armor is designed to be hit, and she is made to be unseen as much as possible. And it is my hope that the higher Alteration ranks and perks will be bolstered by Fortify; thus allowing for a desired barrier at any time as well as more inate MR.

[Jestina]

Alteration is one of the magic schools I almost always invest in...for a little added defense and money making. I'm doing a two handed warrior/thief Nord now. X30 backstabbing ability combined with the wrecking power of a two handed weapon when sneak fails.

[Elhanan]

Jestina wrote...

Alteration is one of the magic schools I almost always invest in...for a little added defense and money making. I'm doing a two handed warrior/thief Nord now. X30 backstabbing ability combined with the wrecking power of a two handed weapon when sneak fails.

Yep; love me an archer that has more foes than a single bow can handle, and the imagined look on the faces of my enemy when they discover that closing with an Ebony Greatsword ain't the plan they had originally.

For now she is doing well, though a Dwarven bow simply looks far too bulky on this female form.

Question to all: Enchantment only? As she is not wearing armor, is Smithing advised to simply boost the weapons?

[Addai]

Ugh, gods... I am still getting so many CTD's and rooms not loading correctly. May have to do a complete re-install. Curses!

[Joy Divison]

@ Alteration magic. Mage armor is reasonably effective (just make sure you have no armor to get the most out of it. Sure you might like those sneak boots, but they'll lower your armor rating). The mage armor route actually has some synergy with enchantment - enchant gloves and shoes with NO armor (the gloves can actually be hard to find) with the enchantments you want. Some of the higher level perks are quite good (esp. magic resistance). Invest in duel casting so mage armor lasts longer. You'll still need something to eliminate the baddies though

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Ugh, gods... I am still getting so many CTD's and rooms not loading correctly. May have to do a complete re-install. Curses!

You could just use the fix I used, it repaired all my CTD.

[Jestina]

Elhanan wrote...
Question to all: Enchantment only? As she is not wearing armor, is Smithing advised to simply boost the weapons?

Not even light armor? I always do smithing...up the right side, for dragon and daedric, plus I grab arcane smithing too so I can upgrade my thief/assassin guild armors. You would probably want to take it even if it's only for weapons.

[Elhanan]

Joy Divison wrote...

@ Alteration magic. Mage armor is reasonably effective (just make sure you have no armor to get the most out of it. Sure you might like those sneak boots, but they'll lower your armor rating). The mage armor route actually has some synergy with enchantment - enchant gloves and shoes with NO armor (the gloves can actually be hard to find) with the enchantments you want. Some of the higher level perks are quite good (esp. magic resistance). Invest in duel casting so mage armor lasts longer. You'll still need something to eliminate the baddies though

This is where I hope Enchanting shines a little more. Being able to tailor which effects on specific gear should fit the design fairly well.

However, as I only saw Mage Armor being the only perk affected by mixed gear, I am wearing the best available gear currently until I get that addition.

[Elhanan]

Jestina wrote...

Not even light armor? I always do smithing...up the right side, for dragon and daedric, plus I grab arcane smithing too so I can upgrade my thief/assassin guild armors. You would probably want to take it even if it's only for weapons.

While I am wearing some light armor currently, and have a heavy shield, the high levels will probably be using only customized clothing. Main reason: have done the Arcane Warrior version already. And if I select Enchantment and Alteration, something else has to be missed.