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[Phonantiphon]

I've played about a hundred hours in Skyrim of fairly hardcore roleplay and you know what? Skyrim was inadvertently responsible for me finding my way back to Dragon Age again - and I have to thank it for that I must say.
When - (after DAO, DAA, and DA2) - I eventually get back to the TES universe it will be to Oblivion, not Skyrim.
Now don't get me wrong, I really like Skyrim but it's something important compared to Oblivion - Soul, a heart if you will. It's also missing some very important things compared to DA - gameplay, really top notch acting, a decent plot. the ability to have lots of stuff happening at once without suffering a nervous breakdown...

[Addai]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I wish I could support an anarchy option. I was so upset with Fallout New Vegas because I sided with the NCR thinking it was the moral choice. It wasn't until they started asking me to butcher the Brotherhood that I realized they were no better then the Legion. I don't want to invest in a power that is corrupt. It makes me not want to play that part of the game at all. I generally hate government anyways so having to do chores for a specific power or organization drains all the fun out for me.

See, I love that.  I also sided with the NCR first and finding out they weren't the good guys made me respect the game story more.  Indy is the feel-good option in FNV, but I think Mr. House has a lot to recommend him.

As for Stormcloaks and Imperials, I'm a 'cloak at heart, no doubt about it.  The racism is exaggerated.  All the races in Tamriel look down on each other.  Dunmer think other races are animals and enslaved them, though they gradually got around to admitting that humans were "a problem,"  i.e. might not be animals after all.  And then there's the Altmer.

I also think a lot of people misunderstand the situation in Windhelm because they never find the Refugee's Rest and read the Decree of Monument.  That puts things in a different light.  The enclaves were meant as a concession to Dunmer independence.  Skyrim took in refugees from both Vvardenfell and Orsinium.  The sad thing is that they watered down TES xenophobia a lot for the mainstream crowd and people still freak out about it.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

One of my favorite pastimes will be walking up to the Thalmor embassy and killing them in unarmed combat. It's the best way to show that mer are not in fact superior to men.

[termokanden]

The racism isn't the only thing to dislike about the Stormcloaks though. The evidence all seems to suggest that Ulfric is just powerhungry.

That said, I just can't seem to side with the Empire, never done it, and I just can't stand them. I do wish something could persuade me to join them in my current game. I want to try something new. I have been avoiding the choice for a long time now.

My favorite part of the whole conflict is the basement full of people who just hate your guts. I go to visit them sometimes just to feel the hate.

[Kathleen321]

^ Why you hating on the Thalmor? They have the sickest outfits ever. I wish I had me a pair of thalmor boots and gloves. I would wear them on a regular basis lol.

[termokanden]

Uhm... they are arrogant and downright evil. No redeeming qualities whatsoever. Well, apart from the admittedly awesome outfits.

[Addai]

termokanden wrote...

The racism isn't the only thing to dislike about the Stormcloaks though. The evidence all seems to suggest that Ulfric is just powerhungry.

The empire wanting to rule the whole continent isn't power-hungry?  I don't get this criticism.  If you want to achieve something, especially something as monumental as kicking the empire out of the place where it started, then you need power to do it.

My favorite part of the whole conflict is the basement full of people who just hate your guts. I go to visit them sometimes just to feel the hate.

Balgruuf calling me a milk drinker, now that's low. 

My Altmer mage wore self-crafted, self-enchanted Thalmor robes, even though she was an anti-Thalmor agent.  Superior tailoring I will give them.  But wanting to unmake the whole world, that puts a damper on their completely non-existent charm.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:56 .

[Druss99]

You should be able to overthow Ulfric anyway. By the end of the civil war and main plot you're thu'um(sp?) is stronger than his, you've defeated Alduin, if you sided with the Stormcloaks then you've fought in every major battle while Ulfric sat on his thrown. You're a war hero who doesn't have question marks over his head. The Stormcloaks have seen what you can do, so taking power should be easy...If you're a Nord.

[Kathleen321]

^ I kinda want to just assassinate everyone.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Druss99 wrote...

You should be able to overthow Ulfric anyway. By the end of the civil war and main plot you're thu'um(sp?) is stronger than his, you've defeated Alduin, if you sided with the Stormcloaks then you've fought in every major battle while Ulfric sat on his thrown. You're a war hero who doesn't have question marks over his head. The Stormcloaks have seen what you can do, so taking power should be easy...If you're a Nord.

My Redguard should be able to do that. I would lead the Stormcloaks into Hammerfell to liberate it from the Thalmor and found the Republic of Tamrielic Nations I was talking about a few pages back. Then, my army would consume the Thalmor and the Empire both and lead Tamriel into an eternal utopia.

And anyone who doesn't like it can just go throw themselves off High Hrothgar. I might send them on their way with a nice FUS RO DAH, too.

[Addai]

Druss99 wrote...

You should be able to overthow Ulfric anyway. By the end of the civil war and main plot you're thu'um(sp?) is stronger than his, you've defeated Alduin, if you sided with the Stormcloaks then you've fought in every major battle while Ulfric sat on his thrown. You're a war hero who doesn't have question marks over his head. The Stormcloaks have seen what you can do, so taking power should be easy...If you're a Nord.

Well you can have that as a private headcanon, just as some want to make the dovahkiin the new emperor, but Bethesda's never gonna do that.  The Hero will have some mystical fate that won't be written into history books.

@Olaf:  The redguard already liberated themselves from the Thalmor, 20 years prior to game time.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:05 .

[Kathleen321]

Why can't we make dovahkiin the new emperor... it makes more sense then the options we have.

[Olaf_de_IJsbeer]

Addai67 wrote...
@Olaf:  The redguard already liberated themselves from the Thalmor, 20 years prior to game time.

Awwww. =(

I still think allying with Hammerfell would be a stellar idea.

[Addai]

Just being dragonborn doesn't make you qualified to be emperor. As to why Bethesda isn't going to do it, that's because they leave the ending unwritten so the player can fill in their own. The hero of the story might have some grand destiny like the Champion of Cyrodiil mantling Sheogorath, but they're not going to pin down "and then Nermal the Khajiit became emperor in 4E 204..." because... that's just not how they do things.

[termokanden]

Addai67 wrote...

The empire wanting to rule the whole continent isn't power-hungry?  I don't get this criticism.  If you want to achieve something, especially something as monumental as kicking the empire out of the place where it started, then you need power to do it.

The Empire's power-hunger is irrelevant. It's a question of Ulfric's motivation rather than his methods. I'm just pointing out yet again that no side is "good".

Just to be clear, the Stormcloaks are still the obvious choice for me, which is why I have not yet joined the Empire with any character.

Modifié par termokanden, 16 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Neither side in the civil war is truly good or bad.

I do feel for the nords though.
You have to give land up to refugees, send soldiers to fight and die, suffer great losses, and THEN have your main god taken away.

But when the option hopefully comes up teaching the Thalmor a few lessons will be fun.

[termokanden]

That would be a nice DLC. Not just a one-sided beatdown though. Some more background on that conflict, a way to help them or try to stop them perhaps.

[Druss99]

Addai67 wrote...

Druss99 wrote...

You should be able to overthow Ulfric anyway. By the end of the civil war and main plot you're thu'um(sp?) is stronger than his, you've defeated Alduin, if you sided with the Stormcloaks then you've fought in every major battle while Ulfric sat on his thrown. You're a war hero who doesn't have question marks over his head. The Stormcloaks have seen what you can do, so taking power should be easy...If you're a Nord.

Well you can have that as a private headcanon, just as some want to make the dovahkiin the new emperor, but Bethesda's never gonna do that.  The Hero will have some mystical fate that won't be written into history books.

@Olaf:  The redguard already liberated themselves from the Thalmor, 20 years prior to game time.

Yeah I meant as private head canon because it only really applies to Nords. My ability to explain things has become shockingly bad.

[xiiFezz]

I would still shoot em all given the chance

[legion999]

Addai67 wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

I wish I could support an anarchy option. I was so upset with Fallout New Vegas because I sided with the NCR thinking it was the moral choice. It wasn't until they started asking me to butcher the Brotherhood that I realized they were no better then the Legion. I don't want to invest in a power that is corrupt. It makes me not want to play that part of the game at all. I generally hate government anyways so having to do chores for a specific power or organization drains all the fun out for me.

See, I love that.  I also sided with the NCR first and finding out they weren't the good guys made me respect the game story more.  Indy is the feel-good option in FNV, but I think Mr. House has a lot to recommend him.

Eh independence seems like a good idea but depending on your choices it can vary from a good choice to an awful one. Same with all the endings really. Except for the Legion. 

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
* Ability to blend in with Thalmer at parties is overrated; still need to ignore questions and keep walking. Sneaking is easier and more immersive.

Did you have hooded Thalmor robes?  I went right up to justiciars and talked to them.  You have a Persuade check with the door guard of Elenwen's solarium that's only there for Altmer.

Yep; had a couple sets of my own aquired from the College of Magic quests, though I did not attend the actual party in them.

The guards would pose some inquiry as to my post, duties, etc, and it was fine if I kept walking and said nothing. But one of the Justicars I normally stealth actually drew a blade, though he did not use it as I slipped into a new transition.

[Elhanan]

termokanden wrote...

I don't dislike them really, I just can't seem to make a high elf PC that I can stand. I have this problem with more of the races. Limitation of character creation. I am very perfectionist about my characters, and I ALWAYS find little flaws that annoy my so much that I must start over.

The Thalmor, on the other hand, well let's just say I make a point out of turning them inside out. They really are the ultimate evil in this game.

I am not fond of the typical Elven look either (ie; High, Dark, Wood), but Orcs are great.

That said, I have made ones with smaller eyes and broader jaws to appear rather formidable and dashing, IMO. My only problem with my current High Elf is that his skin and eye color appear a little jaundiced in varied lighting, so I write it off to some past illness; still looks way better than the other Elves at the Thalmor shindig.

[Elhanan]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I'm level 30 but I am not very far into the main quest line. I'm not sure if I'm going to side with the stormcloaks or the imperials yet. Should I get further into- or finish the main quest first?

Personally, I prefer to complete the Civil War first in order to avoid frustration over the Treaty redux. But one should play it first to see the extra quest making said Treaty and gain more insight to the various representatives.

[Yrkoon]

Jestina wrote...

termokanden wrote...
How you guys reach level 81 is beyond me. My highest level characters is 53.

With the flawed reward system it's impossible, unless you do things outside of your character. Your only reward in this game comes from grinding skills so a warrior would be forced to learn mage/thief skills to keep leveling up. Yet another area of the game that's poorly thought out.

Back for more, eh?

Hilarious that you'd call Flawed, a system  specifically designed to  reward  active customization, rather than some  uniform system where  everyone can become good at every skill, even the ones they've never used


Of course, who are we kidding?  Had they made it so that your skill points got to be chosen upon level up, rather than earned through  actually practicing that skill, you'd complain that the game doesn't  have realistic advancement.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 juillet 2012 - 12:46 .