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[earthbornFemShep]

Spectre_907 wrote...

If you preserved the Collector's base, you aquire Cerberus as an ally and they will help you against the Reapers. If you destroyed the Collector's base, Cerberus will become your enemy.

Cerberus does a lot of dumb things, but sabotaging Shepard so that the entire galaxy is destroyed by the reapers?  I think not.  Maybe after the reaper threat is gone, Cerberus can damage your reputation or something, but they would have to be really stupid to make enemies with Shepard with Earth in danger (after all, their entire purpose is to strengthen humanity, not to destroy it).  

However, as I said, Cerberus has done a lot of dumb things.  So, I guess it wouldn't be a total surprise.

[TexasToast712]

Assuming you didnt ****** them off..............I dont know. I think even if you dont give TIM the Collector base I still think he will support Shepard. If he didnt support Shepard then why would he help me and Liara find out where the Shadow broker is by giving us intel after the suicide mission?

He has invested too much in Shepard to just break ties with Shepard.

[Spectre_907]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Cerberus does a lot of dumb things, but sabotaging Shepard so that the entire galaxy is destroyed by the reapers?  I think not.  Maybe after the reaper threat is gone, Cerberus can damage your reputation or something, but they would have to be really stupid to make enemies with Shepard with Earth in danger (after all, their entire purpose is to strengthen humanity, not to destroy it).

They don't have to. Once you destory the Reapers, you will become useless to them. They'll retaliate.

[IndigoWolfe]

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 19 décembre 2010 - 08:46 .

[Spectre_907]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

[earthbornFemShep]

Spectre_907 wrote...

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Cerberus does a lot of dumb things, but sabotaging Shepard so that the entire galaxy is destroyed by the reapers?  I think not.  Maybe after the reaper threat is gone, Cerberus can damage your reputation or something, but they would have to be really stupid to make enemies with Shepard with Earth in danger (after all, their entire purpose is to strengthen humanity, not to destroy it).

They don't have to. Once you destory the Reapers, you will become useless to them. They'll retaliate.

And that's why Cerberus agents are idiots.

[supakillaii]

Spectre_907 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

Books and comics are canon.

[Dean_the_Young]

supakillaii wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

Books and comics are canon.

They aren't if it isn't applicable to your game. Retribution was written from a basis that Anderson was NOT chosen as Councilor, that Udina was. If you chose Anderson as Councilor, Retribution as written can not have occured.

To point, Retribution is the only work that relies on a in-game choice to proceed (specifically, the Councilor choice). It's in a semi-canon status, in that it is a valid expansion of the universe, without establishing a canon or a retcon of player choices.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

Books and comics are canon.

They aren't if it isn't applicable to your game. Retribution was written from a basis that Anderson was NOT chosen as Councilor, that Udina was. If you chose Anderson as Councilor, Retribution as written can not have occured.

To point, Retribution is the only work that relies on a in-game choice to proceed (specifically, the Councilor choice). It's in a semi-canon status, in that it is a valid expansion of the universe, without establishing a canon or a retcon of player choices.

Dean, why do you have to spread this misinformation every time?

As to the point in question, Cerberus will recover by the time of ME3. Proof? Read the Epilogue of Retribution.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 décembre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

supakillaii wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

Books and comics are canon.

They aren't if it isn't applicable to your game. Retribution was written from a basis that Anderson was NOT chosen as Councilor, that Udina was. If you chose Anderson as Councilor, Retribution as written can not have occured.

To point, Retribution is the only work that relies on a in-game choice to proceed (specifically, the Councilor choice). It's in a semi-canon status, in that it is a valid expansion of the universe, without establishing a canon or a retcon of player choices.

Dean, why do you have to spread this misinforamtion every time?

Misinformation implies something is untrue. Do you now dispute the authenticity of Drew's reply to the question, as well as his clear assertion that Retribution was neither a retcon or a declaration of canon? Or have you finally found some mention in official material that Councilor Anderson lost his position, stepped down, and quit the Alliance?

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 19 décembre 2010 - 10:13 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Do you now dispute the authenticity of Drew's reply to the question, as well as his clear assertion that Retribution was neither a retcon or a declaration of canon? Or have you finally found some mention in official material that Councilor Anderson lost his position, stepped down, and quit the Alliance?

This is not about the fate of Cerberus so I suggest we don't start over this discussion this here or in any other thread and take it back to that last thread it popped up in, where I am still awaiting your answer.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 décembre 2010 - 10:29 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Do you now dispute the authenticity of Drew's reply to the question, as well as his clear assertion that Retribution was neither a retcon or a declaration of canon? Or have you finally found some mention in official material that Councilor Anderson lost his position, stepped down, and quit the Alliance?

This is not about the fate of Cerberus so I suggest we don't start over this discussion this here or in any other thread and take it back to that last thread it popped up in, where I am still awaiting your answer.

You'll be awaiting an answer for a lot longer because I'm not going to give an interpretation that tangent to Drew's email my time.

[Nu-Nu]

If you have the shadow lair's dlc, in Miranda's dossier at his place, it says Miranda is the "best possible replacement after illusive man assasination and destruction of Cerberus." The way it's written almost makes it sound like a fact, as if it's already happened. I think their role in me3 will be a lot smaller because of that. I don't think they'll driving the seat anymore. I think they'll disappear after gaining whatever help you can get from them before they disband in me3.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

If you have the shadow lair's dlc, in Miranda's dossier at his place, it says Miranda is the "best possible replacement after illusive man assasination and destruction of Cerberus." The way it's written almost makes it sound like a fact, as if it's already happened. I think their role in me3 will be a lot smaller because of that. I don't think they'll driving the seat anymore. I think they'll disappear after gaining whatever help you can get from them before they disband in me3.

The Shadow Broker intended to "recruit Miranda" (for his own organization of something), not to replace TIM by her. And after the planned destruction there wouldn't be a Cerberus left to replace its leader.

But anyway, look at what happened to the Shadow Broker and tell me again how brilliant his plan was!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 décembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[MajesticJazz]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So I'm wondering what will become of Cerberus by time ME3 comes. I think that we have two possibilities.

If you saved the Collector Base than Cerberus florishes. The news that they have this tech makes all their donors thrilled and they donate even more money to the group making it much more powerful and has more influence and because they have the base they will have a large role in ME3

If you destroyed the base than I think the exact opposite should happen to the group. After spending most of their money over the last two years to bring back Shepard and building him a new ship they end up with nothing. This huge failure causes all the donors to pull their support from TIM and Cerbuerus slowly dies and breaks up and by time ME3 starts the group is completely gone.

Do you think that these two situations sound correct? What do you think Cerberus' fate should be in ME3

Heh, I doubt the Collector Base will have any impact on ME3. This sort of reminds me of after ME1 came out and we had theories about how will ME2 be if we killed the counsil or saved them and who we elected (Udina or Anderson). There were many theories but it turned out that whether the counsil died in ME1 or not have little to NO effect in ME2 asside from a few different dialog bits here and there.

God Bless Bioware for trying to create a series in which our choices mattered. However, it would appear that our choices do no matter because Bioware is just going to create one general outcome....not matter what you did. Saved the counsil, he/she is bashed by  the counsil joining Cerberus and the counsil still denies the Reapers. Killed the counsil..../he/she is bashed by joining by the counsil Cerberus and the counsil still denies the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

supakillaii wrote...

Spectre_907 wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

I think Cerberus are going to take a backseat in ME3, regardless of whether you gave them the Collector Base or not. They'll be busy rebuilding after the blow that was struck against them in Retribution.

Assuming Retribution canonically follows into ME3. I find it unlikely regardless.

Books and comics are canon.

As a courtesy, here's a link to a transcript of a reply Drew wrote to someone asking if Retribution was a retcon of Anderson and Udina and the Council decision. Short answer was no. Long answer was nooooooooooooo, they just assumed it for the purpose of expanding the universe, since Councilor Anderson couldn't simply leave like that to traverse the galaxy. Retribution is in a fuzzy state as cannon goes: it's good enough as canon (or at least nothing prevents it) if Udina is Councilor, while the events couldn't occur as depicted had Anderson been Councilor and there remains no indication in any medium that Councilor Anderson steps down/gets fired.


Zulu will tell you that the secret meaning of the message is Drew pissing on character choices, but you can give him the same credence you do his other pet theories: I rate it on the same level as 'the Leviathan of Dis is Sovereign' claim.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Zulu will tell you that the secret meaning of the message is Drew pissing on character choices, but you can give him the same credence you do his other pet theories: I rate it on the same level as 'the Leviathan of Dis is Sovereign' claim.

Drew Karpyshyn is Evil! I think he and Chris Priestly is the same person!!!

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

If you have the shadow lair's dlc, in Miranda's dossier at his place, it says Miranda is the "best possible replacement after illusive man assasination and destruction of Cerberus." The way it's written almost makes it sound like a fact, as if it's already happened. I think their role in me3 will be a lot smaller because of that. I don't think they'll driving the seat anymore. I think they'll disappear after gaining whatever help you can get from them before they disband in me3.

The Shadow Broker intended to "recruit Miranda" (for his own organization of something), not to replace TIM by her. And after the planned destruction there wouldn't be a Cerberus left to replace its leader.

But anyway, look at what happened to the Shadow Broker and tell me again how brilliant his plan was!

I'm not sure it's Shadow's broker plan to assasinate illusive man and recruit miranda?  Miranda is best possible replacment for illusive man, doesn't say anything about shadow broker recruiting her.  It could have easily been info he discovered. To me, I read what he wrote as a information he found out about what's going to happen to cerberus rather then what he planned to do. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

If you have the shadow lair's dlc, in Miranda's dossier at his place, it says Miranda is the "best possible replacement after illusive man assasination and destruction of Cerberus." The way it's written almost makes it sound like a fact, as if it's already happened. I think their role in me3 will be a lot smaller because of that. I don't think they'll driving the seat anymore. I think they'll disappear after gaining whatever help you can get from them before they disband in me3.

The Shadow Broker intended to "recruit Miranda" (for his own organization of something), not to replace TIM by her. And after the planned destruction there wouldn't be a Cerberus left to replace its leader.

But anyway, look at what happened to the Shadow Broker and tell me again how brilliant his plan was!

I'm not sure it's Shadow's broker plan to assasinate illusive man and recruit miranda?  Miranda is best possible replacment for illusive man, doesn't say anything about shadow broker recruiting her.  It could have easily been info he discovered. To me, I read what he wrote as a information he found out about what's going to happen to cerberus rather then what he planned to do. 

http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Shadow Broker says about recruiting her. And nothing about replacement.

[Nu-Nu]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

If you have the shadow lair's dlc, in Miranda's dossier at his place, it says Miranda is the "best possible replacement after illusive man assasination and destruction of Cerberus." The way it's written almost makes it sound like a fact, as if it's already happened. I think their role in me3 will be a lot smaller because of that. I don't think they'll driving the seat anymore. I think they'll disappear after gaining whatever help you can get from them before they disband in me3.

The Shadow Broker intended to "recruit Miranda" (for his own organization of something), not to replace TIM by her. And after the planned destruction there wouldn't be a Cerberus left to replace its leader.

But anyway, look at what happened to the Shadow Broker and tell me again how brilliant his plan was!

I'm not sure it's Shadow's broker plan to assasinate illusive man and recruit miranda?  Miranda is best possible replacment for illusive man, doesn't say anything about shadow broker recruiting her.  It could have easily been info he discovered. To me, I read what he wrote as a information he found out about what's going to happen to cerberus rather then what he planned to do. 

http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Shadow Broker says about recruiting her. And nothing about replacement.

Ah ok, you win with recruitment, I've just double checked the game.  But still the rest of it sounds more like a fact, rather then a plan.

[Yakko77]

The fate of Cerberus in ME3 will hopefully be headless and leaderless when I kill TIM and hopefully it'll disband without his leadership.

[lovgreno]

Yakko77 wrote...

The fate of Cerberus in ME3 will hopefully be headless and leaderless when I kill TIM and hopefully it'll disband without his leadership.

It does seem like the different cells of Cerberus has little to none communications between eachothers. All orders and info comes from TIMmy, so he can personaly controll things better I assume. So the organisation is very vunerable for a strike at it's leadership. On the other hand someone potentialy better could take over, Miranda for example.

[Xilizhra]

I don't see why Cerberus needs to stay intact. Does the Alliance not have its own nationally accountable intelligence service, i.e. something actually comparable to the STG?

[lovgreno]

I would assume that they have as they have long since labeled Cerberus as much trouble and little if any use.

[Dean_the_Young]

Because Cerberus never, ever, can do anything right. Every project is an abject failure, all the time. That's how they got to be so bad.