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[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Those random vampire attacks do sound annoying. They will feel the wrath of Shadowmere's hooves.

[Druss99]

@Greengoron: I agree most of the vampires in DG are more horror monsters than sexy weirdo vampires that modern media has turned the vampire into. But then there's Serana, there seems to be an outcry from people finding her sexy and wanting to marry her. I'd prefer if they fleshed her out a bit more, made her more monstrous. As far as I can tell on the DG side she is just like anyone else, except she is also a vampire. She should be vampire first and everything else second. If that makes sense, I've possibly made this point very badly...

Anyway I feared the worst with the vampires in DG but I've been very pleasantly surprised and without giving any spoilers I'd urge those on the fence with worries caused by the modern vampire craze to take a chance on DG, hopefully you will be as pleasantly surprised as me.

Edit: Damn it, ninja'd by future Jarl Olaf.

Modifié par Druss99, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:12 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

I kind of expect that 'sexy teenage vampires' have no place in Skyrim because they wouldn't survive ten minutes outside a city (or inside one, for that matter), but I guess I still can be surprised.

Druss99 wrote...
Edit: Damn it, ninja'd by future Jarl Olaf.

 
If only that were my real name. =D That'd be awesome.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Well then, he will acknowledge that werewolves are better than vampires when I tear his windpipe from his throat.

Even though I almost never transform, defeating the point of having lycanthropy a bit. I guess my Dovahkiin will have to do that with his bare hands.

All right, I've decided that I will defeat the final boss of Dawnguard with naught but my Daedric gauntlets. And the occasional Close Wounds.

[termokanden]

greengoron89 wrote...

The quality of the two books has nothing to do with it, matey - they still both feature the "sexy and seductive" vampire archetype. Now let's drop this and get back to discussing the topic at hand, if you don't mind.

I was simply objecting to lumping the two together in any way, that's all there is to it. I'd like to think there was more to the Anne Rice vampires than simply "sexy and seductive", but I haven't read any Anne Rice in quite a few years.

Speaking of Skyrim and vampires, I am hoping there's a little more meat to the story in Dawnguard other than just "evil vampires, kill or join?". I did become a vampire in Skyrim once and I tried it in Morrowind as well and there wasn't much to it. It just seemed like a handicap really.

I also happen to have a question for all you sneaky types: I have a sneaky character for the first time but I have only invested very little in the sneaking tree. How worthwhile would you say more points in the first skill is, and how well does the whole Shadow Warrior thing work?

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

termokanden wrote...
I also happen to have a question for all you sneaky types: I have a sneaky character for the first time but I have only invested very little in the sneaking tree. How worthwhile would you say more points in the first skill is, and how well does the whole Shadow Warrior thing work?

With Shadow Warrior, you can basically run a small distance away out of sight of enemies, crouch and wait for them to lose aggro. I believe the wiki also mentions that you can use the time window between enemies losing focus on you and then reacquiring it to quickly sneak attack them. All in all, if your character is the sneaky type, I certainly think Shadow Warrior is a worthy addition to your set of abilities.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[termokanden]

Ah yes quickly sneak-attacking again sounds very useful. And yes I'm the sneaky type. Almost feels like cheating, but it's certainly fun when you're used to charging in.

Modifié par termokanden, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .

[LPPrince]

Sneaking comes naturally to me any time I enter a cave or dungeon.

Aura Whisper is my most used shout for a reason.

[Druss99]

I don't think investing in the first skill in sneak is super important. I've only taken that one up to level 3 and it's been no real hindrance, I'm rarely ever spotted when in sneak mode.

@ Greengoron; I've only played through the DG side so I've not seen much of Serana's more vampiric side. I suppose adding a mechanic where you have to manage her various stages of vampirism and feeding would have got annoying after a while.

I just finished DG about 10 minutes ago. As far as DLC goes I'd give it a 10/10.

Modifié par Druss99, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[LPPrince]

You can...*spoilers*

Haha, you can turn Serana back into her human form after the DLC is over. Though her dialogue remains unchanged, I believe. *end spoilers*

Tra la la...

[Druss99]

Oh I know you don't have to manage her vampirism. I was suggesting(rather badly) that to more emphasise her vampirism you could have to manage it by making sure she is fed etc. In hindsight it was a horrible idea.

*Spoilers*

What difference does curing her actually make gameplaywise?

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

*spoiler*

So the only people who would cure Serana of her vampirism are roleplayers. =D

[wickedgoodreed]

**Spoilers**

Actually, cured!Serana keeps all her spells including vampiric drain, oddly enough. Though, yes, you do lose the option to have her turn you into a vampire. On the plus side, you can cast healing spells on her and no longer have to worry about friendly fire from AoE powers that harm the undead. Also, as one might expect, she'll show up when using detect life.

[Yrkoon]

termokanden wrote...


I also happen to have a question for all you sneaky types: I have a sneaky character for the first time but I have only invested very little in the sneaking tree. How worthwhile would you say more points in the first skill is, and how well does the whole Shadow Warrior thing work?

Stealth (the bottom, 5/5 perk) is actually not that great at all, you can essentially ignore it after spending that initial point  that gives  you access to everything else on the tree.   (and eventually, you'll find a simple ring or necklace that will give you better sneak than  if you had spent 4 points on that perk) On the other hand, the next perk on the left  (Muffled movement), you'll want to take that one as soon as you can, because it makes a huge difference in your sneak success rate, especially if you're wearing heavier armor.

The Backstab Perks on the right - are game changers.  Depending on your build, they will define it.  Not much more to say about them as their descriptions speak for themselves.

Lightfoot, silent roll, and silence are alright.  Lightfoot is probably the best of the bunch  (no more triggering pressure plates when you walk over them.  yea!) but in the end they're more like  extras for convenience and/or roleplaying.


Lastly,  Shadow Warrior:  If you're an archer, shadow warrior's true potential probabaly won't show itself to you.  But  If you're a melee type it's the best perk in the tree.  It's magic.      If you're in front of an enemy  fully detected and fighting, just crouch and Poof!  (literally, in a cloud of smoke)  You're Gone.  so your next attack, or even next series of attacks become backstabs.  If you're wielding daggers  this usually means the instant death of the opponent.  I've lost count of the number of Giants and pesky mages I've killed using Shadow Warrior

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

I've lost track of how many Sabre Cats I've punched to death in this session. Damned kitties keep throwing themselves at me.

I also Become Ethereal'd off a cliff, only to meet an Elder Dragon there. It has suffered the death of a thousand fists as well.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:22 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

ROFL XD I went to Markarth to collect the bounty on that Elder Dragon. Once there, I remembered I hated Ondolemar very, very much, even though he regarded me as a friend after I completed his quest. Filthy Thalmor rat. Indeed, the Elder Dragon was not to be the last victim of the Dovahkiin's fists: Ondolemar and his two Thalmor escorts were punched to death by Skyrim's greatest hero, whose punishment consisted of a 40 septim fine.

I then roamed about the city, looking for any quests I might have missed. A courier ran up to me, delivering a letter of inheritance. I was frightened that an NPC friend of mine got killed in a random dragon attack or something, and with fear in my heart, I opened the letter. Guess whose inheritance it was?

Ondolemar's, whom I had just killed with my hands.

Just wanted to share that with you.

Modifié par Olaf_de_IJsbeer, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .

[termokanden]

Thanks for the detailed reply Yrkoon. I was hoping the bottom stealth perk might decrease the detection radius or something. Perhaps it does, but I am actually doing well enough without more than 1 point. and this is without sneaking gear.

Goes without saying I have the backstabbing perks. Bought them as soon as I could.

The muffled movement perk looks fine, but I also have the perk that makes light armor weightless. If it doesn't weigh anything, surely there's no weight penalty for sneaking?

But even as an archer, I have to say that Shadow Warrior sounds promising. Just for all those times when I don't quite kill them before they reach me or when I forget to sneak and someone sees me.

Silent roll? Sounds useless. But I have to pick it up anyway so I guess we'll see.

Modifié par termokanden, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:55 .

[Yrkoon]

Silent roll is deceptively useful, if you've got a lot of stamina.

As you know, walking around in a crouch is a slow thing. But if you keep silent rolling, it's almost like sprinting, you cover a lot of ground fast. But IMO it looks silly and really, stealth characters who need to sprint should just  un-crouch and do the real thing.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[Carcharoth42]

Used the Aetherial Crown to get unlimited use from the Ritual Stone. Got an army of Forsworn, a Legion patrol, a hagraven and a giant. A Markarth guard tried to arrest me and I resisted. Game froze from to much awesome.

[dragonflight288]

I personally loved Dawn Guard. Me and my brother decided to go opposite paths. My Dunmer pretty much did all the evil stuff. Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, joined Harkan as a vampire, and he joined the Companions and the Dawn Guard. He loves the

***SPOILERS***

crossbows and the bolts that explode on impact. He has fun having an armored troll follow him. He cured Serana of her vampirism.

As for me. I greatly enjoyed being a vampire lord. Especially when once a day I could change the sky to remove my penalties. I also am in love with the ability to summon gargoyles. Not the best summon out there, but with all my range spells, gargoyle, and poisoned claws, I felt more than confidant that I could take on almost all opponents. Even faced Harkon as a vampire. He and I, two vampire lords duking it out for control of the castle.

[Elhanan]

Yrkoon wrote...

termokanden wrote...

I also happen to have a question for all you sneaky types: I have a sneaky character for the first time but I have only invested very little in the sneaking tree. How worthwhile would you say more points in the first skill is, and how well does the whole Shadow Warrior thing work?

Stealth (the bottom, 5/5 perk) is actually not that great at all, you can essentially ignore it after spending that initial point  that gives  you access to everything else on the tree.   (and eventually, you'll find a simple ring or necklace that will give you better sneak than  if you had spent 4 points on that perk) On the other hand, the next perk on the left  (Muffled movement), you'll want to take that one as soon as you can, because it makes a huge difference in your sneak success rate, especially if you're wearing heavier armor.

The Backstab Perks on the right - are game changers.  Depending on your build, they will define it.  Not much more to say about them as their descriptions speak for themselves.

Lightfoot, silent roll, and silence are alright.  Lightfoot is probably the best of the bunch  (no more triggering pressure plates when you walk over them.  yea!) but in the end they're more like  extras for convenience and/or roleplaying.

Lastly,  Shadow Warrior:  If you're an archer, shadow warrior's true potential probabaly won't show itself to you.  But  If you're a melee type it's the best perk in the tree.  It's magic.      If you're in front of an enemy  fully detected and fighting, just crouch and Poof!  (literally, in a cloud of smoke)  You're Gone.  so your next attack, or even next series of attacks become backstabs.  If you're wielding daggers  this usually means the instant death of the opponent.  I've lost count of the number of Giants and pesky mages I've killed using Shadow Warrior

I prefer to take all the perks, and leave other options for gear besides Fortify Sneak bonuses; season for personal taste.

But Shadow Warrior is terrific for an archer, too; hovering dragons that stop breathing fire and go huh? never gets old in my games. It also allows for an extra shot or two occasionally.

One downside to heavy Sneak is sometimes a needed Dragon soul will fly by unaware, so with Shadow Warrior you may choose to remain upright for speed in travel and gain notice of opponents, than fade from view with a single move.

This is the one perk tree I alwaus fill; way to much fun to skip.

[Giggles_Manically]

So got back to playing my Orc is fun.
He married Aela and all the companions showed up for the wedding.

Then for their honeymoon they slaughtered bandits by the score.
True love blooms in Skyrim