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[bhaal123]

So I never finished BG1 and wanted to do a complete run through both games. I decided to go for a human dual class mage/cleric. My plan is to get 8 levels in mage before I start BG2 and than switch to cleric.

stats:
str 18, dex 18, con 16, int 15, wis,18, cha 3

Its been a long time ago since I played this game so I am a bit rusty on the rules etc. I have a couple of question and I am hoping I can get some good advice from the community

1.) I choose a non-specialist mage, would it be better if I choose a specialist mage for the extra spell slots?

2.) What would be a good level to switch to cleric?

3 a.) As a mage/cleric will I be able to cast spells like stoneskin and put on armor afterwards for the extra protection?

3 b.)  Will the mage levels be enough to offset the downside of not being able to wear armor and cast spells?

4.) Why wont minsc talkt to me in BG1? Is it because of my low charisma or is it a bug?


Any tips or help will be appreciated

/cheers

Modifié par bhaal123, 20 décembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[oyzar]

There is really no reason to not chose a specialist mage, conjurer is probably the best. Extra spellslots are golden.

2) Mage the is the class that get the most power from the higher levels. Everything else get less benefit. I do not know what level would be best to dual from mage to cleric as i have not really considered it, for a specialist mage probably right after you get the first spellslot of a new level.

3 a) sure, but then you can't cast mage spells afterwards. Mage/cleric is a rather weak fighter so might be just as well to keep it behind your other characters...

3 Mage is the most powerful character at mid to high levels. The longer you wait the better your character will be, the very high cleric levels actually do almost nothing as cleric is the class that benefit the least from extra hlas(after you got all the spells you gain basically nothing from leveling up further).

4) I haven't played BG1 much but as i understand it reactionrolls are somewhat random but with very low cha it can be hard to get people to join you...

Cleric -> mage dual seems better though i like the specialist mages better than the cleric kits and you can only chose a kit for your first class. Illusionist/cleric is probably the best multiclass. There are some nice necromancy spells (most notably adhw), but not that many and you can survive without them. If I was playing cleric mage through the whole series i would prolly go with a gnome illusionist/cleric. Sling is probably also the most used weapon of this class combination.

Modifié par oyzar, 20 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[bhaal123]

Thank you for the insights. I agree that a cleric/mage would be a better option and I may go for that. Not getting a specialist mage whas also a big flaw in my build because I would need those spell slots later on. Im only level 3 so starting over wouldnt be a big deal.



Still have some questions though.



1.) If my intelligence is 15 I can only cast spells up to lvl7 and only learn 11 spells. Is this correct?



2.) Can I unlearn spells in favor of new ones?

[oyzar]

1) You can learn up to level 9 with BG2 at least. Not sure what the limit of spells per level is. But it sounds about right. If it stopped at level 7 all the npc mages would be too crippled at least.



2) You can with tob installed i think, but not with just BG / BG2.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

I suggest the Priest of Lathander -> Mage. If you postpone the dualclassing until after you've got your first 5th level cleric spell (doesn't take too long), you should be able to advance into melee when it's needed (and you wouldn't need to put that many points into strength at character generation).

Of course, when dualclassing from casters, every single level in your first class matters and makes a notable difference in your power when your first class is reactivated.

[Sparky The Barbarian]

1. Yes, take a specialist.

2. As Oyzar says, start with cleric and dual to mage, though you may need to get your INT up to 17.

3. No armor. Mage's can't wear armor regardless of dual class or multi class.

4. Could be a reputation problem. Minsc is looking for heroes. What's your rep?

Otherwise it's probably a bug. Do you get the 'Minsc appears busy..." line? If so are you patched?

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Sure a dual- or multiclass mage can wear armor. There is not as much point to it as with other characters, though.

[bhaal123]

@Humanoid_Taifun

I dont have any mods installed and playing a pure version of BG1. So I dont have the option to have a class kit as in TuTu. So the priest of Lathander kit will not be possible. Perhaps I should install TuTu but I feel very reserved in doing this because I feel it may change the original game to much.



@Sparky The Barbarian

I can remember have the "character appears busy bug" in BG2. This whas easily solved with a patch. My reputation when talking to minsc in BG1 whas 11. When I browsed some forums I noticed more people had the same problem. It supposedly can get fixed by getting dynaheir in your party, than go to minsc, drop dynaheir from your party and than recruit here again. This should make minsc join the party as well.



Thanks for the info guys

[Humanoid_Taifun]

bhaal123 wrote...
@Humanoid_Taifun
I dont have any mods installed and playing a pure version of BG1. So I dont have the option to have a class kit as in TuTu. So the priest of Lathander kit will not be possible. Perhaps I should install TuTu but I feel very reserved in doing this because I feel it may change the original game to much.

I was thinking ahead. Even if you can't get a kit in BG1, you can get it retroactively when importing to BG2.

[Gate70]

Gnome cleric/illusionist, as mentioned by oyzar, would be my choice with 19 intelligence and using tomes of wisdom to compensate for 17 wisdom. The shorty saving throws are very useful too.



Dual-classing cleric and mage is crippling one class or the other especially if you're running through BG//SOA and possibly TOB. I do like to dual Xzar in BG1 though.

[Sparky The Barbarian]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Sure a dual- or multiclass mage can wear armor. There is not as much point to it as with other characters, though.

A dual class mage *can* wear armor (my bad) but he can *not* cast spells while wearing armor (except Elven Chain) which defeats the purpose of running a mage. 

[Sparky The Barbarian]

bhaal123 wrote...



2.) Can I unlearn spells in favor of new ones?

Yes, go yo your spell book, right click on a spell and select "Erase"

Works for a mage, not a Sorcerer. 

[Sparky The Barbarian]

Sorry for the double post, must be a lag in the board or my server. 

Modifié par Sparky The Barbarian, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[oyzar]

About a gnome, at what constitution levels does saves improve for a non-fighter? Do you get 1 extra save for going to 18 constitution for a non-fighter as well?

[igneous.sponge]

oyzar wrote...

About a gnome, at what constitution levels does saves improve for a non-fighter? Do you get 1 extra save for going to 18 constitution for a non-fighter as well?

The shorty save bonuses are documented here.

[silenceall]

Sparky The Barbarian wrote...

bhaal123 wrote...



2.) Can I unlearn spells in favor of new ones?

Yes, go yo your spell book, right click on a spell and select "Erase"

Works for a mage, not a Sorcerer. 

You can also temporarily raise your Int with potions to raise the limit on number of spells per level in your book as well as your liklihood of successfully scribing spells into your book.

[bhaal123]

Well I finished BG1 yesterday with the following 6 man party,

Minsc
Kivan
Branwen
Imoen
Dynaheir

I played an elf thief and probably go for a pure specllcaster in my second playthrough. The advantage of devoting yourself to one class is that you get to use your abilities sooner and I find that very enyoable. I also like that I could get 20 dex and 17 strength with tomes which made the trip through BG1 even more worth it.

Overall I whas impressed with the story, sarevok is definatly not a shallow villain. I now started BG2 and just escaped irenicus dungeon. I allready find BG2 a huge improvement in playability over BG1. No doubt im going to love this game even more. I finished it once but that whas like a decade ago.

Modifié par bhaal123, 28 décembre 2010 - 04:16 .