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[Sailears]

First I'm assuming you play on insanity.
I'm curious; to what extent does the order in which you complete mission depend on the upgrades you want to get?

I've made a poll for this here:
social.bioware.com/874605/polls/13097/

The four options I've got in the poll are:

1. Mission order is totally determined by upgrade path.
2. Forget upgrades, mission order depends only on making sense in your story.
3. Missions containing important class specific upgrades are prioritised. Others don't matter.
4. For those playing NG+ do you sometimes edit your save (using an ini file or whatever) to give yourself the upgrades you want, enabling freedom in mission choice?

I know 1-3 and 4 aren't exclusive, but I can't do that in the poll, so just state any other possibilities in this thread.

I'm guessing 3 is probably the standard, but honestly after replaying the game a lot I tend to get sick of collecting them on NG+.

New game is fine, because they accumulate as your level and skills grow, but NG+ is a bit of a chore. I'm not speaking of the difficulty of the missions, that's not a problem; rather it is that I want to enjoy playing Korlus in the same way as the suicide mission for example.

There is the other possibility that (due to the addition of DLC characters) you could leave most missions until you've collected most upgrades anyway (excluding the main missions and say Mordin's recruitment) - and by this I mean one or two each game, and by all the combinations you could end up doing most mission late in the game. By this logic, it would be acceptable to give yourself the upgrades you could get if you played a particular mission later on, and still play it early.
I know there are holes in that such as squad members having access to loyalty powers they otherwise wouldn't have, and doing it this way would make zero sense story wise other than playing the mission for the sake of it.
I hope that made sense (I'm still trying to wrap my head around it ).

Modifié par Curunen, 17 décembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[sinosleep]

I always do my missions by upgrade priority.

[Bozorgmehr]

Mission order:

-1- Mordin RM (can;t upgrade **** without him)

-2- Kasumi LM (Locust and Tech upgrade); Adept, Infiltrator, Sentinel, Engineer / Vanguards and Soldiers pay a visit to the Purgatory first (SG and Damage Reduction upgrades)

-3- Garrus RM (Tech Upgrade); Infiltrator, Sentinel, Engineer

I usually try to get bonus weapon/training asap, so I'll do Firewalker and that Geth mission (Damage Reduction upgrade) to trigger the DCS mission. Sometimes one RM mission (Samara or Thane) if I want to use Scimitar or Viper.

[edit] This is for NG, things are different on NG+.

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 17 décembre 2010 - 10:21 .

[lazuli]

sinosleep wrote...

I always do my missions by upgrade priority.

Same, though I also consider which characters I want to recruit and when I want to recruit them.  I make it a point to get Thane before the Disabled Collector Vessel, for instance, in case I decide I want multiple squadmate Warps.  Still, though, upgrades are my highest priority.  Obviously the mission order will then change depending on Shepard's class.

[kstarler]

I should start by saying I’ve never played NG+ in ME2. I don’t like the lack of leveling. Also, I like to get the ME1 import bonuses to paragon/renegade. That said…

I’m not sure I see an option for me in the poll. The only time I really prioritize for upgrades are the five missions between Horizon and the CS. Otherwise, I tend to do every side mission available before progressing the story. For instance, I’ll hold off on Jack’s recruitment mission until I’ve done every other recruitment and side mission available before Horizon. Then, after Horizon, I’ll do any upgrade missions that I couldn’t do before Horizon, and loyalty missions as they become available.

The only time I really deviate from this course of action is if I need the CS weapon to balance out my character, in which case I just do recruitments from the start, then do the Firewalker missions between Horizon and CS. After that, I go left to right on the star map, clearing each system, regardless of upgrades. It’s not the most effective way to maximize Shepard or the party, but it’s the easiest way for me to track my progress. And, since I am an admitted completionist, I can’t go onto the Reaper IFF without knowing that every mission aside from Tali’s and Legion’s loyalty missions are done (I like to take Legion along for Tali’s mission).

Effectively, sometimes I prioritize, and sometimes I don’t. I should also note that, if it seems like I’m doing low damage, or taking more damage than I should be, then I will start hunting upgrades.

[ScroguBlitzen]

For Infiltrator:
1. Sniper Rifle upgrade from Omega and Damage Reduction.
2. Sniper Rifle upgrade from Citadel and Tech Upgrade.
3. Mordin RM.
4. Armor Penetration upgrade for Sniper Rifle
5. Grunt RM.
6. Headshot Bonus upgrade for Sniper Rifle
7+ don't matter much...

Modifié par ScroguBlitzen, 17 décembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[Sailears]

Thanks for the detailed replies guys.

kstarler - Yeah, I realise the poll does not show clearly all the possibilities. If you want me to add another option let me know (I don't know how to write what you do in a short sentence! ).

If the poll isn't clear, I can scrap it altogether.

[Njorls]

 If I'm leveling up I'll get a cheap level doing the easy firewalker missions (getting the biotic upgrade and the happy fun ball), the Normandy crash site, and all the mini missions on the Citdadel and Omega.

Mordin's always first (I'd love to save that for last and see how well he works under pressure but I can't play that long without upgrades)

Grunt is usually right before Horizon, unless I'm playing a class that uses sniper rifles (my least played classes)
Usually I'll get Garrus before Kasumi's mission, as I feel the 2nd SMG upgrade and shield piercing makes Kasumi's mission easier, I consider her mission harder than recruit Garrus

I'll recruit Jack second if playing as vanguard though.

Before triggering Horizon I'll finish the N7 missions (rogue mechs trilogy, lost operative, MSV Estevencio), and usually all the other Firewalker missions.

Between Horizon and Collector Ship I try to do as little as possible not to be overwhelmed on the Collector Ship. I'd rather do loyalty missions here and save the dossiers for when I have a bonus weapon. I'll get Thane if I want him on the collector ship, or the Viper. Same with the Scimitar. The N7 Anomalous Weather is always first after Horizon for the 3rd damage upgrade and hard shields. Miranda's loyalty is usually done here as she's more useful with Slam, and the SMG and especially medigel upgrades are always handy. Same with Grunt as the discount at Fortacks is nice (even though I cheat and add credits now).

Shadow Broker is always after the suicide mission (it's my favorite and I want to be fully leveled/upgraded), Overlord usually after that.

Jacob's always last before reaper IFF as he's useless with Barrier (until he gets fixed after LotSB) 

On NG+ I skip most side missions or save them until fully upgraded unless they give upgrades.

Modifié par Njorls, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[mcsupersport]

LOL, well most of the time I don't worry about upgrades, and get what I get as I play through the missions. What I generally want is levels before Horizon for extra skills, and levels before DCS for extra skills, because usually I play pretty heavy skill dependent classes ie adepts, and Vanguards. So my route is to hit all the stores(I console in money and resources now, since I played 5-6 "pure" runs and can't bring myself to mine anymore) do Morden so I can do upgrades, then get the Hammerhead and do all the ones to get the Biotic bonus but skip the others because they are pretty useless(and once was enough thank you), then get Grunt, Jack do Zaeed's loyalty, Kasumi loyalty(small side missions as I feel like it but I have done so many runs it is hard to do some of the make work ones) and then Garrus RM which triggers Horizon. After Horizon I look around and do either Samara or Thane but not both then get Tali, Morden LM, Grunt LM(and hit stores) then hop back to Miranda LM(one note here, if you do Jack's Loyalty before this it will take you onto the ship for fight negating the extra mission) and then Thane RM which gives you six missions instead of 5 for DCS. After DCS I just finish up what isn't already done and clean house, with Geth and LotSB being done after Omega relay.

[kstarler]

After thinking about it, what about adding the following option to sum up my post?

"Weapon and power upgrades are good, but the best upgrades are levels."

And/or:

"I only start gathering upgrades if I'm sucking too much."

Or maybe even:

"Sometimes I go for specific upgrades, but usually I just do next closest mission."

The last one might be the best for me.

Just spit balling here.

EDIT: Edited for forum formatting.

Modifié par kstarler, 18 décembre 2010 - 03:25 .

[Ahglock]

I kind of play it by ear mostly. I hold off on loyalty missions if it requires or pops a high requirement talking point to keep loyalty. I usually do downloadable content missions early, I'm not sure why.

[Kronner]

Depends on whether I am playing NG+ or not. Mordin's RM is always the first mission though.
Regular NG - I don't care at all.
NG+ - I do pick missions with the right upgrades first.

IMHO NG+ is far superior gameplay experience (up to DCS) and I enjoy and play it much more, so I usually do play the mission in the "right" order.

Modifié par Kronner, 18 décembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[RiouHotaru]

Even on Insanity, I usually do what feels right story-wise. Of course, I only played Insanity once for the achievement, because for me I just couldn't enjoy it, so yeah.

[Lee337]

I've never paid much attention to the upgrades, I just go with whatever I feel like at the time!

[Tony Gunslinger]

I play a new game and NG+ very differently. In new games, I'm basically very story-focused. I tend to stick to one planet as much as possible (Omega > Illium > Citadel > Tuchanka), and whenever there's a LM, I try to do them asap. In most of my NG+ games, I tend to do everything asap to get the most credits and upgrades, so Kasumi, Zaeed, Overlord, Firewalker, and any available N7 assignments were done prior to Horizon. LofSB is usually done before CSV. The downside to this is that after CSV I'm just left with LMs and then a straight path to the end. Recently for NG+, I've been more relaxed about upgrades and spreading out the DLC missions to make the story aspect more interesting and balanced, so I'm kind of in-between prioritizing upgrades and trying to get a better dramatic arch, whenever I can. It always bugged me that I go to the Citadel so early. In terms of story quallity, I think it should be done after Horizon. I'l be sacrificing some upgrades, but I think at this point I can get a handle on it.

[LuPho]

Ahglock wrote...

I kind of play it by ear mostly. I hold off on loyalty missions if it requires or pops a high requirement talking point to keep loyalty. I usually do downloadable content missions early, I'm not sure why.

I try to do the loyalty missions right when they come available. And i know why i do the DLC missions early, especially for Kasumi and Zaeed. The upgrades, especially the ones you get from Kasumi's LM, are too good to pass up. And in my most recent play, with a new Vanguard(haven't played one after i got LotSB) getting the biotic upgrade from Firewalker was fairly high priority as well. And secondly, i usually do the Firewalker fairly early anyway, mostly since i want to pay my respects for Manuel. At least he's no longer tormented by the things he witnessed on Eden Prime.

Modifié par LuPho, 18 décembre 2010 - 05:10 .

[IntrepidProdigy]

I always play NG+ insanity now, mainly because I play the game so much and just like to conquer it at its hardest, and I like not worrying about buying anything besides upgrades. The main focus for me is usually to go straight for the upgrades that I need. However, I also always take into consideration the roleplaying aspect and sometimes sacrifice the upgrade I might need at the time to recruit a squadmate based on how I'm playing my Shepard.

I have a NG+ save for all my Shepards in the area of the Lazarus station where you do the paragon/renegade glitch and have just under a quarter of paragon/renegade for each respectively.

Modifié par IntrepidProdigy, 18 décembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[Kronner]

Why don't you just add XXX points using the gibbed editor?

[IntrepidProdigy]

Kronner wrote...

Why don't you just add XXX points using the gibbed editor?

I have the 360 version unfortunately, so I'm pretty limited vs. you guys on the PC unless I can use a USB drive or something.

[ezrafetch]

I usually just wing it, but I usually prioritize getting squaddies first rather than upgrade hunting. That being said, if an upgrade is in a squaddie recruitment mission, I'll go ahead and put that one first on the dock. Pre-Horizon I always do Mordin RM, Garrus RM, Jack RM, Grunt RM, with usually either Zaeed's or Kasumi's LM right before the Grunt RM (because it triggers Horizon). After that it's usually Samara RM, Thane RM, Tali RM, with LMs of those who get them coming right before Tali's, because her RM usually triggers the Collector Ship for me. After that I just spend all my time getting the rest done and just chilling until I knock off Reaper IFF, Legion's LM, and then straight into the Suicide Run. Then LotSB after that.



I don't have a "commitment" to the story i.e. recruiting people in a certain order, but it just kinda falls that way when I look out at it. I'll usually stay on a planet out of sheer laziness and habit rather than jump around a bunch cherry-picking places for upgrades or the like to maximize efficiency.

[Ahglock]

Kronner wrote...

Why don't you just add XXX points using the gibbed editor?

Wait the gibbed editor can handle paragon/renegade points?  Damn I need to look more closely at that thing, I just used it to avoid planet scannning. 

[Kronner]

IntrepidProdigy wrote...

Kronner wrote...

Why don't you just add XXX points using the gibbed editor?

I have the 360 version unfortunately, so I'm pretty limited vs. you guys on the PC unless I can use a USB drive or something.

Too bad, but you should be able to use it anyway (there's a thread for it somewhere)

Ahglock wrote...

Wait
the gibbed editor can handle paragon/renegade points?  Damn I need to
look more closely at that thing, I just used it to avoid planet
scannning. 

Yes, you can add as many points as you wish.

[Bozorgmehr]

LuPho wrote...

[...] And in my most recent play, with a new Vanguard(haven't played one after i got LotSB) getting the biotic upgrade from Firewalker was fairly high priority as well.

The single Biotic Upgrade available before Horizon won't make any noticeable difference. Regarding Biotic and Tech Upgrades only two things matter:

(1) Bonus Upgrades; 20% added duration is great and 20% cd reduction speaks for itself - your powers last longer and you can use em more often.
(2) Power damage, the only thing I want is instant defense stripping. If Shep or squadmates use Overload, Warp, Incinerate etc. you want enemy shields/barrier/armor removed completely so your CC powers can do their job - very frustrating watching your Pull do nothing because enemy had 2 points in shield left <_<

Shield; Health; and Medigel Upgrades don't matter, only their bonus upgrades make a difference. Bonus upgrades for weapons are the ones you want also; only exception are OSOK weapons if extra 10% damage means the difference to do this or not that is.

I never noticed 10% extra (power) damage in-game. I did notice +20% duration/cd reduction; +50% damage against shields/barriers; +50 headshot damage; +25% melee damage etc.

m14567 wrote...

I try to follow a reasonable story based path at this point.

What story? ME2 is a recruitment story, Shep needs to get a team to fight the Collectors, thats it. I don't see why recruitment order influences 'story'.
IMHO the only real decision is whether you go straight for the Omega Relay to save Normandy's crew or not.

[IntrepidProdigy]

Kronner wrote...

Too bad, but you should be able to use it anyway (there's a thread for it somewhere)

It's not too bad, I have it saved right after I went through the process of adding the paragon/renegade points for each Shepard that I need, so it's not like I have to go through the process every time i start up a new NG+. Still, I might check that out.