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[BelgarathMTH]

Merry Christmas, Glaucon! Merry Christmas, Phoenix! Hamsters and jolly fat men everywhere, rejoice!! Ho, ho, ho!!

:happy::kissing:=]

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Phoenix_Jackson]

O.o?
I forced you to use the toolset and you're still happy?
Wait.... wow,you used the toolset?
... and you're happy?
Wait... O.o?

Lol Glaucon Lurker

Yeah, Nexus has some protocols.  Kinda frustrating at the beginning really.  You'll have to wait for a while to endorse and (this is what took me much time to figure out) you can't use spaces when uploading images.

Modifié par Phoenix_Jackson, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:53 .

[BelgarathMTH]

Phoenix_Jackson wrote...

O.o?
I forced you to use the toolset and you're still happy?
Wait.... wow,you used the toolset?
... and you're happy?
Wait... O.o?

Lol Glaucon Lurker

Yeah, Nexus has some protocols.  Kinda frustrating at the beginning really.  You'll have to wait for a while to endorse and (this is what took me much time to figure out) you can't use spaces when uploading images.

Yeah, I'm actually so happy, that if you look anything like your portrait, I could kiss you and do other unspeakable (at least in this forum) things to, er, I mean with you! What delicious looking raven black hair and scruffy face you have, my dear! (Says the big, bad wolf.)

Your very clear and easy to follow documentation was why I had no trouble implementing your mod through the toolset. It seems that you have talent not only as a satirist, but also as a tech writer.

The nexus keeps claiming that I didn't download the file. I think it has something to do with my firewall. So I may not be able thank you there. Although, I did notice that I am already not the only one in the world who has downloaded your contribution to the community. 

Thank you again, my friend.

 

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 22 décembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Phoenix_Jackson]

 Now THAT's a compliment!  He he.  Actually, I look more like the first picture on the album I posted.  My hair is black though, and short like my portrait (Asian here).I'm actually surprised I got comments there.  lol.  Feels strange.
From the album I posted, the blue armor is Skye's armor.  I still don't know where I got that since I haven't played all the modules I downloaded yet.  But it's from one of them.  I used a cool MOD to get it (The Winter Forge) but takes a couple of trial-and-error to get around it.  It's a cool MOD though.

[Kuggen]

A fat rogue would be a stretch but blubber is far from dead weight for a warrior, specially if they are expected to act as a tank.



Rome's gladiators ate a special diet to put on a protective layer of fat. Shallow cuts on a lean and muscular person damages muscles and hurts their ability to fight. A fat person on the other hand can go on fighting even when riddled with bleeding cuts. It's just skin and blubber which will heal relatively easy. To slow them down you must score a good deep hit that reaches the important muscles or organs under the fat.

[Skeinchug]

Those macho type hero's are cliche. I want a hero with a beer gut. Be fun to watch it jiggle every time he gets hit.

[BelgarathMTH]

DSerpa wrote...

I have to disagree. A fat protagonist shatters suspension of disbelief. Rationalizing an obese PC by saying that mages don't need to exercise, or that wounds inflicted upon fat warriors are more likely to be superficial, falls flat when you consider the (no pun intended) elephant in the room. Remember Zombieland? Replace "zombies" with "darkspawn".

If you can find a way to make it work for you, by all means. But I wouldn't expect such a feature to appear in, well, any RPG.

It already does appear in MY rpg, courtesy of Phoenix.

Besides, isn't the idea of "Santa Claus Saves Ferelden" kind of a lark, especially at this time of year? It is to me. I find it great fun!

I do have trouble imagining myself leaping on top of an ogre and ramming my sword down its throat, the way I might have been able to do (hypothetically) when I was young and fit.

I have no trouble at all though, imagining a fat old man with a magic stick crushing an ogre to death through sheer telekinetic mental powers. (Crushing Prison). Or encasing it in ice and lowering the temperature around it to about minus 100 degrees. Or setting it on fire. I think the one unbeatable trump card in all these games is magic, which of course doesn't exist in our real world.

However, I suspect I'm never going to win with you, Serpa, since you seem to have a strong disliking for people who choose not to stay in shape. I was like you for a lot of years, all through my 20's. I worked out 2 hours a day and lived on about 2000 or less calories a day. I had a very active, shall we say "night" life. And I was so terribly depressed, and so terribly hungry.

So, I let myself go. I eat whatever I want, I don't exercise because I hate exercise, I have a good job, and I spend all my free time playing computer games where I can pretend to be a magical being who eats all he wants and walks around looking like Buddha, and is so powerful he can do anything he darn well pleases. And now I'm happy. 

So once again, thank you Phoenix, for giving me my own face in my Dragon Age game. It was the perfect Christmas present, and something I've always wanted. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 23 décembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Phoenix_Jackson]

Awww... I'm just glad I could help. Still figuring out how to get you a suitable gear, though. Stealing clothes from a fat guy would only make you look like a fat guy with a stick! Not a walking Buddha.

[BelgarathMTH]

Don't worry about the gear, Phoenix. I'm pretty sure that would be impossible to provide. It would mean making a "fat" version of every torso robe or armor in the game. And that's not even getting into nude body morphs.

It might be a realistic project for somebody to make one or two custom "fat" mage robes that could be downloaded as a mod, but then it would create the whole problem of how powerful to make it. I probably wouldn't use anything that didn't have a good bonus to spellpower and either defense or armor, and stuff like that isn't supposed to be obtainable until later in the game, either through defeating a powerful boss or dangerous enemy, or else costing an outrageous sum at a merchant, something in the 100+ gp range..

Also, even if somebody were to do the work, there is only a very small group of clientele who would want it. And then there'd be complaints like "oh no, that's TOO fat", or "not fat enough".

I think that innkeeper commoner's outfit is the only fat clothing/armor model that got made into the game. It may not even be possible to alter any of the other models. The modded armor I've seen is all just the standard armor models with color changes.

So anyway, thanks again, and you've done enough, really! Much more than I expected when I started this thread - I was just putting an idea out there - I didn't expect somebody to come up with an actual, playable head morph! Wow!

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 23 décembre 2010 - 05:21 .

[Phoenix_Jackson]

 Actually, if the look of that Innkeeper's not much of an issue, there's a work around for you.  But it takes about 3 MODs:

Total Stealing Skill

Universal Dye Kit

The Winter Forge

The first 2 are pretty easy to handle.  Not much needed with it.  It's TWF that's a little extensive.  But with it, you'll be able to take and transfer the ability or bonuses of almost every armor or gear you find in-game.  Abuse it, will make you feel cheap.  Use it the right way, will make you feel really good.  But it's got quite a huge learning curve.  But if you're interested, I could write an instruction regarding to that process.

How else did you think I got my "seemingly topless clothes"?

Modifié par Phoenix_Jackson, 23 décembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[187 Lifeless]

I don't think a fat character would make sense tho. I mean, your character is a Grey Warden warrior who spends all day fighting (good cardio, slaying darkspawn). It's not like he is a innkeeper. Then again...it is a fantasy game.

[Circaxx]

lol

[BelgarathMTH]

187 Lifeless wrote...

I don't think a fat character would make sense tho. I mean, your character is a Grey Warden warrior who spends all day fighting (good cardio, slaying darkspawn). It's not like he is a innkeeper. Then again...it is a fantasy game.

Doesn't apply to mages. Mages spend all day reading books and practicing spells. It's a very sedentary lifestyle most of the time.

The constant walking would make me tend to lose weight, but then, I have a VERY big appetite. Since Creation magic probably gives me the ability to create food, I don't imagine I would be under any lack of enough to eat.

[ejoslin]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

187 Lifeless wrote...

I don't think a fat character would make sense tho. I mean, your character is a Grey Warden warrior who spends all day fighting (good cardio, slaying darkspawn). It's not like he is a innkeeper. Then again...it is a fantasy game.

Doesn't apply to mages. Mages spend all day reading books and practicing spells. It's a very sedentary lifestyle most of the time.

The constant walking would make me tend to lose weight, but then, I have a VERY big appetite. Since Creation magic probably gives me the ability to create food, I don't imagine I would be under any lack of enough to eat.

Gray wardens have vastly increased metabolisms.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[BelgarathMTH]

@ejoslin: LOL

[ejoslin]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

@ejoslin: LOL

But they do!  Everything about them is sped up, so they have to eat much much more.  Alistair talks about diving into a plate of food, licking it clean, and the other gray wardens laughing at him.

edit; that said, I also found one body type per race quite limiting.  Hmmmm, I bet that would be a decent mod to make -- a fat model for all three races.  I, however, am too lazy to make that.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2010 - 05:38 .

[BelgarathMTH]

ejos - I betcha I could eat enough to get fat even with a Warden's sped up metabolism!

I know whatch mean about the body types. I've got a mod installed that makes hairy guys, but it makes ALL the guys hairy. I think you should be able to select different body types and characteristics for each character. I understand why the devs didn't do that - it would've taken too much time, and they were on a deadline.

Still, modders have done an excellent job expanding what was originally there.

I notice that dwarves' clothing and armor has the right body shape for an overweight human, so it seems like there ought to be a way to do a simple scale-up. But I will have to leave such things to people who have much more skill than I do.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 24 décembre 2010 - 06:55 .

[Nero161]

I think it's a mistake to impose stringent "real" standards on fantasy realms. As long as there is a somewhat plausible explanation and/or consistency throughout the world, that's fine. For instance, someone might say "every fat guy is limited by their weight except those with a special bloodline." Alternatively, you can make fat people not be limited by their weight to any significant degree. Just ignore the issue, essentially.



What I don't like is where a storyline makes every fat character out of shape and weak "except" for one and that exception has no explanation. This occurs all the time in fantasy in the form of "how come these X number of characters can fight 1000 people at never die?" That's part of the aesthetic of fantasy, in some cases, but I thing such things should be avoided. Sometimes I don't mind it. The 1000 people example is actually very common, though explanations for power differences are becoming more common.



The Warden is pretty well-off in my opinion. I can see him/her getting enough foot to maintain an obese state. I'd even like the dialog to consider appearance. I'd rather have the beauty of a character partially determined by appearance rather than stat points (as it is in many games). Let women face physical harassment and flirt their way into lower prices. Let unattractive people slip through crowds relatively unnoticed. The potential for adding depth in fantasy is quite high. So suggestions like this all "sound good." It's just a matter of what priorities they want to give to the poor game coders who have to implement such things.