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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

MajesticJazz wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So I'm wondering what will become of Cerberus by time ME3 comes. I think that we have two possibilities.

If you saved the Collector Base than Cerberus florishes. The news that they have this tech makes all their donors thrilled and they donate even more money to the group making it much more powerful and has more influence and because they have the base they will have a large role in ME3

If you destroyed the base than I think the exact opposite should happen to the group. After spending most of their money over the last two years to bring back Shepard and building him a new ship they end up with nothing. This huge failure causes all the donors to pull their support from TIM and Cerbuerus slowly dies and breaks up and by time ME3 starts the group is completely gone.

Do you think that these two situations sound correct? What do you think Cerberus' fate should be in ME3

Heh, I doubt the Collector Base will have any impact on ME3. This sort of reminds me of after ME1 came out and we had theories about how will ME2 be if we killed the counsil or saved them and who we elected (Udina or Anderson). There were many theories but it turned out that whether the counsil died in ME1 or not have little to NO effect in ME2 asside from a few different dialog bits here and there.

God Bless Bioware for trying to create a series in which our choices mattered. However, it would appear that our choices do no matter because Bioware is just going to create one general outcome....not matter what you did. Saved the counsil, he/she is bashed by  the counsil joining Cerberus and the counsil still denies the Reapers. Killed the counsil..../he/she is bashed by joining by the counsil Cerberus and the counsil still denies the Reapers.

So you already know what happens in ME3 then to know that your statement is true?
No
Let's see...

Alien council, of course they going to bash Shep, it's what they are good at and yeah, joining a group which they deem their nemesis is going to ****** them off a little.

Human lead council, people believe you pretty much put the death nail in the alien council, so the human council is getting flack, now there is rumour of you being with the 'terrorist' group Cerberus. Of course they are going to want to distance themselves from you and of course both councils will deny reapers. Think about it, do you want the people running around in fear over some story that has been told or deny the story to the public? Politicians will always choose the latter unless they have no choice but to confirm it is the truth. Which at this moment they do have a choice... well... up until ME3 anyway.

Should never count your chickens until they've hatched.

We've still got the last chapter to find out what relevance the council choice is.

As for Cerberus, who knows what evil lurks in the heart of TIM... the SHADOWBROKER knows
(sorry couldn't resist)

Cerberus will be fine, even if we have to discard TIM, Shepard will take humanity to the top. Cerberus will live on

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't see why Cerberus needs to stay intact. Does the Alliance not have its own nationally accountable intelligence service, i.e. something actually comparable to the STG?

The Alliance is not a nation. It's a business association, which broke away from the Earth's control in 2157. Cerberus is an affiliated non-profit intelligence/research foundation.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 décembre 2010 - 01:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides the 'business' adjectives.

[lovgreno]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Because Cerberus never, ever, can do anything right. Every project is an abject failure, all the time. That's how they got to be so bad.

Nah, they have made a lot of things right. No need to generalise.

[Inverness Moon]

Vaenier wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Regardless of Shepard's choices, Cerberus is going to save the Galaxy, and you all know it. If Shepard have made pro-Human choices over the course of the trilogy, Cerberus will also secure Human dominance.

How do you know that?

Did you read the script or something?

That is easy, they ressurected Shep. Everything you do will be because of them. When you save the galaxy, it was because of their actions.

Once again quoting Vaenier for truth.

[Zulu_DFA]

One of the reasons why I think that BioWare won't give a chance to kill TIM in ME3 is that he's too awesome a character (even won "Character of the Year" title at IGN) to pass up. ME3 is promised to conclude Commander Shepard's story arc (be that an "ultimate sacrifice" or an honorable retirement into making a lot of blue children), but the ME franchise will probably be continued, and TIM (& Cerberus) is a great asset to the writers at BioWare, for making new stories. They've put a lot of effort to develop it, although there were certain epic fails (such as "Overlord" DLC)... So they won't simply pass it up. Otherwise, who the Paragons are going to hate in ME4?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 décembre 2010 - 04:57 .

[The Unfallen]

They will end up like every renegade organization and individual ends up when they meet my Paragon Shepard's fist of justice.



Dead.

[luakel]

Cerberus should survive ME3 regardless of alignment. Heck, I disagree with both the ends they seek and the means they often use to get there, but there are more important fish to fry at this point. As much as he wants human dominance, TIM's main goal (as his POV in Retribution shows) is to defeat the Reapers. To waste space on a few missions where Cerberus gets taken down just because some Paragons want to put a bullet in TIM on principle would be a massive mistake. If there is such a mission, doing it should result in a higher death toll on Earth because Shepard decided to waste resources taking out someone who, for all his untrustworthiness, has only ever been an ally. And Cerberus should offer Shepard support regardless of the base destruction: TIM wants humanity to survive and Shepard's the one who can do the most to make that happen. Neither Shepard nor TIM have good reasons to fight during the game. Maybe if there's an epilogue, there can be a mention of a paragon Shepard devoting time to hunting down Cerberus, but it needs to wait until after mecha-Cthulhu has been taken care off.

And as Zulu says above, TIM is way too awesome of a character to just kill off in ME3, and he's a good starting point for further games. I'd add that, given the highly secretive and cautious nature of TIM, that Shepard would even be able to find and kill him would be in doubt. Then again, one of the few non-awesome parts of LOTSB was how easy the Shadow Broker was to track down and kill, so I guess Bioware might do it again for TIM. But hopefully not.

[Yakko77]

luakel wrote...

Cerberus should survive ME3 regardless of alignment. Heck, I disagree with both the ends they seek and the means they often use to get there, but there are more important fish to fry at this point. As much as he wants human dominance, TIM's main goal (as his POV in Retribution shows) is to defeat the Reapers. To waste space on a few missions where Cerberus gets taken down just because some Paragons want to put a bullet in TIM on principle would be a massive mistake. If there is such a mission, doing it should result in a higher death toll on Earth because Shepard decided to waste resources taking out someone who, for all his untrustworthiness, has only ever been an ally. And Cerberus should offer Shepard support regardless of the base destruction: TIM wants humanity to survive and Shepard's the one who can do the most to make that happen. Neither Shepard nor TIM have good reasons to fight during the game. Maybe if there's an epilogue, there can be a mention of a paragon Shepard devoting time to hunting down Cerberus, but it needs to wait until after mecha-Cthulhu has been taken care off.

And as Zulu says above, TIM is way too awesome of a character to just kill off in ME3, and he's a good starting point for further games. I'd add that, given the highly secretive and cautious nature of TIM, that Shepard would even be able to find and kill him would be in doubt. Then again, one of the few non-awesome parts of LOTSB was how easy the Shadow Broker was to track down and kill, so I guess Bioware might do it again for TIM. But hopefully not.

Clearly the Reaper threat is priority 1 - 10,482,812,905 and taking out TIM  comes in at 412,096,354,290 but at some point, even if it's a post ME3 finale DLC, I want to take down Cerberus.

Modifié par Yakko77, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[The Unfallen]

You people aren't seriously suggesting that we will be working with Cerberus...AGAIN?



They are behind Akuze, which is my Shepard's history. He will never work with them again.



End of.

[luakel]

Yakko77 wrote...
Clearly the Reaper threat is priority 1 -
10,482,812,905 and taking out TIM  comes in at 412,096,354,290 but at
some point, even if it's a post ME3 finale DLC, I want to take down
Cerberus.

So do I. But it needs to be comprehensive, maybe even multiple DLC in a series to keep us occupied till ME4. No "hey this data says where TIM is, let's go kill him", he should have some decoys or traps set up at least.

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

You people aren't seriously suggesting that we will be working with Cerberus...AGAIN?

They are behind Akuze, which is my Shepard's history. He will never work with them again.

End of.

Should you have to work with them? No, of course not. If Shepard wants to ignore every call TIM makes with offers of aid, that should be a choice (doubt it will be though).

But there shouldn't be any option to take out TIM, unless he turns traitor or seriously hinders the war effort, because the Reapers have arrived and that's a threat of far greater magnitude. For Shepard to make clear that s/he wants Cerberus gone as soon as it's a realistic option is something that should be in the game if a player wants it to be; for Shepard to take time to destroy Cerberus in the middle of the war should not be, because it's stupid.

Modifié par luakel, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

One of the reasons why I think that BioWare won't give a chance to kill TIM in ME3 is that he's too awesome a character (even won "Character of the Year" title at IGN) to pass up. ME3 is promised to conclude Commander Shepard's story arc (be that an "ultimate sacrifice" or an honorable retirement into making a lot of blue children), but the ME franchise will probably be continued, and TIM (& Cerberus) is a great asset to the writers at BioWare, for making new stories. They've put a lot of effort to develop it, although there were certain epic fails (such as "Overlord" DLC)... So they won't simply pass it up. Otherwise, who the Paragons are going to hate in ME4?

And that's exactly what I meant earlier.

[Dracotamer]

I personally hope I get to kill TIM and destroy Cerberus.

[TexasToast712]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

You people aren't seriously suggesting that we will be working with Cerberus...AGAIN?

They are behind Akuze, which is my Shepard's history. He will never work with them again.

End of.

Sucks to be you. My Shepard kicked the Batarians asses on Torfan. He has no problem working with Cerberus until they try to kill him, In that case my Renagon shepard will hand TIM an ass whooping.

[CROAT_56]

i dont want to kill the man though he is evil MS is to cool a VA to just kill off. I think that he should be used as a hey council look who i braugh you now do you believe i dont work for Cerberus. This could be one of the three choises this being Paragon Renegade being kill him and Neutral being let him stay in power. now Miranda could take over as head of Cerberus as a Intel organization (STG) of the allience with aproval of the Council

What you guys think

[The Unfallen]

Look, all I'm asking for BioWare is to get the option to at least shun Cerberus and rejoin the Alliance, that is all.



=)

[Bluko]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Regardless of Shepard's choices, Cerberus is going to save the Galaxy, and you all know it. If Shepard have made pro-Human choices over the course of the trilogy, Cerberus will also secure Human dominance.

I can see it now...

T.I.M.:"In light of the recent Reaper attacks I'm organizing the Council races into the first Galactic Empire!"

But I think you're right OP.

If you helped Cerberus in ME2 they likely be an ally in ME3 (by keeping the base), which Renegades are kind of lacking. If you didn't by destroying the base then yes they'll probably be some sort of enemy to give Paragons a bit more hassle for their goody-tosho ways.

[AlexXIV]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Look, all I'm asking for BioWare is to get the option to at least shun Cerberus and rejoin the Alliance, that is all.

=)

That's actually the most likely thing to happen. Or maybe Cerberus works for the Alliance again.

In the Paragon end though Shep more or less quits the job at Cerberus and takes the Normandy and it's crew with him/her. So I guess Cerberus could be upset about that, but what are they gonna do? If they fight Shep they will get their asses handed. And they are officially terrorists to the Alliance and the Council, so ... they won't go to court and sue Shep either.

[The Unfallen]

AlexXIV wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Look, all I'm asking for BioWare is to get the option to at least shun Cerberus and rejoin the Alliance, that is all.

=)

That's actually the most likely thing to happen. Or maybe Cerberus works for the Alliance again.

In the Paragon end though Shep more or less quits the job at Cerberus and takes the Normandy and it's crew with him/her. So I guess Cerberus could be upset about that, but what are they gonna do? If they fight Shep they will get their asses handed. And they are officially terrorists to the Alliance and the Council, so ... they won't go to court and sue Shep either.

Exactly, it just isn't logical for Shepard, Paragon, to return. It doesn't make sense, especially for my Sole Survivor.

[AlexXIV]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

Look, all I'm asking for BioWare is to get the option to at least shun Cerberus and rejoin the Alliance, that is all.

=)

That's actually the most likely thing to happen. Or maybe Cerberus works for the Alliance again.

In the Paragon end though Shep more or less quits the job at Cerberus and takes the Normandy and it's crew with him/her. So I guess Cerberus could be upset about that, but what are they gonna do? If they fight Shep they will get their asses handed. And they are officially terrorists to the Alliance and the Council, so ... they won't go to court and sue Shep either.

Exactly, it just isn't logical for Shepard, Paragon, to return. It doesn't make sense, especially for my Sole Survivor.

Since my Shep is still a Specter she doesn't need the Alliance tbh. I never understood why she still worked for Hackett in ME1 even though Specters only answer to the Council. Always seemed to me as if the Alliance had difficulties to let her go. I still did the missions ofc, but still ...

I think Shep can just be a Council Specter without actually working for either Cerberus or the Alliance.

[CROAT_56]

s/he can work for whoever s/he deems nessasary in fuffilling her/his goals

[Xilizhra]

While it may be that Cerberus is somehow preserved in ME3, I definitely hope that it's not. A defeat there would be much too satisfying.



However, I don't really want to go back to the Alliance: I don't trust it anymore and think that Cerberus controls more of its destiny than most know. Remaining in service to the Council would be enough.

[The Unfallen]

Xilizhra wrote...

While it may be that Cerberus is somehow preserved in ME3, I definitely hope that it's not. A defeat there would be much too satisfying.

However, I don't really want to go back to the Alliance: I don't trust it anymore and think that Cerberus controls more of its destiny than most know. Remaining in service to the Council would be enough.

I'd be happy with this as well. (=

[The Unfallen]

stickmanhenry wrote...

I've said it before and I will say it again.

Final fisticuffs showdown between Shepard and TIM on the burning, crashing, Flagship of the recently destroyed Reaper fleet.

That is all.

YES.


OMFG YES YES YES. This is as must as "Ah yes "Reapers" we have...-looks behind to see Reapers arriving-"