So does the latest beta patch do anything in the way of fixing voice related bugs? For some reason I'm not hearing certain named dragons talk. Like the one you first face outside of Whiterun.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 01:28
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I finished up Arniel Gane's quests last night (Arniel's Endeavor), and received his shade. I think that just might be the most abrupt ending to a questline that I've ever seen. 
I notice that Faralda now has all of the Expert Destruction spells available for me. I bought Incinerate from her, but crikey, it costs a lot to cast. I need to figure out a better way to reduce spellcasting costs.
It's getting to the point that I'm worried about actually casting some of these spells, for fear of torching my follower by friendly fire. Being a mage can be a lonely road.
I notice that Faralda now has all of the Expert Destruction spells available for me. I bought Incinerate from her, but crikey, it costs a lot to cast. I need to figure out a better way to reduce spellcasting costs.
It's getting to the point that I'm worried about actually casting some of these spells, for fear of torching my follower by friendly fire. Being a mage can be a lonely road.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 01:42
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Word.happy_daiz wrote...
It's getting to the point that I'm worried about actually casting some of these spells, for fear of torching my follower by friendly fire. Being a mage can be a lonely road.
I was testing out those scrolls from J'Skarr and ended up torching Lydia.
She deserved it though. I mean, a vortex of fire surrounding your mage buddy is clearly an indication not to get too close.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:16
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^ I have memories of doing the same thing to Lydia in my first playthrough. 
Let's just say she wasn't happy. Since then, I just don't even use them. In fact, I have all 10 of J'Zargo's flame scrolls in my inventory...because I might use them sometime soon, right? And I have all three cloak spells, and haven't used any of those, either.
I might try telling Kharjo to wait somewhere far away, while in a Nordic ruin, or something, then try the cloaks.
Let's just say she wasn't happy. Since then, I just don't even use them. In fact, I have all 10 of J'Zargo's flame scrolls in my inventory...because I might use them sometime soon, right? And I have all three cloak spells, and haven't used any of those, either.I might try telling Kharjo to wait somewhere far away, while in a Nordic ruin, or something, then try the cloaks.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:18
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ReconTeam wrote...
So does the latest beta patch do anything in the way of fixing voice related bugs? For some reason I'm not hearing certain named dragons talk. Like the one you first face outside of Whiterun.
From the posts I've read on the Beth forums, it seems it is fixed. I'm about to run a clean install and test the patch myself.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 02:46
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Oh, yeah. It was J'Zargo! I knew I was getting mixed up. I'm sure I've heard the name J'Skarr somewhere though. I can recall a female Imperial/Breton type of voice just saying it, It must have been in Oblivion. A long time.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:47
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I remember J'Skar! He was a Khajiit mage in Oblivion (the one who was hiding/invisible, that you had to find).
It's terribly easy to get Khajiit names confused. There is also a Dwemer ruin in Skyrim that has two Khajiit brothers, named J'darr and J'zhar (Alftand).
If you have any interest in the meanings behind Khajiit names, this is kind of cool. I like to try to conform to racial naming standards for each character I create. I didn't in the beginning so much, but now I just think it's soo cool.
It's terribly easy to get Khajiit names confused. There is also a Dwemer ruin in Skyrim that has two Khajiit brothers, named J'darr and J'zhar (Alftand).
If you have any interest in the meanings behind Khajiit names, this is kind of cool. I like to try to conform to racial naming standards for each character I create. I didn't in the beginning so much, but now I just think it's soo cool.
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#24033
Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:50
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Giggles_Manically wrote...
What age do most people make their PCs?
My main is about 45 years old since I RP he fought in the Great War, while my youngest is my Breton at 18.
I picture my Dunmer protagonists having lived at least a century - an effective assassin who has honed his trade, and dabbled in other areas, and a Tribunal mage who has mastered the schools of magic through fierce determination. The advantage of being Dunmer.
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In truth, I just seem to have a thing for Breton girls in general, and also "crazy" girls - I count Muiri, Ingun-Black-Briar, Serana, and Astrid among my favorite ladies of Skyrim along with Eola, and all of them are nuttier than a squirrel.
How is Serana 'crazy' like them? I'm curious. What little I heard made her seem to be a victim.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 03:54
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^ Serana isn't crazy. Her behavior is crazy. As a follower, she does a lot of new things that traditional followers don't do. Like she'll sit in chairs, clap while bards are performing, pray at shrines, etc. It's funny (or annoying, based on your perspective) to see her doing it at inopportune times. She'll also pick up random arrows, ore, etc.
For instance, in my playthrough, she kept sitting in Ulfric's chair during Season Unending. Kinda funny, I thought.
For instance, in my playthrough, she kept sitting in Ulfric's chair during Season Unending. Kinda funny, I thought.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:04
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happy_Diaz wrote...
^ Serana isn't crazy. Her behavior is crazy.
Sounds amusing. I heard there was a petition to get to have Seranna accept a marriage proposal; does that mean she a really good companion?
I don't think I mentioned this, but I remembered what you said about Cicero a few months back, and I spared him during my new assassin run. I think it was a good move. He has some pretty neat dialogue.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:15
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Oh yeah, she's great if you like a mage follower. She has a lot of dialogue - even more than Mjoll, but hers is a bit more varied. She'll comment in each of the cities, in Dwemer ruins, Nordic ruins, caves, etc. If you plan to play a vampire lord, though, from what I hear, having her along gimps your health absorb spell.
One other thing I forgot to mention about Serana - she wanders a lot. I like to think it's because she has a mind of her own. If you tell her to wait somewhere, expect her to be somewhere else entirely. She won't leave the area or anything, but she will go stand where she wants.
She'll even start to pace/wander while you're in caves or wherever, if she feels you're taking too long.
Oh, hooray! I'm so glad to hear that! I think Cicero is awesome. After reading his journals, going through the main quest, and using him as a follower, you have a much better understanding of what he's been through. I know the game railroads you into thinking you have to kill him, but it's nice to buck the system, and make your own choice every now and then.
One other thing I forgot to mention about Serana - she wanders a lot. I like to think it's because she has a mind of her own. If you tell her to wait somewhere, expect her to be somewhere else entirely. She won't leave the area or anything, but she will go stand where she wants.
She'll even start to pace/wander while you're in caves or wherever, if she feels you're taking too long.
Oh, hooray! I'm so glad to hear that! I think Cicero is awesome. After reading his journals, going through the main quest, and using him as a follower, you have a much better understanding of what he's been through. I know the game railroads you into thinking you have to kill him, but it's nice to buck the system, and make your own choice every now and then.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:21
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I don't consider her crazy on the level of Eola or Ingun, but she's still very... err... unique. What with the being a centuries-old vampire who kills and feeds on people and all. She just happens to also be very nice person... for a ruthless predator.
Sorta like my Dragonborn tbh - both of them are children of the night (in their owns ways) with highly flexible morals and a penchant for hunting people down and chowing down on them like Salisbury steak. They get along swimmingly.
Sorta like my Dragonborn tbh - both of them are children of the night (in their owns ways) with highly flexible morals and a penchant for hunting people down and chowing down on them like Salisbury steak. They get along swimmingly.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:23
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Yeah, that's him! The poor dude that was the only survivor of the Bruma incident and then he just disappears. I like to assume that he managed to perfect that invisbility potion more than he had intended, lol.happy_daiz wrote...
I remember J'Skar! He was a Khajiit mage in Oblivion (the one who was hiding/invisible, that you had to find).
It's terribly easy to get Khajiit names confused. There is also a Dwemer ruin in Skyrim that has two Khajiit brothers, named J'darr and J'zhar (Alftand).
If you have any interest in the meanings behind Khajiit names, this is kind of cool. I like to try to conform to racial naming standards for each character I create. I didn't in the beginning so much, but now I just think it's soo cool.
And thanks for the link. That is pretty interesting. I know that I'll be taking that into mind when making a new Khajit. Sometimes you really just don't realise just how detailed the world of the ES is.
And that link really reminds me how cool it would be to see some of the other Khajit species in action.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:37
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Actually, this may be a better link for Khajiit names, as it gives lots of examples. There are links at the top of that page for the other races as well.
Sometimes I also use Tamriel Rebuilt's name generator, for a push in the right direction, but it's not really as random as I would like.
@green - aww, they're like two peas in a pod! That's so sweet!
Sometimes I also use Tamriel Rebuilt's name generator, for a push in the right direction, but it's not really as random as I would like.
@green - aww, they're like two peas in a pod! That's so sweet!
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 04:59
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The problem with Tamriel Rebuilt's generator is that it generates names using preexisting NPC names, so often the names you get will just be the bastard offspring of two NPC names being slapped together. I always found that really annoying, being the obsessive-compulsive perfectionist that I am, so I usually just take a look at a list of all named NPCs of a certain race to get a feel for what they should look and sound like, then just think a new, unique name up.
With Nords, Imperials, and Bretons, it's simpler because their names are all based on Scandinavian, Latin, and French names respectively (in Skyrim Imperials and Bretons now also take on Italian and Celtic names), so often you can just sort through a list of corresponding baby names and pick out the ones you like best.
With Nords, Imperials, and Bretons, it's simpler because their names are all based on Scandinavian, Latin, and French names respectively (in Skyrim Imperials and Bretons now also take on Italian and Celtic names), so often you can just sort through a list of corresponding baby names and pick out the ones you like best.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:02
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I like picking unique type of names. Except when it comes to my Dunmer characters. I prefer having them affiliated to some known house or the like.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:06
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I enjoyed helping Arniel, happy_diaz. He finally found out what happened to the dwarves. I guess he "ascended" the mortal plane.
Being a mage isn't lonely with Dremora Lords keeping you company.
I almost forgot about that guy. I wonder what happened to J'Skar. Maybe he went to the College to avoid the King of Worms in Cyrodiil (one of them from the Warp of the West, anyway).
A nice vampire, greengoron? Sounds like a nice change of pace from the typical vampires we deal with. Do we shape the relationship with her, i.e. becoming friends v. reluctant allies, or is it different than that? Is there a reaction to meeting her (and the others) as a Volkihar vampire?
Being a mage isn't lonely with Dremora Lords keeping you company.
I almost forgot about that guy. I wonder what happened to J'Skar. Maybe he went to the College to avoid the King of Worms in Cyrodiil (one of them from the Warp of the West, anyway).
A nice vampire, greengoron? Sounds like a nice change of pace from the typical vampires we deal with. Do we shape the relationship with her, i.e. becoming friends v. reluctant allies, or is it different than that? Is there a reaction to meeting her (and the others) as a Volkihar vampire?
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:15
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*some minor spoilers*
Strangely enough, all of the vampires are "nice" in Castle Volkihar, especially if you join their clan. Even Harkon is very polite - first time I encountered him, I was very surprised by his good manners. Of course, their politeness only extends so far - the Volkihar Court is like the Orzammar Assembly, complete with the same shark smiles, rivalries, and political backstabbery.
Harkon though is absolutely ruthless, and both his wife and Serana have long been the victims of his cruelty, so you heard right that Serana is a victim.
And yes, you do sorta shape your relationship with Serana - you can be friendly and comforting, or you can be cold and distant (and she will respond accordingly). You can also flirt with her and she seems receptive, but she still won't marry you.
Also, I do not know how Serana or the Volkihar respond if you first encounter them already a vampire - I know Serana doesn't acknowledge you being a werewolf, but Harkon does (and he is less than pleased by it).
Strangely enough, all of the vampires are "nice" in Castle Volkihar, especially if you join their clan. Even Harkon is very polite - first time I encountered him, I was very surprised by his good manners. Of course, their politeness only extends so far - the Volkihar Court is like the Orzammar Assembly, complete with the same shark smiles, rivalries, and political backstabbery.
Harkon though is absolutely ruthless, and both his wife and Serana have long been the victims of his cruelty, so you heard right that Serana is a victim.
And yes, you do sorta shape your relationship with Serana - you can be friendly and comforting, or you can be cold and distant (and she will respond accordingly). You can also flirt with her and she seems receptive, but she still won't marry you.
Also, I do not know how Serana or the Volkihar respond if you first encounter them already a vampire - I know Serana doesn't acknowledge you being a werewolf, but Harkon does (and he is less than pleased by it).
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:26
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Yeah, I liked helping Arniel, too. It was nice to see a purpose for Dwarven convectors, finally. There are a couple of cool things in DG that answer some questions like that as well, but I'd rather leave those as a surprise.
I was pleased that there were some new voice actors used for Dawnguard. Some of the new minor npcs do have the same old, same old, but the new main ones are great. One of my favorites is Fura Bloodmouth of Castle Volkihar. I don't know what it is, but I really like her. And she's probably not technically all that important, but she is a quest-giver.
In regard to Serana, I'm always super nice to her, and she seems to appreciate that someone cares.
I was pleased that there were some new voice actors used for Dawnguard. Some of the new minor npcs do have the same old, same old, but the new main ones are great. One of my favorites is Fura Bloodmouth of Castle Volkihar. I don't know what it is, but I really like her. And she's probably not technically all that important, but she is a quest-giver.
In regard to Serana, I'm always super nice to her, and she seems to appreciate that someone cares.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:30
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Heh, I like the rivalry between Orthjolf and Vingalmo - they're always paranoid that the other is conspiring against them and telling you not to trust them. XD
@daiz - I don't know if it happens with female Dragonborns, but with me she gets kinda sappy with mine sometimes. It's quite cute.
@daiz - I don't know if it happens with female Dragonborns, but with me she gets kinda sappy with mine sometimes. It's quite cute.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:34
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^ I need to finish my vampire run, because I still don't know how all that shakes out. I got excited about playing a kitty, so I left my suddenly dirty-faced Nord right where she was, and started all over. I'm still trying to decide if Ahdaira is going to be DG or vampire lord. I'm doing lots of other stuff in the meantime.
So far, she's Arch Mage and is about two seconds from being Guildmaster. I just need to trigger the last special quest in Markarth. I could swear I've done more quests there than I need to, but I'm crossing my fingers this isn't yet another bug Dawnguard caused for my Thieves Guild adventures.
Serana - sappy?
Not so much with female Dragonborn. Oh, man, am I going to have to create a male character? The horror!
So far, she's Arch Mage and is about two seconds from being Guildmaster. I just need to trigger the last special quest in Markarth. I could swear I've done more quests there than I need to, but I'm crossing my fingers this isn't yet another bug Dawnguard caused for my Thieves Guild adventures.
Serana - sappy?
Not so much with female Dragonborn. Oh, man, am I going to have to create a male character? The horror!
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:43
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@LobselVith8 - If you've already contracted vampirism prior to Dawnguard, Serana and Harkon both recognize it when you first meet them. Not a huge difference, just a line or two. Harkon is not that impressed.
@greengoron89 - If you're referring to what I think you are, then she gets sappy with female Dragonborns too. And, yes, it is quite cute.
@greengoron89 - If you're referring to what I think you are, then she gets sappy with female Dragonborns too. And, yes, it is quite cute.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:51
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Well, it sounds like you got a slightly warmer welcome from Harkon than I did - he seemed to find my lycanthropy to be downright disgusting, saying he could "smell it" on me, calling it "filth", and that his gift would "cleanse" it from my blood.
I took offense to that a bit, actually - I'd love to have responded "My blood is not filth! It is a gift from Lord Hircine!" XD
Still he was overall far more polite than I expected - his character reminded me of Gary Oldman in Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, as does Castle Volkihar in general.
I took offense to that a bit, actually - I'd love to have responded "My blood is not filth! It is a gift from Lord Hircine!" XD
Still he was overall far more polite than I expected - his character reminded me of Gary Oldman in Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula, as does Castle Volkihar in general.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 05:52
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This is why my fire mage used Erandur and Aranea. Dunmer fire resistance + loading them up with magic resist equipment (which is a good idea for any follower)= fireball with abandonhappy_daiz wrote...
It's getting to the point that I'm worried about actually casting some of these spells, for fear of torching my follower by friendly fire. Being a mage can be a lonely road.
Not that I still didn't hear about it from them when they picked up friendly fire.
@LobselVith: I love my dremora summons, too.
Even though they don't like the fireballs.My battlemage, her Dunmer follower and dremora summon- I bet they are a hit at all the Stormcloak parties.
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Posté 25 juillet 2012 - 06:00
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I don't think the game railroads you into that decision, but maybe it's because I never intended to kill him. He's just too damned funny, and I respect the old ways of the Dark Brotherhood from playing Oblivion, so yeah.happy_daiz wrote...
Oh, hooray! I'm so glad to hear that! I think Cicero is awesome. After reading his journals, going through the main quest, and using him as a follower, you have a much better understanding of what he's been through. I know the game railroads you into thinking you have to kill him, but it's nice to buck the system, and make your own choice every now and then.
