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[Nomarch]

Zjarcal wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
I hate to say it, but you're probably right. I will probably play through the game, enjoy it, and then play again with a different class and enjoy the difference having Bethany instead of Carver (or vice versa) brings.

Nevertheless, this is the DA forums and all the cool kids grouse about things. Just let me be irrationally discontent over a change for a bit longer. If nothing else, other forumites seem to enjoy having me in that position for once.

Heh, same here. This is the first DA2 related news that has actually made me upset.

Anyway, I could see myself in that position too. That the story element that forces this mechanic is pretty damn cool and thus I'll be okay with it.

I suppose the closest comparison one could find in Origins is not being able to be Queen/King unless you're a noble, which actually upset many people, but it was a very logical decision.

I'm just trying to picture WHY you can't have Bethany as a mage or Carver as a rogue/warrior. I can't come up with any scenarios really, so I'll just try to forget about this and let the game surprise me once it comes out.

My take is, its probably less about why you can't have one or the other, as making sure you DO have a mage in the party that's a member of the Hawke family.  We know the Templars in Kirkwall are pretty tyranical when it comes to their control of the Circle there, and the implications of there being an apostate in the family are probably a Big Deal when it comes to that aspect of the story.  The way this is set up, there is no scenario in which you won't be sucked into that conflict.  If you were a warrior, and saved Carver, it could potentially lessen the impact of what could be one of the major plots of the entire story.

[Bryy_Miller]

TeenZombie wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I find it a little amusing that some people are looking on this as a loss of choice, when it was never a choice to begin with. And it's not really comparable to Virmire-- that was a decision you had to make late in the game after you'd had the opportunity to get to know both of the characters involved.

Personally I think some people just need some time to let their preconception go and allow it to sink it a little. This is actually a very cool element in the story, in particular for those who value story above all else, and the fact that either one character or the other survives is ultimately irrelevant when it comes to your personal enjoyment of the game. You'll see.

But...I *know* that when I choose my class, I'm dooming one or the other sibling to getting smushed by an ogre.  I see how it's different from Virmire, but I still feel like not being able to save both is a loss.  But of course, I can't judge until I've played.

At least Mama Hawke will be safe...that's pretty refreshing.

I'm interested in seeing how much dialogue changes depending on who lives and who dies. 

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

I find it a little amusing that some people are looking on this as a loss of choice, when it was never a choice to begin with.

I think people may be looking at it this way because the initial (lack of) info and the released screenshots made it appear possible to have a playthrough as mage together with sister mage, or one with little warrior brother while being warrior as well, and the cross-combinations of these, too. I.e. there's some disappointment that such scenarios apparently aren't going to be possible.

I was hoping personally you could have a game with both of them survivng since it's rather rare setup for a game to have more than one sibling ... but that's another story altogether.

[Away]

Aww, I wanted a little pixelated brother to torture. I guess I'll have to live vicariously through those who do mage playthroughs until I finish my rogue. I actually like this, it gives the game hopefully great replay value.

[Anarya]

Poor Carver, getting hated on in this thread. I kind of wanted to take him along but i generally play melee classes. Perhaps it's because I only have a sister in real life, or maybe I'm curious to see what he's actually like, or I have a soft spot for underdogs.

[Saibh]

I guess I'll be a mage first so I'll take Carver. I have enough sisters--brothers are bit less played out.

[Apollo Starflare]

Thinking about it (and considering my first playthrough would have had me ending up with the sibling I currently prefer anyway) this is really the first thing I've really wished I had remained unspoiled about. Would have been a great surprise come my second or third playthrough to have that switch up on me.



Of course remaining unspoiled for potentially two playthroughs would have been tricky, but eh.

[themageguy]

well depending what specs are available for warrior will determine what i'll be when i want bethany to be part of my group. heres hoping spirit warrior. Lol.

Carver better pull his weight though. My mage might just accidently flame him. Lol.

[HighMoon]

I'll be playing a mage. Guess I may as well delete my "Apostate sisters" group.



Welcome to my team Carver. I hope we'll get along. R.I.P Bethany. I'm going to miss you.

[Zjarcal]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Guess I may as well delete my "Apostate sisters" group.

:crying:

I was never even a part of that group but just hearing that makes me sad all over again. 

[Sharn01]

The loss of a sibling companion based on class bothers me a bit since companion interaction is a big draw to Bioware games and it limits player choice.  Some people may never get to interact with Carver or Bethany depending on their preferred playstyle without checking for spoilers online.

That being said I dont think it will bother me too much if its something that happens completely out of the players control in game, I dont want Hawke picking a survivor without my input.

[Maria Caliban]

Anarya wrote...

Poor Carver, getting hated on in this thread. I kind of wanted to take him along but i generally play melee classes. Perhaps it's because I only have a sister in real life, or maybe I'm curious to see what he's actually like, or I have a soft spot for underdogs.

I'm an only child. As long as my younger sibling is sufficiently adoring and obedient, and mom loves me best, I don't care if they're Bethany or Carver.

That said, I've read as much 'it's a pity I won't have Carver' as 'it's a pity I won't have Bethany.'

[Xewaka]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Poor Carver, getting hated on in this thread. I kind of wanted to take him along but i generally play melee classes. Perhaps it's because I only have a sister in real life, or maybe I'm curious to see what he's actually like, or I have a soft spot for underdogs.

I'm an only child. As long as my younger sibling is sufficiently adoring and obedient, and mom loves me best, I don't care if they're Bethany or Carver.

That said, I've read as much 'it's a pity I won't have Carver' as 'it's a pity I won't have Bethany.'

It's a pity we can't sack Aveline and have both. I mean, I'd have a different death on each class!

[Lady of the Waters]

Okay, now that the Bethany/Carver bombshell has been revealed, the question needs to be asked...

We already know that there is a possibility of Wesley dying, but can he also live? Is there also a chance that Aveline and mom can die during the escape from Lothering? Or will they make it out in one piece? (Please let them both be safe! I couldn't bear losing my mother as well)

Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 21 décembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[Sharn01]

I forsee my mage Lady Hawke being portrayed as bitter and angry for much of the first time sequence of the game, assuming that the dialog options allow it.

[Atakuma]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Okay, now that the Bethany/Carver bombshell has been revealed, the question needs to be asked...

We already know that there is a possibility of Wesley dying, but can he also live? Is there also a chance that Aveline and mom can die during the escape from Lothering? Or will they make it out in one piece? (Please let them both be safe! I couldn't bear losing my mother as well).

I believe having aveline join you is optional, but wesley dies regardless.

Modifié par Atakuma, 21 décembre 2010 - 12:53 .

[Loup Blanc]

The different previews reassure me as far as gameplay is concerned. However, I still can't get into the new, simpler graphics and there hasn't been one announced party member that has raised my interest. I still think The Witcher 2 will be the superior experience next year. Prove me wrong, Bioware.

[Bryy_Miller]

Xewaka wrote...
 I mean, I'd have a different death on each class!

True, that is a bit disheartening.

[Ziggeh]

Atakuma wrote...

I believe having aveline join you is optional, but wesley dies regardless.

Given she's the only "tank" thusfar, couldn't that prove problematic?

[Ryzaki]

Chagrinned Goat wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Gah. I wanted Carver but I rarely play mages.

This. I only played one mage in DA:O, and that was for the achievements.

This just seems like a horrible way to implement the decision, keeping in mind that  I don't know what further consequences are going to arise from it. As Maria has said, I just don't like knowing now that my choice of class isn't going to be just what I want to play, but which will have the outcome I want.

I'm also aware that part of the reason I dislike this is because I was planning on saving Carver on most playthroughs. I'm partially annoyed that it will in fact be Bethany that I'm dragging along for all but one or two games.

Indeed.

Gah. I was planing on saving my little bro.

Please let their be a toolset so this can be changed. Please.

[themageguy]

then again it may be a good thing mages dont get beth. Hate for my little sis' fireballs to be bigger than mine.

[Atakuma]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I believe having aveline join you is optional, but wesley dies regardless.

Given she's the only "tank" thusfar, couldn't that prove problematic?

I sort of remember hearing from somewhere that you had the choice wether or not they joined you, but I might be mistaken.

Modifié par Atakuma, 21 décembre 2010 - 01:00 .

[TheCreeper]

Well I suppose it would be silly to have either two mages or no mages at the start

[Ryzaki]

Depending on how they balanced the game not really. I tend to not have mages in my party if its optional (unless I'm doing my mage playthrough). They're actually really boring to play.To me anyways which is why this whole "forced by class" choice is meh.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 décembre 2010 - 01:03 .