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[Luckywallace]

This could possibly go in one of the hundreds of threads out there about speculation based on the ME3 squad but I thought it could get lost in the mix. Spoliers for LotSB obviously included.



I was really impressed by how Liara was implemented in LotSB as a 'temp' squadmate. Okay so it was not the very first time such things happened, we get Jenkins for 30 seconds in ME1 and then Wilkins/Wilson/whatever his name was at the start of ME2.

However given the now huge number of characters now out there who were (a) very popular and also ( might well have died in the course of the games, I can fully understand why Bioware may not want to implement them as full squadmates throughout the entire ME3 campaign. It would involve a huge ammount of voice work and probably even entire missions that would 'go to waste' on certain playthroughs and be missed.

However, if a character were to put in a ME2-style 'cameo' appearence, like the Virmire Survivor/Wrex/Liara (before LotSB), but then also be recruitable for a single mission, that would involve a lot less work on Bioware's part but I believe still satisfy the fans of those characters. I would suspect that most Liara fans out there are now quite satisfied with her role in ME2 - no, you cannot take her on the suicide mission nor on every other outing but she plays a big and significant role in the game and gets some major development and resolution. You even get an extra romance scene with her. If the same could be done for a lot of the ME2 squad in no.3, would you be satisfied.

I still think some of the team need to come back 'fully' - Miranda, Jacob, Garrus and Tali are all pretty likely to return and also the Virmire Survivor from ME1.

For a lot of the other characters though, I think it would be perfectly acceptable to give them a one-off mission they can be involved in and then have them step-back from the main events of the game. Thane springs to mind as a good example - have one final thing he has to do before he dies and in which Shephard can help him out. There could even be a final romance scene with him in the course of this if you were playing as FemShep.

A lot of other characters I feel could also work well in this way - I didn't like her but given her status as a LI then Jack would probably deserve this. Perhaps Mordin as well given how everybody loves him (but given that he is not a LI and can quite easily die in the suicide mission, making him a full squadie for the entire game of ME3 seems unlikely to me).

Meanwhile, I could also see the Virmie Survivor not joining Shep's squad until about 1/2 way through the game, given that that character will require twice as much dialogue in effect compared to anybody else. Hopefully they won't be copies of each other in a different voice (which was sort of the case in ME2)...

Anyone else think this is (a) likely ( a good idea or © have ideas for certain characters 'one off' missions?

[GodWood]

Why do people keep thinking Jacob will come back as a full squadmate?

He's the most unliked character amongst the fans, having him as a full time companion would be a massive troll.

[Luckywallace]

I don't hate him as much as others but I am not his no.1 fan either.



However, it just makes a certain ammount of sense, given that he is a LI and seems to be very strongly tied to Shepard. I imagine he is more likely to return as a full squaddie than Thane (who does not have long to live) or Jack (who seems to be rather independant).



Don't get me wrong, I would much rather see Mordin or Thane come back than Jacob but I don't think it is very likely...

[Shadesofsiknas]

I like this idea. I can see it working if they use it to kill off squaddies providing some needed drama and loss in the game.



Imagine you recruit or already have recruited at the start of the game certain companions which have scripted deaths ala the suicide mission or Virmire in ME1. These missions would be main story quests that will have your whole squad involved ala SM.

So we have to choose which one will die or make a decision which will kill one off. This makes room for the new Squadmates to be taken on board at a specified point in the game but still leaving some randomness as to when certain old ones die off and providing drama and sense of loss at losing some of our old favorites.

[Lunatic LK47]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...
So we have to choose which one will die or make a decision which will kill one off. This makes room for the new Squadmates to be taken on board at a specified point in the game but still leaving some randomness as to when certain old ones die off and providing drama and sense of loss at losing some of our old favorites.

No randomness, period.

[Busomjack]

GodWood wrote...

Why do people keep thinking Jacob will come back as a full squadmate?
He's the most unliked character amongst the fans, having him as a full time companion would be a massive troll.

I'd like some evidence other than your conjecture that Jacob is the most disliked character in the game. 

[Ieldra]

The problem with killing team members: Bioware will still have to create all the content for them, in case you let them live. That would result in a lot of content never seen by any one player. Bioware is unlikely to do such a thing for many characters.



Anyway, "squadmate status or not" isn't really the problem about how the old team members will be treated in ME3. Screen presence is. I could live with Miranda not being on my team if she had enough screen presence and interaction with Shepard. But having her as a team member who never says anything and rarely interacts, that would be extremely disappointing.

[Ieldra]

Busomjack wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Why do people keep thinking Jacob will come back as a full squadmate?
He's the most unliked character amongst the fans, having him as a full time companion would be a massive troll.

I'd like some evidence other than your conjecture that Jacob is the most disliked character in the game. 

According to XX55XX's character poll made in 03/2010, Jacob reached an average score of 5.3 on a scale between 1 and 10, averaged over 850 entries. This put him on rank 14 of 16, with the only ones scoring lower being Kaidan and Morinth. So the statement is close enough to the truth that the difference doesn't really matter.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

GodWood wrote...

Why do people keep thinking Jacob will come back as a full squadmate?
He's the most unliked character amongst the fans, having him as a full time companion would be a massive troll.

'Cos he comes in a package with Miranda, maybe? I.e. human LI from ME2, (former) Cerberus personnel, one of the squadmembers we have from the very beginning. In fact, Miranda + Jacob seem to be more or less similar to Ash + Kaidan (minus Virmire, of course). This increases the chances both would be treated equally. And Miranda so far seems to be a person to return as a squaddie. I think.

I guess Bioware would try to make Jacob more interesting in ME3, I hope this won't be overdone.

Also, I've said it once and would repeat it once again: I believe all six ME2 LIs would be, in fact, treated equally in ME3.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The problem with killing team members: Bioware will still have to create all the content for them, in case you let them live. That would result in a lot of content never seen by any one player. Bioware is unlikely to do such a thing for many characters.
 

I don't see the difference between creating content for a character who can be recruited or not (Thane, Samara, Tali ...), and creating content for a character who is dead or not. It's the same thing, and they could do that for many characters. Then players will have to deal with the consequences of killing squadmates in ME2.

I want Miranda back as a squadmate because it's the only way to have many interactions with her. Bioware will never give so many conversations to a cameo.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Yannkee wrote...

I don't see the difference between creating content for a character who can be recruited or not (Thane, Samara, Tali ...), and creating content for a character who is dead or not. It's the same thing, and they could do that for many characters. Then players will have to deal with the consequences of killing squadmates in ME2.

I want Miranda back as a squadmate because it's the only way to have many interactions with her. Bioware will never give so many conversations to a cameo.

Besides, the statistics revealed lately, though questionable, states that only 14% of squadmates die during the mission on average. So 86% of squadmates are alive on average. Hell, that's not even 50/50 (either recruited or not, either dead or alive). It should basically mean there's a 86% chance that a squaddie is alive in an imported game and the player would get his or her content.

...That or I didn't get what the mysterious phrase '14% die in the end-game, on average' means.

[Elite Midget]

Since none of the ME2 Zombies have any chance of being a fiull Squaddie i can see Bioware offering fan service to ME2 rabid rans by throwing them a bone and giving them the ME2 Zombies as Temp Squaddies for a mission or two. Than Cameo and good bye.



It would be perfect. It appeases the Zombie lovers and those that don't want ME3 to be compromised by the rabid fandom that is held for the Zombies.

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I'm hoping that any deaths at the end of ME2 are ignored, so that Bioware doesn't have to worry about whether they're dead or alive.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Elite Midget wrote...

Since none of the ME2 Zombies have any chance of being a fiull Squaddie i can see Bioware offering fan service to ME2 rabid rans by throwing them a bone and giving them the ME2 Zombies as Temp Squaddies for a mission or two. Than Cameo and good bye.

It would be perfect. It appeases the Zombie lovers and those that don't want ME3 to be compromised by the rabid fandom that is held for the Zombies.

So much disdain for those who had helped you and covered your back in ME2. Tut-tut.

[Elite Midget]

Doesn't matter, Bioware made them killable and thus if they return as Perm Squaddies(Not gonna happen) it means that they're no flesh eatting, brain munching, and heavily decayed corpses with little to no dialouge or story intergration for ME3 since not everyone will have all the Zombies around.



Hell, I can see the default save having everyone dead but Miranda and Jacob and keeping the Collector Base because Bioware likes shafting Renegades and pampering Paragons.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I'm hoping that any deaths at the end of ME2 are ignored, so that Bioware doesn't have to worry about whether they're dead or alive.

Ok then I want Ashley and Kaidan in my game

[AdmiralCheez]

I don't know if temporary squadmates would make things any less labor-intensive. You'd still have to fully program them for combat, hire the voice actors, and devote a lot of time into designing a unique level. It'd be cool, sure, but not cheaper.

[Elite Midget]

Bioware didn't retcon Wrex and he was one character. I doubt Bioware will retcon all these Zombies when they can just give them a cameo and maybe a temp spot than be done with it.

[shumworld]

I think it's a great idea. Especially for characters like Wrex or Wreav if you killed the toughest Krogan in the galaxy.

[Xilizhra]

Ok I have to ask. So are you saying that if characters die in someones play through that they should magically be in ME3 if you import that game ?

Basically, yes.

Ok then I want Ashley and Kaidan in my game

Go for it, but since it was a scripted and specific death to ensure that Bioware would only have to keep track of one Alliance soldier, I wouldn't count on this.

Bioware didn't retcon Wrex and he was one character. I doubt Bioware will retcon all these Zombies when they can just give them a cameo and maybe a temp spot than be done with it.

You might be right, but I do hope you're not.

[Mr.House]

So you want to make the suicide mission even less meaningful?

[Xilizhra]

It was never meaningful in the first place. I don't think it should even have been implemented; that kind of thing is really more something you put at the end of a trilogy. Hence why I mentally disregard the "suicide" part.

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware didn't retcon Wrex and he was one character. I doubt Bioware will retcon all these Zombies when they can just give them a cameo and maybe a temp spot than be done with it.

How is making them squadmates if they're still alive considered a retcon?  I admit that bringing them back to life for everyone is dumb, but I also think that whether they are alive or dead should actually matter.  Wrex was a step in the right direction, since the reunion was epic and the political environment of Tuchanka had dramatically changed, but that Horizon thing was bull.

And, like I said before, making them temporary squadmates isn't any less labor-intensive then making them a full one.  Seriously, a well-done temp would be epic, but you can get a full-time squaddie for the same price, perhaps even cheaper.  For example, Kasumi cost $7, but Liara cost $10.  Why?  Because there's a lot more content in Liara's "temporary" presence, content that took a lot of effort to make.

So really, the only difference between a full-time and part-time squaddie is how many missions you can take them on.  Cameos are the cheapest, but they are dumb and will incite the most horrible fan-rage to ever be seen.  Edmonton will be burned to the ground.  It almost was when the fans saw what they did to Liara (before LotSB), Wrex, and Kaishley Willenko.  Doing it again, twelve times, would be suicide.