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[Persephone]

Ymladdych wrote...

Persephone wrote...
You think her snide comments and their banters are her being evil? I remember him giving as well as he got, most of the time. And he is no better to a male Warden who happens to love Morrigan: Calling her a biatch, whining at Wynne that Morri is a baaaaaad influence etc. Nothing of this is being "evil", it's simply bad chemistry. It's not like Morrigan throws a party if you allow Alistair to be executed.

As for hating Alistair...okay?  I don't care...hate him all you want.  Execute him, by all means.  I can understand why people might not like him.  Then again, Alistair shows compassion for people other than the Warden and he's not the one asking for an Old God's soul.

I do not hate Alistair at all. I simply don't love everything about him. Depending on my characters though. Some adore him, some can't stand him. I never let him get executed though. Did it once and it broke my heart.

[Moondoggie]

I just find it amusing how that power hungry bastard Arl Eamon just forgets about Alastair if you have him executed and doesn't even protest then spends the rest of his time sucking up to Anora.



And yeah there's compassion and there is being a whiny spoilt brat which Alastair acts like most of the time throwing a fit when he doesn't get his way him and Wynne go well together.

[Reika]

I've never had Alistair throw fits, but then again my natural gameplay tendency goes along with how he was setup to view things like hand in glove. The few times I tried playing a different type of character I couldn't get very far, I deal with enough people like that irl.

[Ollymandias]

And yeah there's compassion and there is being a whiny spoilt brat which Alastair acts like most of the time throwing a fit when he doesn't get his way him and Wynne go well together.

Alistair hasn't been privileged with the best upbringing. He has never learned to control his temper or to master his emotions, and while he's a lovely enthusiastic puppyish young man when he's happy, when he's unhappy he bites.



He knows it's wrong. He tells the Warden a story from his childhood about when Eamon decided to send Alistair away from Redcliffe. Alistair was so upset and heartbreakingly disappointed that he threw his most treasured possession at the wall in a tantrum fit and broke his mother's pendant. Afterwards, he regretted it immensely and he knew he'd behaved stupidly.



Imagine how terrible he must have felt after the Landsmeet, after he threw away his Grey Warden membership (can you even do that? Jory didn't get to do that). Alistair hadn't grown up a bit, bless him.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ollymandias wrote...

Alistair hasn't been privileged with the best upbringing. He has never learned to control his temper or to master his emotions, and while he's a lovely enthusiastic puppyish young man when he's happy, when he's unhappy he bites.

He knows it's wrong. He tells the Warden a story from his childhood about when Eamon decided to send Alistair away from Redcliffe. Alistair was so upset and heartbreakingly disappointed that he threw his most treasured possession at the wall in a tantrum fit and broke his mother's pendant. Afterwards, he regretted it immensely and he knew he'd behaved stupidly.

Imagine how terrible he must have felt after the Landsmeet, after he threw away his Grey Warden membership (can you even do that? Jory didn't get to do that). Alistair hadn't grown up a bit, bless him.

Gaider said that, in terms of abandoning the Wardens, it would be a descision he would deeply regret later on, at least in terms of not showing up to help out in the final battle before bailing and taking off to start his new career as Ferelden's favorite drunk in exile. He does react from a purely emotional basis in many sitations in game; rational thinking is not a strong point, or even a point at all. he does, however, even if after the fact, have the capability of realizing and admitting that he has screwed up or made a big mistake, something that alot of people can't or won't realize, so he's not totally hopeless.

He is, as we know him in game, a young man who really was never in a position to develop maturity or grow out of his sometimes childish reactions to situations. This comes from a sheltered, religous upbringing and lack of any decent adult figures or friends to enforce such a development, like most people have. Templar training and Chantry training in general is concerned about instilling total devotion and obiedience to the Maker, and less concerned about instilling personal responsibility, maturity, and balance in an initiate.

Really, Eamon was a total assbong. If he was remotely concerned about Aluistair's well being, but wanted to make sure he never had the chance to challenge the crown, he would have given him to some commoner family, preferably one in a foreign land, to raise as their own so at least he'd get a normal life. But he didn't, and I think Eamon didn't want to give up what he saw as a potentially useful tool. Better to drill into Alistair an inferiority complex and keep him as emotionally and mentally pliable in case a potential p[olitical use should come up.

bastard.<_<

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[Ollymandias]

 The option to have your Warden go after Alistair when the ruckus settles down after the Archdemon Battle would have been nice. 

When he stormed out of the Landsmeet in a gigantic huff, my Warden was appalled.  (“I cannot believe this!  In front of everyone!  He’s always done what I told him before!”)  But thinking it over, she had spent the whole quest telling him “There there, Alistair.  I know you miss Duncan. We’re going to give that nasty Loghain what’s coming to him,” and suddenly she decided that instead of chopping Loghain’s head off, she was going to invite him to join their special club.  Nobody came out of that playthrough smelling of roses.

He does, however, even if after the fact, have the capability of realizing and admitting that he has screwed up or made a big mistake, something that alot of people can't or won't realize

This is a good point. 

The point about his training teaching him to be devoted and obedient too. He is that, in spades. 

It seems that he’s desperate to give that devotion to someone but people he chooses keep letting him down.  He wanted to be loyal to Arl Eamon, but Eamon let him down by sending him away and being the assbong you describe.  He wanted to be loyal to Duncan, but Duncan had to go and die at Ostagar.  He wants to be loyal to the Warden, but if the Warden spares Loghain, it seems that Alistair’s idealized image of the Warden (if he has high approval) and the actions he’s seeing just don’t add up.  Poor fellow.

I really wonder what would have happened if Duncan had survived Ostagar with Alistair instead of the player character Warden.  After all, Duncan isn’t above recruiting new wardens from death row- Daveth was going to be hanged, I believe.  If Duncan had spared Loghain, would Alistair have reacted any differently?  

Modifié par Ollymandias, 22 décembre 2010 - 06:57 .

[Glorfindel709]

I think that Alistair would have reacted *very* differently if it had been Duncan who survived to recruit Loghain. Looking at the facts of gameplay and dialogue, Alistairs' main problem with Loghain is that his treachery led to the death of not just the Grey Wardens and the king, but Duncan specifically. Duncan, the man whose opinion and approval mattered to him most. Duncan, the man who was his father figure and to quote "the only person to ever care about what I wanted" and "he saved me."



If Duncan had recruited Loghain, I think that while Alistair would have protested, he would have accepted it as Duncans decision and tried to look past what Loghain had done to the rest of the order *because* Duncan was the one who did it. Alistair has from the start of any dialogue had a sort of fanatical devotion to Duncan and the idea of preserving his memory and living in a way that would make him proud. That was my person reason for being shocked when he did leave the Order if you spared Loghain(I never did) because abandoning the Wardens was completely against everything that Duncan spoke about the dedication and willingness to do what it took to defeat the Blight and be a true Warden.



"In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, sacrifice." Following the Grey Warden creed, you do what it necessary to achieve victory over the Blight. If that means sparing a traitorous but brilliant general to benefit at the head of your army, so be it. (Besides, it is a helpful way to get past the whole "you'll die if you dont sleep with morrigan" thing.)

[sanket]

I think morrigan's child is a darkspawn.