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[LPPrince]

happy_daiz wrote...

So much negativity in this thread today. Maybe this will make you smile.

Yeah, I'm gonna leave this thread while its like this.

Not comfortable posting here while everyone's constantly arguing.

[happy_daiz]

Druss99 wrote...

^ You're characters always seem to come out better than mine. Do you spend ages in the CC?

Bad memories of pic 2! Speaking of which, did you manage to find all the...items there and return them to...the place they go? I found the prize to be rather useful.

Aww, thanks! No, not really. I'd like to think I'm just getting good at using the cc.  I'm kind of addicted to creating new characters, you know.

No, I didn't find them all. Too much to do, and it's such a massive area! After two times in there, I do know my way around much better.

I haven't started DG in this playthrough yet, and didn't finish my vampire run. I wasn't thrilled with how my Nord looked as a vamp, tbh. I thought there would be a remarkable difference between a fresh feeding and blood-starved, but on her, it looked the same. Her complexion went to crap either way. I'll get back to that one sometime.

I'm toying with the idea of making this Khajiit a vamp, but I don't know. I kinda like her how she looks - not sure if glowy eyes and big teeth will look right, but I guess I could just try it when the time comes, and reload if I don't like it.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[Jestina]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...
Skyrim is hardly quilty here. In fact I doubt a system that "makes sense"" can ever be built.

Actually the systems that reward for almost every type of activity work out better. It just takes more thought in balancing it out. The problem in Skyrim is that raising a skill has too much of an impact on your characters overall power growth. The crafting skills are particularly unbalanced. Most of my characters power base came through no threat activities such as smithing, sneaking, playing with locks, spamming a spell, etc. as opposed to high threat activities which netted very little experience gain.

[Yrkoon]

Jestina wrote...

They just like ignoring aspects of the game that are not disputable, like the fact that you only gain experience through one activity. A recluse grinding a skill will progress faster than say a character adventuring all over Skyrim. The reward system promotes skill grinding more than anything else. There's no natural progression at all in it.

  OK, You were warned about making demonstrably false claims.     It's Demonstration time now, I guess.

Your claim is BS.  You can gain experience  (literally gain skills) by actual adventuring and turning in quests.  Would you like some examples? 

-- Ysolda and Ameren in Whiterun will reward your dungeon-diving and fetch questing by giving you free training in Speech, One-handed, and  Blocking.

--At least 3 members of the bards college will reward your adventuring and  questing by giving you free training in Speech, 2-handed, one-handed, Blocking, Restoration, Destruction, Alteration, Conjuration, lockpicking, pickpockeing, Heavy armor, and Light Armor.

-The Ghost Bard at Bard's leap Summet will reward your  daring adventuring with a  Speech leveling.

--The Alchemist in Solitude will reward your adventuring and questing by  giving you free training in Alchemy.

--Doing Hermeas Mora's quest will result in a MASSIVE exp boost to a whole CATEGORY of your skills.  Enough to gain you from 2-5 actual LEVELS of experience dependng on when you do it,

And this is all just a very small  number of the total examples  contained in the game  There's also the mage college quests, and Anneke Crag-jumper's quest, to name a few more..

Jestina wrote...
A recluse grinding a skill will progress faster than say a character adventuring all over Skyrim. The reward system promotes skill grinding more than anything else.

False.  You cannot be a  strictly grinding recluse in this game.  The economy doesn't allow it.  Without adventuring and making frequent forays into the wilds to gather  crafting/alchemy ingredients  you will  be forced to try and buy these components from merchants, which you won't be able to afford without money, which you can't make without adventuring.  And this is to say nothing of the fact that merchant stock is level scaled and you won't even FIND  purchaseablde stuff like Ebony or dwarven ingots before a certain level.

And forget about Enchanting.  Enchanting recipes  can't be bought, unless you wish to spend an exhorborant amount of money, that you don't have, in order to buy enchanted gear to disenchant, and then spend more  money you don't have purchasing  a merchant's very limited supply of filled soul gems.

And even if we totally ignore all of the above, your claim is STILL false.  I can level Blocking a hell of a lot faster than Smithing, can't you?  In fact, the combination of Blocking, sneak, lockpicking and 2-handed from a single 2 hour adventuring session can easily advance you in both  levels and wealth faster than 2 hours of smith-grinding in town, especially considering a town's limited stock of crafting components in any single  given session..

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:33 .

[Druss99]

@ Happy Daiz: Ah, crazy amounts of practice make perfect, you leveled your CC'ing. The CC disapointed me, the words "WHY DO I NEED HAIR?!?!" were shouted at the tv. I haven't seen his face in a long long time, but from what I remember he looks like an aging alcoholic with mental issues. It was the best I could come up with so you've definately won lol.

They are a bollocks to find, I recommend the wiki guide to find them.

Most vamps I've seen have just looked like regular people with red eyes, they seem to have toned down screwing with peoples created faces there.

[Yrkoon]

Jestina wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...
Skyrim is hardly quilty here. In fact I doubt a system that "makes sense"" can ever be built.

Actually the systems that reward for almost every type of activity work out better.

There's no such system  in any game ever made.

[wickedgoodreed]

Becoming a vampire lord did not do my Nord's face any favors. Her new skin tone and the drips of blood around her eyes, lips and nose (ew) totally clashed with her hair color. Hideous.

[Elhanan]

Based on my little experience thus far, a robed Alteration mage is far more complex to play than armored versions. While it is sweet to be running around with extra carrying capacity, having to be certain the current candy shell is in place is more like work than play.

My theory is that it might be beter to skip the Mage Armor perks altogether, and combo up on any gear one finds desirable.

And while it is tough to get Enchantment perks in place (ie; priorities tend to go to other skills), the end effects are quite nice. Being able to design and tailor gear is very appealing. It is easy to see that this focus and Smithing would yield a Juggernaut.

Modifié par Elhanan, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .

[Jestina]

Yrkoon wrote...
There's no such system  in any game ever made.

You have zero experience with RPG's.

[Yrkoon]

Jestina wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
There's no such system  in any game ever made.

You have zero experience with RPG's.

By all means.  Show me a single RPG that rewards you exp for each action/activity you perform.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 juillet 2012 - 02:54 .

[happy_daiz]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Becoming a vampire lord did not do my Nord's face any favors. Her new skin tone and the drips of blood around her eyes, lips and nose (ew) totally clashed with her hair color. Hideous.

I've been thinking about doing a before/after comparison of my Nord. I need to snap a photo of the "after", and will hopefully get one posted in the next couple of days.

Here is the before:

[RedArmyShogun]

I'ld like to see a good example as well.

[Giggles_Manically]

I suggest we all sit in a circle and smoke some skooma peeps

[Yrkoon]

That would be "useless" and "flawed" since you can't gain EXP from sitting in a circle and smoking skooma. LOL

[Giggles_Manically]

Yrkoon wrote...

That would be "useless" and "flawed" since you can't gain EXP from sitting in a circle and smoking skooma. LOL

Nonsense it will level my alchemy skill. 

[happy_daiz]

How does one 'smoke' skooma? I thought it was a liquid, since it came in a bottle? Heck, I don't know. Do you think moon sugar would do the same job, or does it need that other ingredient?

I am not well-versed in skooma.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[Giggles_Manically]

happy_daiz wrote...

How does one 'smoke' skooma? I thought it was a liquid, since it came in a bottle? Heck, I don't know. Do you think moon sugar would do the same job, or does it need that other ingredient?

I am not well-versed in skooma.

UseSkooma is smoked using skooma pipes or ingested without paraphernalia by drinking it in its liquid form. Moon Sugar can be eaten for a small kick.

[Yrkoon]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

That would be "useless" and "flawed" since you can't gain EXP from sitting in a circle and smoking skooma. LOL

Nonsense it will level my alchemy skill. 

Bah, so now we have to  grind  for our skooma.     Some party!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:19 .

[Druss99]

Anyone want a bite of giant's toe?

[LPPrince]

Ooh, positivity's back.

Yay!(that negativity didn't last long)

[Yrkoon]

happy_daiz wrote...


I am not well-versed in skooma.

Aren't you a Khajiit?  Skooma knowledge is supposed to be in your DNA.

[LPPrince]

Druss99 wrote...

Anyone want a bite of giant's toe?

Eww. No.

Mammoth Cheese is all good though.

[happy_daiz]

Yrkoon wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...


I am not well-versed in skooma.

Aren't you a Khajiit?  Skooma knowledge is supposed to be in your DNA.

I'm feigning ignorance? 

[Addai]

Jestina wrote...

The problem is that someone sitting in the comfort of town, piddling with crafting skills, casting spells on cattle etc. will level up faster than someone that is actually out adventuring and fighting. For the people who prefer questing, combat, etc. to skill building...they get nothing.

Right, so now we know for sure that you haven't ever actually played Skyrim.  [ignore]

So, you learn something every day.  I've always freed the Stormcloak prisoners, and started out by giving them items, but I stopped doing that because they'd never use them and would just try to punch the imperial guards.  Was traveling in the Rift and saw one of those patrols.  My current character uses Kyne's Peace shout a lot to avoid having to kill all the local wildlife, but this backfired when I freed a Stormcloak prisoner who ran down the road and proceeded to get mauled by the bears she had pacified.  I reloaded, killed the bears, then went to free the prisoner again.  I decided I should roleplay giving him stuff even if he doesn't use it- my character would never let someone run off into the wilderness without food, potions, a weapon etc.  I had a really nice dwarven Axe of Debilitation in my inventory so I thought, what the hell, I have so much gold that the 'cloak can have it.

Turn around and see a bear charging at him- one I'd missed in my bear massacre.  I lined up an archery shot thinking, this guy is dead if I don't make this shot.  He pulls out his dwarven axe and starts wailing on the bear, killed him in two hits, then ran off barefoot.  Like a boss! 

Modifié par Addai67, 17 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .