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[EvilIguana966]

Archery stinks from a player perspective as it precludes sneak attacks and just generally does less damage than the other fighting styles. The reason it works so well for NPCs is that they typically outnumber you. This means that at any given time several of the archers are probably using special abilities that have various annoying affects and extremely high hit chances. I for one welcome this because it makes battles more interesting. Enemy archers are a real threat rather than just a novelty like in many other RPG games. I just wish that Bioware would fix archery so that it is a legitimate choice for player-controlled characters.

[hero 2]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

The problem is we get one Leliana and the enemy has like 10 archers at some points. 10 archers sniping you with all their abilities going off hurts any tank!

Even when you're using Heroic Aura and Shield Cover, this is the case.

[StupidWiz]

Let your tank takes punishments from archers, use shield defense and threaten, buff him with heroic defense, and glyph of warding, if necessary use Incense of Awareness to further increase your tank's defense, and take Rally skill from Champion specialization and shield mastery and expertise. I made Alistair like that and he doesn't fall easily.. of course neat equipment such as Lifegiver ring and enchanting Hale runes to his weapon doesn't hurt =)



IMO, archer's most annoying feat is Scattershot, can you imagine if there's 10 archers do scattershot with timing? you'll be wiped out in a matter of secs, that's what happened to me when I met ser Cauthrien in the estate (well, it doesn't take 10 though, 2 or 3 scattershots were enough to ruin my day =( )

[borelocin]

Grease Fire a group of archers and they are no trouble at all

[DaeFaron]

Huh, in the alleys my warrior did just fine against the archers, had to use a health potion or 2, but overall not really any trouble.

[menasure]

when it comes to ranged characters the idea is either to get cover ... which you might reach to late with all the stun stuff slow and whatever stuff in game or to attack them before they attack you so they end up vulnerable in melee combat.

the second option is often more favorable because those archers tend to pick the strategic locations which are very suitable to defend by your own party lol.

[Darpaek]

You are full of **** if you're claiming to beat Ser Cautherine on Nightmare.

[Axterix]

Darpaek wrote...

You are full of **** if you're claiming to beat Ser Cautherine on Nightmare.

You can run out of the room.  Most of the archers will stay in the room.  So as long as you get the right characters out, not so hard to beat her down.

Anyway, early on, archers are a bit of a pain because you aren't wearing the best armor.  Once you get guys in massive armor, archers aren't too big of a deal as long as they are focused on those guys.  Their hits do add up, but on a per enemy basis, they hurt less than other types.

At least in my experience.

[Taleroth]

I love Archery. With nobody in my group having archery talents, I can still murder enemies in small pulls from distance. Kill one or two from max range before they close. Which is nice. And they pull small groups like that, so you don't get them all.



The enemies, though, it's insane. I'm using Sten as a tank. No shield, no shield defense, nothing to deal with arrows. The Elf v Darkspawn random encounter was impossible to beat on bloody Normal. Arrows, arrows, everywhere, WE ALL GON DIE

[deathwing200]

The only time when archers are an issue is when you charge into them and eat consecutive scattershots and they all instagib your mage before you can pot. Pull melee out of the room, drop AoE on archers. Easy.

[Taleroth]

deathwing200 wrote...

The only time when archers are an issue is when you charge into them and eat consecutive scattershots and they all instagib your mage before you can pot. Pull melee out of the room, drop AoE on archers. Easy.

Or when it's a random encounter and it's all one room!  And it's at a level before your Mage even has the magic stat capable of talenting an AoE.

[Darpaek]

You can console your dudes to level 25, add 6 more dudes to your party, 99 all your stats, and give all your dudes meteor swords with 3 GM ele runes and kite her all day long, you will not scratch her on Nightmare.



YouTube or it didn't happen.

[Kalamity_Jones]

Darpaek wrote...

You can console your dudes to level 25, add 6 more dudes to your party, 99 all your stats, and give all your dudes meteor swords with 3 GM ele runes and kite her all day long, you will not scratch her on Nightmare.

YouTube or it didn't happen.

So many people did it on this forum.. You saying it's impossible doesn't make it impossible. Abuse the AI (Which makes it insanely easier since Arches don't follow you.) or AW/BM with it's crazy CC and AoE stun/DMG spells. Very possible. Now if someone says they solo'd the fight, I'd be compelled to say YouTube it.. but with everything in this game pretty much OP'd with the right set-up, I'd probably believe it if they showed me Tactics and a Description of the fight.

[menasure]

Darpaek wrote...

You can console your dudes to level 25, add 6 more dudes to your party, 99 all your stats, and give all your dudes meteor swords with 3 GM ele runes and kite her all day long, you will not scratch her on Nightmare.

YouTube or it didn't happen.

i tried it for 6 hours with a party without a tank in an unpatched pc game on normal ... no i could not beat her but i did manage to get her half way. still i have no reason to believe that she is unbeatable. the thing is: you can beat any stuff in game but it might require you the wright combination of party, skills, tactics (or exploits sometimes?), items etc... for a particular fight. at that time you are basically just not playing the same kind of game as others.

i am convinced that some of these "hardcore" guys are lying through their teeth many times in these forums or that they suffer from selective amnesia however some of them probably are just really good and some ...
just do not make it themselves as difficult as some who are playing on easy

Modifié par menasure, 28 novembre 2009 - 06:15 .

[Darpaek]

For sure. It's certainly possible to beat her, just not on Nightmare. And not when his "leet tactics" are CoC and kiting.



I'd be more willing to believe the solo AW tank story.

[JHorwath]

Yes, enemy archers that spam AOE stun are a pita.  They stun you before you can even cast an AOE spell.  Best thing to do is weather the storm and heal up after the AOE stun spam.  Save your casts for inbetween the stun spam.

Modifié par JHorwath, 28 novembre 2009 - 06:43 .

[Blakes 7]

Have to agree with OP, I ran into this fight with elven defenders behind barricades against shreiks and an awful lot of archers and there was like no cover I could find(the barricade didn't protect me from archery fire apparently) and I had to use something like 20 healing potions just to stay alive during the fight - was the hardest fight the entire game. That was until I decided to charge as many archers as I could as I had no aoe spells.

[ejikvkaske]

I don't think archers are overpowered. If it's wasn't for Scattershot, enemy archers would be rather pointless. This way you actually have to engage them in some manner, instead of just taking fire while you kill all the other enemies.

[Darpaek]

If you think archers are rough in vanilla, try the dex hotfix. I use it and I turn into a pincushion all the time. I love it! Totally revamps the combat in the game (realistically, I believe)

[astrallite]

outlaworacle wrote...

Actually, it's because you are in Denerim. I just recently made a post about how the Denerim bandits are overpowered ****s but it got deleted. I mean, maybe you still suck, but those encounters are unbalanced no matter how good you are.

Cue 15 people saying they did it on Nightmare without pausing, yadda yadda yadda...

Don't you mean nightmare, without pausing, without poultices, not abusing bugs, with no mages.

[FalloutBoy]

The back alley thugs in Denerim are some of the most difficult encounters in the game. Come back when you are higher level. There is a limit to how high the level scaling goes.