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[lovgreno]

That Yellow Bastard wrote...

stickmanhenry wrote...

I've said it before and I will say it again.

Final fisticuffs showdown between Shepard and TIM on the burning, crashing, Flagship of the recently destroyed Reaper fleet.

That is all.

YES.


OMFG YES YES YES. This is as must as "Ah yes "Reapers" we have...-looks behind to see Reapers arriving-"

With Wrex and Garrus in the background playing some heavy metal on guitars made from dead reapers.

[Wereparrot]

I would like to take over Cerberus and reintegrate it into the Alliance as a Special Forces Branch (airborne assault maybe). A shady past does not mean an organisation in general cannot redeem itself.

[Encarmine]

So much Cerberus hate, is crazy, we need Cerberus, they are humanity, they represent our worst and best traits. I firmly belive they are still under the Alliance unbrella, black ops operation. Even the Admiral from ME1 was expendable.



What do you people imagine Cerberus would do if it became super powerfull? suddenly turn up wit hevil red eyes and las0r earth, no, they would make humanity a powerfull self sufficient Empire, crushing true enermies like those evil Batarians. Showing the goverments of the Asari, Taurian and Salarians that we dont fu#k about, its our way or the highway.



Who's fault is it that the reapers became a large threat? Not Humanity, Whos fault is it that no one knows about the threat of the reapers? not humanity.



Who brought back the Cipher, the only hope of possibly saving the entire galaxy? yeah thats right i dont even need to say it. Who equipt you with the ship, crew and intel to fight the collectors.. ah huh thought so.



So what, they test things out on a minute percentage of people, for just fun? or for the advancement of the entire Human Race? For the Greater Good would be my view. Everyother race just blindly followed the 'plan' laid down by the reapers, at least Cerberus/Humanity show initiative and think outside the box.



Many of you are blinded by raw emotion, and that means your useless in the grand scheme of things, deserved pawns in the great game of survival!



Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

[Xilizhra]

What do you people imagine Cerberus would do if it became super powerfull? suddenly turn up wit hevil red eyes and las0r earth, no, they would make humanity a powerfull self sufficient Empire, crushing true enermies like those evil Batarians. Showing the goverments of the Asari, Taurian and Salarians that we dont fu#k about, its our way or the highway.

I don't, in fact, want this. I don't want monospecies dominance of the galaxy, which is why I'll bring Cerberus down when the opportunity arises that won't hinder the Reapers.

[Encarmine]

Xilizhra wrote...

What do you people imagine Cerberus would do if it became super powerfull? suddenly turn up wit hevil red eyes and las0r earth, no, they would make humanity a powerfull self sufficient Empire, crushing true enermies like those evil Batarians. Showing the goverments of the Asari, Taurian and Salarians that we dont fu#k about, its our way or the highway.

I don't, in fact, want this. I don't want monospecies dominance of the galaxy, which is why I'll bring Cerberus down when the opportunity arises that won't hinder the Reapers.

Well if i ruled, you would be tied to a post and shot for treason , but then were all entitled to our views, mine is more of a dark 'realist' view of the future . Not cuddlely and fuzzy like yours

[Barquiel]

dismantled (and TIM is dead or arrested)...at least I hope so!

[SolidSolidino]

excuse me guys, but the Miranda's Dossier says



"Possible recruitment candidate after Illusive Man's assassination and destruction of Cerberus''



exactly, when happens this? O____o

[GodWood]

SolidSolidino wrote...
excuse me guys, but the Miranda's Dossier says

"Possible recruitment candidate after Illusive Man's assassination and destruction of Cerberus''

exactly, when happens this? O____o

It's what the Shadow Broker was planning to do I presume.

[Vaenier]

SolidSolidino wrote...

excuse me guys, but the Miranda's Dossier says

"Possible recruitment candidate after Illusive Man's assassination and destruction of Cerberus''

exactly, when happens this? O____o

The future. Could of happened in the future. She would be useful only if the SB could get rid of Cerberus first. Now the SB died...

[Wereparrot]

Barquiel wrote...

dismantled (and TIM is dead or arrested)...at least I hope so!

TIM is a poor leader not to realize and control the rogue elements in his own faction. I reserve judgement, and I think everyone else should too, based on so little evidence against him.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 20 décembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[SolidSolidino]

ah now i get it, thanks guys. ^___^

[Peuhkis]

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I would see it as an obstacle in my progress and destroy Cerberus with the help of Shadow Broker Liara. I have no further need for them and for all you know they could try to do...stuff. So yeah, Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

lovgreno wrote...
With Wrex and Garrus in the background playing some heavy metal on guitars made from dead reapers.

The sheer thought of so much win...arghhh...so much...WIIII-
*boom*

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 20 décembre 2010 - 02:46 .

[J0HNL3I]

i think somthing will happen in ME 2 dlc not ME 3

[AlexXIV]

Encarmine wrote...

So much Cerberus hate, is crazy, we need Cerberus, they are humanity *snip* 

It's probably not even about Cerberus. At least in my opinion. But if I have to take more of that 'humanity here humanity there, humanity is the best' BS I will have to throw up. There has been a time when games actually opened minds and not just catered to the closed minded.

I am not anti-human or anything, how could I? I am human. But I am getting bored of games/movies which have that 'save humanity, stand up for humanity' thing going on over and over. I can take the fact that Shep is human and the one who saves the galaxy, but I really don't need a game to tell me how great humanity is and how all aliens suck.

So far Bioware have done a relatively decent job being 'neutral' in this matter. And I hope it stays that way.

[Yakko77]

Peuhkis wrote...

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

Yeah, and they'll KILL you if it suits their purpose in some experiement to make that happen.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yakko77 wrote...

Peuhkis wrote...

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

Yeah, and they'll KILL you if it suits their purpose in some experiement to make that happen.

And does that changes what you quoted in any way?

Salvation comes with a cost. In the case of the Collectors and their threat, that cost is Cerberus. All things considered, there have been far greater costs for far less meaningful gains than Cerberus and the sum total of all their crimes.

[Wereparrot]

Yakko77 wrote...

Peuhkis wrote...

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

Yeah, and they'll KILL you if it suits their purpose in some experiement to make that happen.

If you're referring to Jack's incarceration; I thought it was established in game that was a rogue element of Cerberus.

[Dean_the_Young]

Wereparrot wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Peuhkis wrote...

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

Yeah, and they'll KILL you if it suits their purpose in some experiement to make that happen.

If you're referring to Jack's incarceration; I thought it was established in game that was a rogue element of Cerberus.

Pragia was rogue in the extent of what they did, but Cerberus does have a known history of lethal experiments.

[Yakko77]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Peuhkis wrote...

Encarmine wrote...
Cerberus on behalf of the Alliance has already saved the galaxy, your all just too slow to relise it. yet.

This.

Yeah, and they'll KILL you if it suits their purpose in some experiement to make that happen.

And does that changes what you quoted in any way?

Salvation comes with a cost. In the case of the Collectors and their threat, that cost is Cerberus. All things considered, there have been far greater costs for far less meaningful gains than Cerberus and the sum total of all their crimes.

So it's OK for Cerberus to save humanity when their actions clearly show they have no humanity?

There was no way for Cerberus to gain useful intelligence and other advances without committing acts of atrocity?  Cerberus had NO CHOICE but to experiment with (costing countless innocent lives in the process) with Rachni, Thorian Creepers, Thresher Maws, Overlord, Husks, murdering an Alliance Admiral, etc etc etc.

You're saying all that and likely more is morally justifiable?

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Yeah. I wanna see how this happens. Theories say that the consequence of the decision to blow up the base or not to is related to your connection with Cerberus. If this is what happens, then it will largely influence that option.



I blew up the base, disliked the dialogue after it, too much out of what I wanted for my character (Sole Survivor), there were no options to what I wanted him to say. Now, after seeing this I think that my main Shepard will blow it out anyway for this and also to cut connections with Cerberus, if this is a possibility, or even to be more independent of them.

[CARL_DF90]

I can see only one possible fate for Cerberus: utter destruction, as it should be.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Yeah. I wanna see how this happens. Theories say that the consequence of the decision to blow up the base or not to is related to your connection with Cerberus. If this is what happens, then it will largely influence that option.



I blew up the base, disliked the dialogue after it, too much out of what I wanted for my character (Sole Survivor), there were no options to what I wanted him to say. Now, after seeing this I think that my main Shepard will blow it out anyway for this and also to cut connections with Cerberus, if this is a possibility, or even to be more independent of them.

The reason that was omitted (imho) is a few things. Firstly even if you played Mass Effect you might not have known who was behind Akuze if you didn't do the mission referring to it. Then there is the fact of default Shep not knowing about it. Then the fact that Shepard might consider that if it hadn't been for what Cerberus did, they wouldn't be the person they are today. It isn't listed in the 'Sole Survivor' page (unless it's been updated) when making a shep that Cerberus was behind it, thus blanking it allows for people to have their own interpretation of it without having an opinion forced on them and it won't dumbfound new players.

As for the final speech, it's a bit silly if you go down the path of classing your Shepard as part of Cerberus because its hard to go through that whole dialogue without Shepard going all angry at TIM even if you DID save the base.

@Yakko did you not read Dean's first sentence?

What has what Cerberus could potentially do, got to do with the fact that if it weren't for Cerberus, not only would Shepard be dead, but humanity would be well losing more and more colonies. You can think all you want about them, no Cerberus, no Shepard, humans juicified into a reaper. Human Reaper made, hits Citadel, opens the relay. Reapers come in, destroy everything, Galaxy purged.

It really isn't that hard to understand.

[Yakko77]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

@Yakko did you not read Dean's first sentence?

What has what Cerberus could potentially do, got to do with the fact that if it weren't for Cerberus, not only would Shepard be dead, but humanity would be well losing more and more colonies. You can think all you want about them, no Cerberus, no Shepard, humans juicified into a reaper. Human Reaper made, hits Citadel, opens the relay. Reapers come in, destroy everything, Galaxy purged.

It really isn't that hard to understand.

It's seems you're assuming all of the past atrocities carried out by Cerberus have been done to counter the Reaper/Collector threat.  Their atrocities were going on LONG before Saren and Sovereign came to the scene and the Reaper threat was even known.

Shepard may be the "key" to stopping the Reapers but you're kidding yourself if TIM didn't bring Shepard back at least in part in the hopes that s/he will help Cerberus gain dominance once the dust settles.  Bringing Shep back to save the galaxy earns TIM  a quick instead of slow death for his past crimes, nothing else.

Also keep in mind, I'm not some hand wringing pacifist or anything.  I've gotten into long and heated debates with others over the using of the atomic bomb during WWII, an act which I support but my main point is that the crimes carried out by Cerberus weren't done with some noble intent of saving the galaxy as some here seem to think while the using of the atom bomb during time of war, though horrific actually saved countless millions on both sides as it prevented the need for an invasion of Japan IMO.  Edit:  I'm aware sometimes tough decisions have to be made and lives sacrificed in the face of horrible odds be it the Reapers or fighting genocidal regimes here on real life Earth but I  simply don't think Cerberus has noble or anyhere near ethical intent.

Maybe I'm just misreading things but that's how I'm interpretting this discussion and it is an interesting and thought provoking discussion which I hope can continue.

Modifié par Yakko77, 20 décembre 2010 - 06:03 .

[Xilizhra]

I think, overall, it means two things.

1. It is better that Cerberus was resurrecting Shepard instead of no one doing so.

2. Things would be far better if a more moderate organization than Cerberus existed in place of Cerberus, and had resurrected Shepard.