iOnlySignIn wrote...
Come to think of it, Liara fighting against Shepard of any class won't be hard at all. All Liara needs to do is get all cooldown/duration upgrades and whip out Enhanced Stasis, punch Shepard's head relentlessly as he/she try to get up, repeat until the Commander regains her/his senses.
Doesn't matter if you thought it was crap, it's still canon like the star wars prequels.Zulu_DFA wrote...
The Reapers don't need implants to indoctrinate you. They use them only to bolster the effect and/or allow themselves to "assume direct control".iOnlySignIn wrote...
Indeed. A Reaper-controlled Hack-shep may allow Shepard to sit down with the Reapers in a friendly atomsphere, and explore their bizzarre and terrifying culture from a closer standpoint. "Afternoon tea with Harbinger", hmmmm.Zulu_DFA wrote...
One reason only:
To reveal the whole truth about the Reapers (origins, motives, goals) to the player.
(And "Overlord" was crap, and hacking Shepard's implants should be impossible, since they aren't meant for outside imput).
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SSV Enterprise wrote...
4. Bringing Shepard back with cybernetics is (slightly) more plausible than simply "growing" him back with biotech. Alien races aren't known to have that kind of tech anyways. As for a "dark biotic ritual" -- wtf are you smoking? Biotics aren't magic, they don't work like that.
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REBELUS MAXIMUS wrote...
me3 vid
random guy says "if shep gets here in time"
Shep walks away on some unknown ship which could be harbinger or not lol
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Destroy Raiden wrote...
Reading Op post I just thought of something what if it was a deliberate calculated risk by TIM to beat the reapers at their own game? He’s banking on shep being stronger then a reaper. They put both reaper tech and advanced human tech into him to bring him back what if that was no accident. I don’t know about Grayson much but I do know Tim had a role in either making him into a reaper himself or handing him over to the reapers to be made into one so….if TIM kept tabs on the grayson project then he learned much and if this happened before shep died then that’s not a coincidence that he turned around and used what he learned form grayson and put it into shep. The idea being let the reapers hack shep he will destroy them from the inside out.
iOnlySignIn wrote...
These alternatives are outlandish, yes. However even you have conceded that bringing Shepard back with cybernetics is only "slightly" more plausible. In the end which solution feels more plausible depends on which one BioWare chooses as canon. I've read fanfics where Shepard died and was brought back to life with biotics; and in BioWare's KOTOR the protagonist was dead and brought back to life with The Force (we all know that Biotics = The Force).
If we are looking for scientific accruacy, there is absolutely no way that Shepard can be brought back to life with memory intact, unless with some kind of magic. Memories are stored as chemical signals and synaptic links between neurons in the brain - dependent on a few cells and a few molecules and their specific arrangements. There is no way that those can be recovered after being destroyed by vacuum, absolute zero temperatures, and atomspheric reentry.
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SSV Enterprise wrote...
But using biotics is a whole other issue. It's not just implausible, it goes against all of the "lore" that has been put into biotics. Biotics have been set up as a scientific principle. Eezo nodules in a biotic's body are used to produce mass effect fields that follow the same rules as mass effect fields produced via other methods. There is nothing mystical or supernatural about them. The way you worded your suggestion, "dark biotic ritual", drips of mysticism and magic. Biotics have nothing to do with that.
And no, biotics=/=the Force. They are similar in the superficial sense that both are used to "push", but that's about it. Is there a biotic energy field across the whole galaxy that gives biotics there power? No. Can biotics tap into their power to give themselves supernatural perception of the universe surrounding them? No. Can dead biotics use their power to come back as ghosts? No.
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Inverness Moon wrote...
I'd just like to point out that hacking as it is portrayed in Mass Effect, especially the AI Hacking skill, is all baloney. That would be quite impossible in real life.
Inverness Moon wrote...
If anything, Shepard's cybernetics should protect him from normal indoctrination methods since he is not fully organic anymore.
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If Shepard's cybernetics are significant to the plot, then I think it would be more interesting if he indoctrinated and/or possessed the reapers instead. You would be put in an interesting position if you somehow convinced them to see the error of their ways and surrender.
Inverness Moon wrote...
Edit: Dark energy is not some mystic energy field that binds all like together and some other nonsense.
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iOnlySignIn wrote...
I agree that as the lore currently goes, biotics have not much mystical element in it and the lore is very clear about that. However, my alternative proposals would have been considered by BioWare BEFORE the development of ME2 (if they were ever considered), not now. At that stage (when ME1 is just finished) BioWare could have easily extended the range and variety of biotic powers, but they mostly chose not to due to gameplay balance reasons (biotics was overpowered in ME1).
Compare that with Star Wars. When The New Hope was first released, Force powers were not so strong/varied. There was no Force Lightning. There were no midichlorians. Any lore in any sci-fi universe is built up gradually. I was merely proposing alternative ways the lore could have been built up, and using the fact that BioWare chose one way over the others as a proof of my theory about the general plot.
Finally, biotics still have a small, but visible mystical element in them. If it is purely the manipulation of mass effect fields, which only causes mechanical effects, then how does Morinth Dominate another organic being? IMHO Dominate/Mind Control is not so far from bringing the dead back to life. Also, biotics/mass effect fields manipulate on Dark Energy, which is precisely an "energy field across the whole galaxy", like The Force in the Star Wars universe. ME2 has made several blatant references to Dark Energy as well (Haestrom's sun). Granted it is less mystical and more scientific, but it is still somewhat mystical to me.
SSV Enterprise wrote...
And no, biotics=/=the Force. They are similar in the superficial sense that both are used to "push", but that's about it. Is there a biotic energy field across the whole galaxy that gives biotics there power? No. Can biotics tap into their power to give themselves supernatural perception of the universe surrounding them? No. Can dead biotics use their power to come back as ghosts?No. maybe
Pwner1323 wrote...
SSV Enterprise wrote...
And no, biotics=/=the Force. They are similar in the superficial sense that both are used to "push", but that's about it. Is there a biotic energy field across the whole galaxy that gives biotics there power? No. Can biotics tap into their power to give themselves supernatural perception of the universe surrounding them? No. Can dead biotics use their power to come back as ghosts?No. maybe
You never know.......
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Yes indeed. Let someone else save Shep instead of Shep saving everyone he/she comes across as usual.desonnac00 wrote...
It's also a good opportunity to explore alien culture and day to day life- what if we played as a turian, asari, krogan, quarian, drell or whatever to save shep? Or to kill him?
A lot of places to go from "You can play as someone other than Shepard"
Cerberus are known for putting reaper tech everywhere despite the obvious risks.annihilator27 wrote...
Ive always wondered it the Lazarus project involved reaper parts/tech.
That is one of the few examples of a sensible way of hacking.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Have you seen a virus/trojan/malware infecting a laptop from a wifi network? Shepard asked EDI "Electronic warfare means things like viruses, right?" And EDI specifically answered that her electronic warfare systems function by hacking/infecting a nearby enemy ship's "wireless network".
Of course.iOnlySignIn wrote...
Interesting scenario, but not very likely.
It seems my spelling error made you miss the obvious reference to the Force in Star Wars.iOnlySignIn wrote...
On the contrary, Dark Energy is indeed what physicists think that binds the universe together (or rather, what tears the universe apart). It consists of three quarters of the total mass-energy of the universe, permeates all space (including vacuum), and is responsible for the accelerated expansion of the universe. In fact, the whole concept of Dark Energy was proposed as a hypothesis because the accelerated expansion cannot be explained by merely considering observable matter/energy, or even Dark Matter. Sounds quite mystical to anyone except a physicist if you ask me.
They've only known about the reapers for 2 years, what the hell are you talking about? And where exactly is "everywhere" and how exactly are the risks "obvious"?lovgreno wrote...
Cerberus are known for putting reaper tech everywhere despite the obvious risks.annihilator27 wrote...
Ive always wondered it the Lazarus project involved reaper parts/tech.
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