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[Count Viceroy]

Sajuro wrote...

If that is the case, that does have a lot to do with one's emotional health, that craving of attention generaly an aspect of being emotionally unhealthy.

According to whom? Some people just like attention more than others. It can be caused by emotional problems sure, but it's definatly not the sole or major cause.

Regardless this is going way offtopic, as interesting as it is.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Maugrim]

The whole gay/straight debate summed up in less than 15 seconds.

Personally I believe Tali, like Miranda/Thane/Garrus and Liara, is Shepard-sexual and it's down right idiotic not to have them open to romance SameSexShep (SSS) eventually.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:21 .

[Nyaa001]

makenzieshepard wrote...

The whole gay/straight debate summed up in less than 15 seconds.

Personally I believe Tali, like Miranda is Shepard-sexual and it's down right idiotic not to have them open to romance FemShep eventually.

d >.< b YEAH !!!!!!!

[jlb524]

Count Viceroy wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Oh yes, and straight people never do anything to get attention nor do they crave it

Don't take everything personally, I wasn't pointing fingers, I meant people in general, hence the "whatever" bit of it. I just happened to mention the others first since that was main (sub) topic being discussed.

Then, what does that even have to do with the topic?

[The Illusiv Man]

I don't think it would work in ME3 because they would have to make some small (but annoying changes).



I also agree with whoever said; "Some people are just straight, deal with it". I agree with that as well. In a sum up, i say, too bad and deal with it.

[Count Viceroy]

jlb524 wrote...


Then, what does that even have to do with the topic?

Depending on how you look at it, nothing or a lot. I was interjecting at the suggestion that physical/emotional health would be the cause for attention seeking behaviour.  That line of argument was already striving way offtopic, I merely added to it. It was you who linked it together with the ******/bi discussion by taking my comment as an insult?

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[Jagged Orchid]

The Illusiv Man wrote...

I don't think it would work in ME3 because they would have to make some small (but annoying changes).

I also agree with whoever said; "Some people are just straight, deal with it". I agree with that as well. In a sum up, i say, too bad and deal with it.

What changes would they have to make? Tali already shows interest in FemShep during their conversations in ME2, it just never leads to a romance.

[The Illusiv Man]

Valagil wrote...

The Illusiv Man wrote...

I don't think it would work in ME3 because they would have to make some small (but annoying changes).

I also agree with whoever said; "Some people are just straight, deal with it". I agree with that as well. In a sum up, i say, too bad and deal with it.

What changes would they have to make? Tali already shows interest in FemShep during their conversations in ME2, it just never leads to a romance.

In-Game changes. Like the dialogue things you're talking about. The AI was made to interact with both genders of Shepard the same way anyway. But BioWare would also have to make some huge announcement and they probably figured that since they already have a bi character, they don't really need another one.

[jlb524]

The Illusiv Man wrote...

In-Game changes. Like the dialogue things you're talking about. The AI was made to interact with both genders of Shepard the same way anyway. But BioWare would also have to make some huge announcement and they probably figured that since they already have a bi character, they don't really need another one.

They didn't have to make a huge announcement when they retconned Tali into liking humans in ME2.

I also wasn't aware there needs to be a limit on bi characters in a gaming series.

[The Illusiv Man]

jlb524 wrote...

The Illusiv Man wrote...

In-Game changes. Like the dialogue things you're talking about. The AI was made to interact with both genders of Shepard the same way anyway. But BioWare would also have to make some huge announcement and they probably figured that since they already have a bi character, they don't really need another one.

They didn't have to make a huge announcement when they retconned Tali into liking humans in ME2.

I also wasn't aware there needs to be a limit on bi characters in a gaming series.

That's because they planned it out. How they're planning ME3 out. It worked over the span of the game, it wasn't a sudden jump.

Also, everyone on this forum wants everyone to be gay or bi. Why? Some people aren't. Oh well. BW also seems to think that having an entire bi species is enough. There's your limit.

[jlb524]

The Illusiv Man wrote...

That's because they planned it out. How they're planning ME3 out. It worked over the span of the game, it wasn't a sudden jump.

How do you know they planned it?  How do you know they aren't also planning bisexual Tali for ME3?

The Illusiv Man wrote...
Also, everyone on this forum wants everyone to be gay or bi. Why? Some people aren't. Oh well. BW also seems to think that having an entire bi species is enough. There's your limit.

Well, everyone also wants everyone to be an m/f LI (see Kasumi or the sniper dude in the trailer...see Garrus/Tali pre-ME2 release).  Perhaps Shepard just isn't their type, oh well.

Modifié par jlb524, 22 décembre 2010 - 01:54 .

[The Illusiv Man]

jlb524 wrote...

The Illusiv Man wrote...

How do you know they planned it?  How do you know they aren't also planning bisexual Tali for ME3?

Well, everyone also wants everyone to be an m/f LI (see Kasumi or the sniper dude in the trailer...see Garrus/Tali pre-ME2 release).  Perhaps Shepard just isn't their type, oh well.

I know they planned it all out (or you could say I drew a conclusion) from what I've seen because they'd have an option for her in ME2. To flow through the games.

As for the second part, I honestly don't think BW wants a bi Tali. Maybe Tali does "swing that way". The chances to me seem very low for making Tali bi. They already went VERY in-depth with Liara, and by the looks of it, they want to keep it as just Liara...maybe. \\O.o/

[HolyJellyfish]

Considering all the anger, frustration, limited point of views, and BS double standard arguments coming from the Talimancers who don't want her to be Lesbian...



I hope Tali catches a horrible infection in ME3 because you had a romantic option with her and has a tragic passing away. I hope she goes away, because you know what? That would be Canon.



If Tali is totally straight and you want to be possessive and weird about it, claiming that is realistic and the way things are, then lets go all the way. Let us be super realistic about Tali.



Let's give her an infection and have her die, since you are incapable of suspending your disbelief or allowing the lady Shepards of the game enjoy her as an LI status because 'SHe's not Lesbian!' or 'ME won't ever do it!' or 'Mine mine mine mine mine!'



Yeah? She's also Quarian. Her sexual contact with Male!Shep will kill her. And then Fem!Sheps who weren't able to romance her will have the last laugh. Enjoy your drinks.

[jlb524]

The Illusiv Man wrote...



I know they planned it all out (or you could say I drew a conclusion) from what I've seen because they'd have an option for her in ME2. To flow through the games.

You can't jump to that conclusion. Also, that would say that if she's available as f/f in ME3 they planned it all along. If they had always planned her since ME1, don't you think they could have added a few hints or light flirting in ME1?

The Illusiv Man wrote...



As for the second part, I honestly don't think BW wants a bi Tali. Maybe Tali does "swing that way". The chances to me seem very low for making Tali bi. They already went VERY in-depth with Liara, and by the looks of it, they want to keep it as just Liara...maybe. \\\\O.o/

Or, maybe not. We don't know, really. Also, going in-depth with Liara doesn't preclude more m/f romances, now does it?

[jlb524]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Considering all the anger, frustration, limited point of views, and BS double standard arguments coming from the Talimancers who don't want her to be Lesbian...

*snip*

To summarize opinions:

M/F fanservice = good!
F/F fanservice = bad!
M/M fanservice = evil!!!!!!!!!!

[HolyJellyfish]

Also, Mass Effect is a FREAKING RPG.

You are SUPPOSE to suspend your sense of disbelieve. What you make your world out to be is going to be completely unique to mine.



So STOP dictating what can or can't be available to other people, just because they want a piece of what you already have.



Just because Tali is straight in YOUR RPG world, doesn't mean she has to be in THEIRS. There is no such thing as freaking canon. You can play good or evil, change characters opinions, alter their adventures, kill them for crying out loud. So STOP saying she can't be this or that when it doesn't effect your world, it only effects theirs. That to me sounds like a lot of privileged whining. If you don't like the idea, then its awesome the only Shep you play is Male and you can happily avoid it.

[didymos1120]

rynluna wrote...

Why does it bother people so much that Tali can be into females in another player's game?

99% of the time, two things:

1.  They don't want any of TEH GHEY in "their" Mass Effect games.  This one is also why people will go through some amusing and amazing logical contortions in order to "prove" that "It's not gay if it's with an asari!"

2. They're scarily over-protective of "their" imaginary digital soulmate.  They've decided that Tali somehow "belongs" to them, and they want to dictate what is and is not allowed for the character. It's not unlike people who get pissed when their favorite band acquires new fans.  Or, for another ME-related example, when a different plastic box for game playing, made by a different giant international corporation, dares to have ME2 ported to it.

FanDumb, basically.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:23 .

[didymos1120]

The Illusiv Man wrote...
That's because they planned it out.

Um, no they didn't plan it out.  The huge demand for Tali as a LI after ME1 was released came as a complete surprise to them.  The reality is that, due to fan demand, they threw it in. Then they even went to the trouble of recording a lot of the dialogue required for her to also be a FemShep LI.   I.e., rather than planning all along for Tali to be "Heteros ONLY!",  the actual evidence says they changed their minds partway into development.

ETA: BTW , same basic deal with Garrus (bolding mine):

And one of the big ones was Garrus, people just loved Garrus and there was a lo[t] of interest in having a romance with Garrus. So we thought, "Let's try this in Mass Effect 2." If people want to have a romance with this bird-like guy with an exoskeleton, then okay.

That's one of those things that was a surprise was just how popular that romance was in Mass Effect 2. In the fan art -- other than Tali and wondering what she has under her mask -- the romance with Garrus is probably the most reproduced moment. I think it says a lot about what really resonated with people.

The only difference is, they really didn't start out intending to make him a same-sex LI, and thus didn't record any of the dialogue for that option.

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:35 .

[RhiGibson]

 Sexuality is a lie 
You should fall in love with someone's personality, not their gender ...
Thus in my opinion ... Tali wants FemShep :innocent:

[HolyJellyfish]

[quote]didymos1120 wrote...

[quote]rynluna wrote...

Why does it bother people so much that Tali can be into females in another player's game? [/quote]

99% of the time, two things:

1.  They don't want any of TEH GHEY in "their" Mass Effect games.  This one is also why people will go through some amusing and amazing logical contortions in order to "prove" that "It's not gay if it's with an asari!"
[/quote]
Freaking weird as ballz to me. Asari are BASED ON HUMAN FEMALE MODELS who are attractied to /both/ sexes. They have breasts. BREASTS. How can you tell me they aren't bisexual if they are physically attracted to BOTH sexes of ANY given species, monogendered or not? Isn't that what it means to be bi?

[quote]

2. They're scarily over-protective of "their" imaginary digital soulmate.  They've decided that Tali somehow "belongs" to them, and they want to dictate what is and is not allowed for the character. It's not unlike people who get pissed when their favorite band acquires new fans.  Or, for another ME-related example, when a different plastic box for game playing, made by a different giant international corporation, dares to have ME2 ported to it.

FanDumb, basically.
[/quote]

Which is just weird to me. That kind of possessiveness is priveledged double standard bull crap.

I don't hear anyone jumping down the throats of people who post straight, hetereo LI interest support threads. Its always M/M F/F stuff. Maybe you should step away, take a good long look at yourself, and stop trying to dictate how people want to play their game.

[/quote]

[Sajuro]

RhiGibson wrote...

 Sexuality is a lie 
You should fall in love with someone's personality, not their gender ...
Thus in my opinion ... Tali wants FemShep :innocent:

high five!

[jlb524]

didymos1120 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Why does it bother people so much that Tali can be into females in another player's game?

99% of the time, two things:

1.  They don't want any of TEH GHEY in "their" Mass Effect games.  This one is also why people will go through some amusing and amazing logical contortions in order to "prove" that "It's not gay if it's with an asari!"

2. They're scarily over-protective of "their" imaginary digital soulmate.  They've decided that Tali somehow "belongs" to them, and they want to dictate what is and is not allowed for the character. It's not unlike people who get pissed when their favorite band acquires new fans.  Or, for another ME-related example, when a different plastic box for game playing, made by a different giant international corporation, dares to have ME2 ported to it.

FanDumb, basically.

This.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I don't hear anyone jumping down the throats of people who post straight, hetereo LI interest support
threads. Its always M/M F/F stuff. Maybe you should step away, take a good long look at yourself, and stop trying to dictate how people want to play their game.

And this.  No one jumps on the 'I want Kasumi for my ManShep!!!!!' threads or the, 'Big Ben Sniper dude for my FemShep' ones.

I don't know if BW will make Tali an f/f LI, just as I don't know if Kasumi will ever be an m/f LI, but people need to learn to respect others desires when they ask for it...the respect here is a one way street.

Modifié par jlb524, 22 décembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[jlb524]

RhiGibson wrote...

 Sexuality is a lie 
You should fall in love with someone's personality, not their gender ...
Thus in my opinion ... Tali wants FemShep :innocent:

While I don't agree with this IRL, I don't see a problem with making some characters open to both in a fantasy game so people have more options when playing.

Games are an escape from reality and it's fun to have more RP options, especially with romances.  Adding more bi options doesn't hurt anyone.  It's not the same as forcing you to be one sexuality or another.

[Destroy Raiden_]

If people are so upset of not having games that have f/f and m/m pairings why don't you guys take game classes and make them yourself. I'm not saying this to be a mean **** I'm saying if you don't like it make the game you want and see if it sells. Obviously there is a market out there it just ain't here I think BW has pushed that envelope all they're willing to do with the f/f that already exists. Look at it this way they took those bi sections out for a reason, what that is only they know you can either bombard the dev department for answers, try to beat the m//f crowd to death to want what you do or you can enjoy the game for what it is and how BW has composed it.

[Nashiktal]

jlb524 wrote...


They didn't have to make a huge announcement when they retconned Tali into liking humans in ME2.

I also wasn't aware there needs to be a limit on bi characters in a gaming series.

Actually Tali was supposed to be a love interest in ME1, but they retconned it because they figured no one would want to romance a girl with duck feet.

shows what they know eh?