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[Wereparrot]

JockBuster wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Kill em all! !

YES! Save Jack, then turn her loose against TIM etc.

Jack is no better than Cerberus. Jack is an arrogant murderer who shows no remorse. I really don't understand why people like her.

[luakel]

Wereparrot wrote...
Jack is no better than Cerberus. Jack is an arrogant murderer who shows no remorse. I really don't understand why people like her.

Maybe it's kind of off-topic from Cerberus, but THIS a thousand times. The fact that Jack has some major issues in her past and can begin to work through them with help of Shepard does not excuse the fact that she is a wanted murderer many times over and talks about how great kiling is. Just like how Cerberus resurrecting Shepard and doing everything for the supposed good of humanity does not excuse them from treating individuals like statistics and breaking moral standards constantly.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yakko77 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually agree with you in Cerberus still working for the Alliance, though in my case, instead of supporting Cerberus, it made me lose faith in the Alliance.

And yes, it is irritating. Cerberus was a bunch of straight-up villains in ME1, while the Shadow Broker was an intriguing, neutral figure that would have been quite interesting to work for... they seem to have switched in ME2.

If Cerberus is still with the Alliance then why is Cerberus gearing up for a fight with the Reapers and not the Alliance?

What the Alliance can do publicaly and what it can do privately are always two different things. That's why Cerberus was made.

Alliance public policy might not agree or be amiable to the sort of preparation, but the few, the connected, the aware, those who can direct Cerberus, could do something.

Or maybe the Alliance secretly is given the snipet of info on Kasumi's Greybox and Cerberus is simply their covert recon force to look into it.

Maybe.

[Yakko77]

Wereparrot wrote...

JockBuster wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Kill em all! !

YES! Save Jack, then turn her loose against TIM etc.

Jack is no better than Cerberus. Jack is an arrogant murderer who shows no remorse. I really don't understand why people like her.

Jack is a somewhat unusual case.  Given her tortured upbringing by Cerberus, I can't help but wonder who wouldn't end up being like her.  I think she knows the difference from right and wrong / good and evil but in her words I just don't think she, "gives a f**k".  If loyal, just be glad she's on "your side" and go with it I guess.

[Dean_the_Young]

And Cerberus was spawned in no small part because the Turians started the First Contact War and killed a lot of people. So what?

[Wereparrot]

Yakko77 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually agree with you in Cerberus still working for the Alliance, though in my case, instead of supporting Cerberus, it made me lose faith in the Alliance.

And yes, it is irritating. Cerberus was a bunch of straight-up villains in ME1, while the Shadow Broker was an intriguing, neutral figure that would have been quite interesting to work for... they seem to have switched in ME2.

If Cerberus is still with the Alliance then why is Cerberus gearing up for a fight with the Reapers and not the Alliance?

I think it speaks volumes that when Shepherd suggests mobilizing the Alliance to TIM, he doesn't contradict or disagree with Shep in any way; he merely suggests why they wouldn't play ball. This suggests that maybe there has been some prior communication between the Alliance and Cerberus.

[Yakko77]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually agree with you in Cerberus still working for the Alliance, though in my case, instead of supporting Cerberus, it made me lose faith in the Alliance.

And yes, it is irritating. Cerberus was a bunch of straight-up villains in ME1, while the Shadow Broker was an intriguing, neutral figure that would have been quite interesting to work for... they seem to have switched in ME2.

If Cerberus is still with the Alliance then why is Cerberus gearing up for a fight with the Reapers and not the Alliance?

What the Alliance can do publicaly and what it can do privately are always two different things. That's why Cerberus was made.

Alliance public policy might not agree or be amiable to the sort of preparation, but the few, the connected, the aware, those who can direct Cerberus, could do something.

You'd like to think Anderson, whether Councilor or advisor would have some pull in the Alliance and add to that the footage in the SB base which shows Anderson talking to someone from Cerberus.

[Zulu_DFA]

Yakko77 wrote...

You'd like to think Anderson, whether Councilor or advisor would have some pull in the Alliance and add to that the footage in the SB base which shows Anderson talking to someone from Cerberus.

Anderson is clearly a dissenter of the Alliance, check his Shadow Broker's dossier. He is probably kept around for the PR purposes (war hero, etc.).

As for the video footage, he had to be tipped off somehow about the Horizon, right? Maybe he even thinks that guy is his man in Cerberus, while in fact the guy is loyal to TIM. Or he is indeed defecting to Anderson, but TIM knows that and uses it to manipulate Anderson. God, this is so simple!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 décembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Yakko77 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually agree with you in Cerberus still working for the Alliance, though in my case, instead of supporting Cerberus, it made me lose faith in the Alliance.

And yes, it is irritating. Cerberus was a bunch of straight-up villains in ME1, while the Shadow Broker was an intriguing, neutral figure that would have been quite interesting to work for... they seem to have switched in ME2.

If Cerberus is still with the Alliance then why is Cerberus gearing up for a fight with the Reapers and not the Alliance?

What the Alliance can do publicaly and what it can do privately are always two different things. That's why Cerberus was made.

Alliance public policy might not agree or be amiable to the sort of preparation, but the few, the connected, the aware, those who can direct Cerberus, could do something.

You'd like to think Anderson, whether Councilor or advisor would have some pull in the Alliance and add to that the footage in the SB base which shows Anderson talking to someone from Cerberus.

Anderson does have pull in the Alliance. That doesn't mean he can shape policy however he wants. Anderson is a representitive of the Alliance, not dictator of the Alliance. His word is not law.

[luakel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
As for the video footage, he had to get tipped off somehow about the Horizon, right?

Good theory, but did Anderson know about Horizon from that informant or just from the higher-ups? IIRC Kaidashley mentions getting "stonewalled" by Anderson, so clearly their orders to be on Horizon came from somewhere else. I bet TIM leaked/gave the Horizon info to someone like Hackett, and Anderson was told only when it was deemed unavoidable, based on his alien sympathies and general unprofessionalism. Anderson's probably getting info on something else from that guy, possibly about Shepard's whereabouts.

On another note, how did that Cerberus guy manage to walk onto the Presidium in broad daylight wearing a Cerberus outfit, which should mark him as a terrorist in C-Sec's eyes? Shepard's different, he has plot armor... you'd think Anderson would have to arrange a meeting somewhere else, like on Omega.

[Zulu_DFA]

luakel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
As for the video footage, he had to be tipped off somehow about the Horizon, right?

Good theory, but did Anderson know about Horizon from that informant or just from the higher-ups? IIRC Kaidashley mentions getting "stonewalled" by Anderson, so clearly their orders to be on Horizon came from somewhere else. I bet TIM leaked/gave the Horizon info to someone like Hackett, and Anderson was told only when it was deemed unavoidable, based on his alien sympathies and general unprofessionalism. Anderson's probably getting info on something else from that guy, possibly about Shepard's whereabouts.

Also possible, although he "stonewalling" part as I understood it reflected Anderson's own doubts (which were ultimately the reason he sent VS to Horizon -- to clear things out).

luakel wrote...

On another note, how did that Cerberus guy manage to walk onto the Presidium in broad daylight wearing a Cerberus outfit, which should mark him as a terrorist in C-Sec's eyes? Shepard's different, he has plot armor... you'd think Anderson would have to arrange a meeting somewhere else, like on Omega.

The same way as you do with Miranda&Jacob. The popular theory is that it's actually a front corporation's (Cord-Hislop) official logo. Although in this case it should get lost in ME3, if the corporation was exposed during the events of Retribution.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 décembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

I think if you destroyed the base Cerberus will pick a new front man eager to out do Shep and team, the new guy will try to get all the glory for Cerberus and in turn he will make a formidable adversary

[luakel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Also possible, although he "stonewalling" part as I understood it reflected Anderson's own doubts (which were ultimately the reason he sent VS to Horizon -- to clear things out).

Anderson seems to be a lot more secretive than he acts to Shepard, even accounting for Shepard's Cerberus association. I wonder if he'll spend the time between Retribution and ME3 building up his own anti-Cerberus network along with Kahlee, now that he's left the Alliance? Could make for an interesting choice, Anderson vs. TIM. Wonder which side Udina would pick...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
The same way as you do with Miranda&Jacob. The popular theory is that it's actually a front corporation's (Cord-Hislop) official logo. Although in this case it should get lost in ME3, if the corporation was exposed during the events of Retribution.

Yeah, I guess the only choices are suspending disbelief or using the Cord-Hislop logo theory. I wonder if Cerberus even needs a logo in ME3 though; the turian attack seems to have destroyed alot of their resources and forced the remainder even further underground, TIM will probably go for discretion over finding a cool new shape to plaster over all of his property.

Shepard needs a Vacation wrote...

I think if you destroyed
the base Cerberus will pick a new front man eager to out do Shep and
team, the new guy will try to get all the glory for Cerberus and in turn
he will make a formidable adversary

Kai Leng could be a good choice, he's ex-Alliance and everything. But how would he be an adversary? If he's just trying to grab glory, I can see a bit of a rivalry going, but Shep and the Cerberus guy would still be on the same side against the Reapers. Unless TIM loses his brain and decides that attacking Shep is a good idea...

[Zulu_DFA]

luakel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Also possible, although he "stonewalling" part as I understood it reflected Anderson's own doubts (which were ultimately the reason he sent VS to Horizon -- to clear things out).

Anderson seems to be a lot more secretive than he acts to Shepard, even accounting for Shepard's Cerberus association. I wonder if he'll spend the time between Retribution and ME3 building up his own anti-Cerberus network along with Kahlee, now that he's left the Alliance? Could make for an interesting choice, Anderson vs. TIM. Wonder which side Udina would pick...

In the Epilogue of Retribution TIM expresses both readiness to cooperate with Anderson as far as the fighting the Reapers goes, and realization that Anderson wouldn't want such a cooperation. So I think TIM will try to infiltrate Anderson's enterprise, which can be a decent cameo role for Jacob.

As for Udina, I think it's quite clear who he would side with.

luakel wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The same way as you do with Miranda&Jacob. The popular theory is that it's actually a front corporation's (Cord-Hislop) official logo. Although in this case it should get lost in ME3, if the corporation was exposed during the events of Retribution.

Yeah, I guess the only choices are suspending disbelief or using the Cord-Hislop logo theory. I wonder if Cerberus even needs a logo in ME3 though; the turian attack seems to have destroyed alot of their resources and forced the remainder even further underground, TIM will probably go for discretion over finding a cool new shape to plaster over all of his property.

Quite. I think Cerberus will be operating behind the scenes, infiltrating, manipulating, etc., before coming into the open in the later parts of ME3.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 20 décembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Wow look at how active my thread has become!



Well I've been thinking about it and if Cerberus is stilll around in ME3 even with the Paragon option taken than I'd like alot to help make it into a lagitamate part of the Alliance. You could remove TIM from the organization and anyone who joined Cerberus because they liked hurting people and replace them with people of my choising. I'd love to put Miranda in charge of Cerberus just like Liara was made the new SB. Then we'd have two people that Shepard trusts being in charge of two powerful factions in the galaxy... Both of which my Shepard romanced How akward lol

[Encarmine]

you know if i was bioware. All this cerberus hate, the perfect ending would be this.



'Shepard congratulations, you have saved the galaxy, as we planned' TIM



'And now im coming for you, Cerberus doesnt represent anything about humanity, your a disgrace' Shepard



'Is that so, I just wanted to thank you for your efforts, its a shame things had to end this way' TIM



*TIM presses some buttons, sheperd begins to have what appears to be a heart attack, dies laying in his LI's arms*



How tragic that would be, afterall we have spent the whole game being told Cerberus are using us, will turn on us when the time comes etc. haha like the crazy dude on Jacks loyalty mission once said



'It will be beautiful' lol

[lovgreno]

I got the feeling someone else will take Cerberus place in ME3. Under the whole story of ME2 we have been given reasons to doubt if working for Cerb is the right thing even in the shorter perspective. It's part of the drama.



But one thing is for sure; Shepard should be ready to work with anyone who can help him/her in the fight against the reapers, be it Council, Cerberus, Shadow Broker, Turians, Geth or even Batarians. If these are worth it to work with is another thing I suppose. It just seems like limiting your options too much to give your full support to little Cerberus when that will cost you many other bigger allies.

[CROAT_56]

likee i said i think we will have the opertunity to fix cerberus, make them not a negligent

[Yakko77]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Anderson does have pull in the Alliance. That doesn't mean he can shape policy however he wants. Anderson is a representitive of the Alliance, not dictator of the Alliance. His word is not law.

Exactly.  He doesn't have final say in Alliance military affairs but as the Council representative I would assume he could at least hold some sway for basic preparations. Something to make full mobilization easier should the need arise.  Even if he has to call the threat something else but knowing fully he preparing humanity for the Reapers.

[Reiella]

Encarmine wrote...

you know if i was bioware. All this cerberus hate, the perfect ending would be this.

'Shepard congratulations, you have saved the galaxy, as we planned' TIM

'And now im coming for you, Cerberus doesnt represent anything about humanity, your a disgrace' Shepard

'Is that so, I just wanted to thank you for your efforts, its a shame things had to end this way' TIM

*TIM presses some buttons, sheperd begins to have what appears to be a heart attack, dies laying in his LI's arms*

How tragic that would be, afterall we have spent the whole game being told Cerberus are using us, will turn on us when the time comes etc. haha like the crazy dude on Jacks loyalty mission once said

'It will be beautiful' lol

Y'know, the other side of that screw around leaves one wondering, just how much information would become 'Free' in regards to TIM from a certain information broker.

[Rip504]

Hopefully they can die or live.

[Sajuro]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Wow look at how active my thread has become!

Well I've been thinking about it and if Cerberus is stilll around in ME3 even with the Paragon option taken than I'd like alot to help make it into a lagitamate part of the Alliance. You could remove TIM from the organization and anyone who joined Cerberus because they liked hurting people and replace them with people of my choising. I'd love to put Miranda in charge of Cerberus just like Liara was made the new SB. Then we'd have two people that Shepard trusts being in charge of two powerful factions in the galaxy... Both of which my Shepard romanced How akward lol

ooh, make Shepard the most powerful person in the galaxy (especially if a loyal Zaeed leads the blue suns, Tali is an admiral, and the STG is on your side.)

[luakel]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
In the Epilogue of Retribution TIM
expresses both readiness to cooperate with Anderson as far as the
fighting the Reapers goes, and realization that Anderson wouldn't want
such a cooperation. So I think TIM will try to infiltrate Anderson's
enterprise, which can be a decent cameo role for Jacob.

Interesting idea. Then again, Jacob may be more loyal to Shepard at this point, based on his post-SM comments.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

As for Udina, I think it's quite clear who he would side with.

Heh, he'll probably consider Anderson for a second before remembering how much he thinks with his fists.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Wow look at how active my thread has become!

Putting the word Cerberus in a thread title is basically code for "inflate this thread's post-count."

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Well I've been thinking about it and if Cerberus is stilll around in ME3 even with the Paragon option taken than I'd like alot to help make it into a lagitamate part of the Alliance. You could remove TIM from the organization and anyone who joined Cerberus because they liked hurting people and replace them with people of my choising. I'd love to put Miranda in charge of Cerberus just like Liara was made the new SB. Then we'd have two people that Shepard trusts being in charge of two powerful factions in the galaxy... Both of which my Shepard romanced How akward lol

Well, all those people who want catfights between ME1 and ME2 LIs would get to see a galactic war fought over them... <_<

Kinda OT, but I wish there was a way to turn back to the collector base once the not-explosion is done and leave Miranda there. If there was, I would've saved the base without hesitation... she would the best leader for an excavation-type project there that I can think of, she's personally loyal to Shepard but also TIM's second-in-command so he wouldn't mind her control over such an important matter, and she has enough moral doubts about the base that she wouldn't do anything us paragons would disagree with. Making her the new leader of Cerberus (though I like TIM, he should stay around somehow) would be just as good, for most of the same reasons...

Modifié par luakel, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:27 .

[Peuhkis]

First of all, i'd like to point out to the ones who think Cerberus is super evil, because Cerberus killed admiral kahoku that cerberus is like CIA. CIA does not want anyone meddling in its bussiness and have done morally questionable actions throughout its history, yet i bet americans are pretty happy that CIA is there protecting their interests, CIA being cerberus and america being humanity here. just as an example. Personally i hope i can continue my co-operation with Cerberus.

[Reiella]

Peuhkis wrote...

First of all, i'd like to point out to the ones who think Cerberus is super evil, because Cerberus killed admiral kahoku that cerberus is like CIA. CIA does not want anyone meddling in its bussiness and have done morally questionable actions throughout its history, yet i bet americans are pretty happy that CIA is there protecting their interests, CIA being cerberus and america being humanity here. just as an example. Personally i hope i can continue my co-operation with Cerberus.

Of course, I think about how repugnant I felt back in october when the Guatemalan non-voluntary experiments became public.