The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Discussion Thread
#22901
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 10:19
Guest_greengoron89_*
The Empire is a necessary evil until the Aldmeri Dominion is dealt with - sorry, my Jarl. No hard feelings.
#22902
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 10:31
#22903
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 10:34
#22904
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 10:43
Just to explode some Thalmor.
Because they deserve.
They are the ponciest elves to ever ponce a ponce down Poncington st.
#22905
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 11:04
Because The Elder Scrolls VI: Summerset Isles sounds downright silly.
#22906
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 11:12
Giggles_Manically wrote...
I so want TES6 to be set on the Summerset Isles.
Just to explode some Thalmor.
Because they deserve.
They are the ponciest elves to ever ponce a ponce down Poncington st.
I set me gitfinda to panzee! Dere over dere!
#22907
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 11:20
No he doesn't. He's in despair like everyone in the mist, as Rikke is also, because the dead are being eaten there and feeding Alduin's power- not because he regrets his cause.greengoron89 wrote...
Ugh, more blind Ulfric hate - apparently people are too busy licking the Empire's boots to look at the these things from all angles and see Ulfric is not actually some devious, evil Nord Hitler (gotta love Godwin's law). I respect him and what he represents, and under different circumstances I'd gladly help him put the Empire out of its misery - but the Civil War is a huge mistake, and even he recognizes that in the end.
The Empire is a necessary evil until the Aldmeri Dominion is dealt with - sorry, my Jarl. No hard feelings.
Hammerfell demonstrated that you're better off without Cyrodiil in charge. Free men fight for their homes a lot more vigorously than those who do it because a boot is on their neck.
As for the video, YouTube will YouTube. The Dunmer get free land and are sovereignty to rule themselves but somehow this means they're oppressed. You just know they were the ones demanding that they not have a Nord jarl ruling over them. Now idiots like Ambarys Rendar get to say that's the Nords looking down on them.
Modifié par Addai67, 10 juillet 2012 - 11:22 .
#22908
Posté 10 juillet 2012 - 11:23
That's what I was thinking, too.Olaf_de_IJsbeer wrote...
Good thing the Thalmor already renamed the Isles to 'Alinor'.
Because The Elder Scrolls VI: Summerset Isles sounds downright silly.
I imagine TES VI will be there or in Valenwood.
#22909
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:03
Guest_greengoron89_*
Also, I do have a concern recently about Brunwulf Free-Winter being the new Jarl - I worry he will favor the Dunmer too much, and that could backfire on him later on. The last thing Windhelm would need after Ulfric's death is a weak-necked Jarl who tries too hard to get everyone to play nice together, especially when the Nords are no doubt embittered by their idol's demise (and themselves likely being oppressed by the Imperial forces).
Hmph. This is a really damn grey Civil War, isn't it? There are a lot of pros and cons to each side of the conflict, but in the end it feels like everybody loses. :/
Modifié par greengoron89, 11 juillet 2012 - 12:05 .
#22910
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:08
greengoron89 wrote...
They did say DLC would be released for PC and PS3 30 days after the Xbox release - expect it to release on or around July 26th - that's probably why they haven't announced anything yet tbh.
Now I was talking to the manager for my local Gamestop the other day and he said something about the DLC for PC wasn't being released til September can anyone out there conffirm this for me?
#22911
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:19
It was more evident to me this time when I did Season Unending- Esbern gets exasperated as he realizes nobody recognizes the danger that they are just making Alduin stronger by feeding him souls. It hit me that, until Esbern explains it, nobody including the dragonborn understands that. So if you got to Sovngarde and found the mist full of your comrades in despair, yeah, you'd be a bit emo. Kodlak is as well- he talks about regretting his life of bloody deeds- whereas I don't think if he was in his right mind that he would look on his warrior career that way. In-game he obviously believes he's worthy of Sovngarde or he wouldn't be working so hard to cure himself.greengoron89 wrote...
Hmm, upon review of what Ulfric actually says in Sovngarde, I see that he was referring to the Civil War being a mistake in regards to the Dragon Crisis (and indeed it was) - so I retract my statement about him admitting he was wrong about the Civil War as a whole.
I think Brunwulf has PTSD and he deals with his war guilt by building himself up as hero to the downtrodden, when in fact his promises are all empty and he'll only divert resources needed for war preparation to appeasing critics like Ambarys who are *never* going to be satisfied because it suits him to be an agitator. I could foresee the Dunmer being even more restless with Brunwulf's empty promises than Ulfric who doesn't powder their tails but does tell them like it is.Also, I do have a concern recently about Brunwulf Free-Winter being the new Jarl - I worry he will favor the Dunmer too much, and that could backfire on him later on. The last thing Windhelm would need after Ulfric's death is a weak-necked Jarl who tries too hard to get everyone to play nice together, especially when the Nords are no doubt embittered by their idol's demise (and themselves likely being oppressed by the Imperial forces).
#22912
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:33
Guest_greengoron89_*
Addai67 wrote...
I think Brunwulf has PTSD and he deals with his war guilt by building himself up as hero to the downtrodden, when in fact his promises are all empty and he'll only divert resources needed for war preparation to appeasing critics like Ambarys who are *never* going to be satisfied because it suits him to be an agitator. I could foresee the Dunmer being even more restless with Brunwulf's empty promises than Ulfric who doesn't powder their tails but does tell them like it is.
Indeed - the conditions the Dunmer live in are nowhere near as bad as Ambarys and Malthyr suggest, and the Argonians and Khajiit are treated no worse in Windhelm than they are in Solitude (or anywhere else for the Khajiit). All of that tripe about the Stormcloaks being racists sorta goes out the window the minute I hear citizens in Solitude talking about how scummy Argonians are and how they shouldn't be allowed in the city (though Jaree-Ra and Gulum-Ei are indeed scum, FWIW).
Ironically, the city most diverse in population is in Stormcloak territory - Riften is home to people of all races, short of the Khajiit, and they all seem to get along just fine.
At any rate, it seems the jury is out on who I'll be siding with in the Civil War this time - I guess I'll have to think on it for a while (again). >_>
EDIT: Also, I recall reading a rather... disturbing book called Dunmer of Skyrim which rather hatefully expresses a desire to drive the Nords out of power and "claim Skyrim as our own." It also expresses resentment over Ysgramor driving elves from Skyrim and mentions "higher powers" plotting a "slaughter" of the Nords. None of that sounds very good to me - it might be fake, or it could be true. Either way, perhaps putting a Jarl who is sympathetic to their cause in power is not such a good idea after all.
Modifié par greengoron89, 11 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .
#22913
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:37
In my new game I am doing my best just to avoid that whole conflict.
#22914
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 12:46
The ironic thing is that from a metagame standpoint, avoiding the conflict precisely IS the thing that helps the Thalmor the most. I would say it's best for Skyrim that you finish the quest line, no matter which side you choose. It's the endless chaos that they want, they say that right in Ulfric's dossier.termokanden wrote...
I hate it when a game makes it so obvious that the choices you are given are the wrong ones, but you are forced into one of them as no alternatives are offered, just so the clever writers can rub it in and make a point out of it. Yes, we get it already, the whole conflict is playing right into the Thalmor's hands. Why aren't we allowed to do something about it when it's so obvious?
In my new game I am doing my best just to avoid that whole conflict.
Of course I don't always do the CW myself, it depends on the character. Some want nothing to do with it.
Modifié par Addai67, 11 juillet 2012 - 12:47 .
#22915
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 02:04
termokanden wrote...
I hate it when a game makes it so obvious that the choices you are given are the wrong ones, but you are forced into one of them as no alternatives are offered, just so the clever writers can rub it in and make a point out of it. Yes, we get it already, the whole conflict is playing right into the Thalmor's hands. Why aren't we allowed to do something about it when it's so obvious?
In my new game I am doing my best just to avoid that whole conflict.
I use it as the reason why I'm slowly rising to power in all the guilds, becoming a thane of each hold and accumulating power. Uniting Skyrim from the shadows and letting the Thalmor believe the civil war has weakened it more than it has. When the time comes I will seize power and defend Skyrim from the forefront if I have to or fight a war from the shadows. I can dream atleast...
#22916
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 02:33
Because honestly what can Ulfric or Tullius say that compares to "I beat up Alduin"
Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 11 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .
#22917
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 02:53
#22918
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 03:04
#22919
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 03:28
Guest_greengoron89_*
I hope Mede being assassinated by the DB will become canon at any rate - it really feels like it was meant to.
Modifié par greengoron89, 11 juillet 2012 - 03:29 .
#22920
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 03:53
Modifié par Addai67, 11 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .
#22921
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 04:33
#22922
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 04:49
The tails... the tails...xiiFezz wrote...
I would want The Elder Scrolls:VI to be in Elsweyr (idk if thats spelled right) or Valenwood. The khajit just make elsweyr seem so cool, and one of the loading screens say that valenwood has giant migrating trees as cities..
Though Khajiit and Argonians have come a long way since Morrowind.
#22923
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 04:52
Addai67 wrote...
The tails... the tails...I'm afraid I would have to mod them out, they creep me out so much.
Though Khajiit and Argonians have come a long way since Morrowind.
Really, the only time the waving tails are bothersome for me are when they are attached to a dead Kitty; the Hitting the Books quest having a few of these on display.
#22924
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 04:56
greengoron89 wrote...
The Empire is a necessary evil until the Aldmeri Dominion is dealt with - sorry, my Jarl. No hard feelings.
I hear the in-game Empire apologists say things like that and that the Empire is the only thing keeping the Thalmor out of Skyrim.
Which is rather funny since when walking the roads of Skyrim I see lots of Thalmor leading away Nords in chains.
The Empire is what let the Thalmor IN Skyrim, it is not keeping them out.
#22925
Guest_greengoron89_*
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 05:20
Guest_greengoron89_*
Joy Divison wrote...
greengoron89 wrote...
The Empire is a necessary evil until the Aldmeri Dominion is dealt with - sorry, my Jarl. No hard feelings.
I hear the in-game Empire apologists say things like that and that the Empire is the only thing keeping the Thalmor out of Skyrim.
Which is rather funny since when walking the roads of Skyrim I see lots of Thalmor leading away Nords in chains.
The Empire is what let the Thalmor IN Skyrim, it is not keeping them out.
I think the idea behind supporting the Empire in the Civil War is to try and keep it together long enough for the them to recover their strength and kick the Dominion out for good - but there are questions as to whether the White-Gold Concordat was even necessary to begin with, or if the Empire can actually hold out against the Dominion long enough to get back on their feet.
The Emperor took a big risk signing that blasted treaty and swinging the gates open for the Thalmor - so far, it has not worked out in the Empire's favor. Hammerfell is no longer a part of the Empire and likely never will be again, and no doubt the Dominion is playing politics (their greatest weapon) within the Empire itself (as evidenced by the Skyrim Civil War).
It's a really s***ty situation for all of Tamriel - and the cost will be great no matter who wins the Civil War.
Modifié par greengoron89, 11 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .





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