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Reapers will Indoctrinate/Possess/Control Shepard in ME3 - Here's Why


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The thing is, Saren gave the Reapers full access to upgrade him, and yet they didn't have control until he died. This after he had been not only upgraded beyond Shepards state by an actual reaper, but also indoctrinated for a long period of time.



I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm saying I hope to God it doesn't. It would mean that Shep is a mighty bit weaker than Saren was, and that just doesn't ring well for me.

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I don't think the Reapers can remote control Shep, also shouldn't have happened in 'Overlord'.

At least they should have to capture Shep first and indoctrinate him/her in some lab or something.

Otherwise you'd indeed have to wonder why they didn't do it earlier.

I mean if they can control people like that, from range or whatever, why do they even need to fight? They could just come jumping in from darkspace and 'Zap!' control everyone.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:44 .


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I think they'll kidnap someone close to Shepard and indoctrinate them, not Shepard. Probaly, the one you left behind on Virmie, they got kidnap and taken away by geths just in time to only be totured and indocrinated for the last few years. And they'll be like Saren and you'll have to kill them.



Though, saying that, I imagine the implants would make it easier for him/her to control a reaper or to become a reaper. Shepard will find a way to keep his/her will intact and kick reapers ass as a reaper. I personally support having at least one ending where Shepard does become a reaper.

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I can see Paragon Shepard resisting and Renegade Shepard failing initially but later trying to use the Reaper Tech against them than failing again.

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FREEGUNNER wrote...

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One reason only:

To reveal the whole truth about the Reapers (origins, motives, goals) to the player.

Indeed. A Reaper-controlled Hack-shep may allow Shepard to sit down with the Reapers in a friendly atomsphere, and explore their bizzarre and terrifying culture from a closer standpoint. "Afternoon tea with Harbinger", hmmmm.

The Reapers don't need implants to indoctrinate you. They use them only to bolster the effect and/or allow themselves to "assume direct control".

(And "Overlord" was crap, and hacking Shepard's implants should be impossible, since they aren't meant for outside imput).

Doesn't matter if you thought it was crap, it's still canon like the star wars prequels.


Let's see.

It's not a "bridging DLC". Contains no squadmate (no cameo in ME3). Contains no "big choice" (will result in an inconsequential e-mail from either David or Dr. Archer, or a 10-seconds news blurb).

So no, thak you, it's not a part of my canon. Sure, Project Overlord happened somewhere, but without all the plot holes and bringing that bastard of a vehicle called the Hammerhead to the universe.

Enjoy your canon and the SW prequels.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 décembre 2010 - 04:50 .


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Googlesaurus wrote...

If Shepard is indoctrinated in ME3, who are we going to play?


Joker FTW

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They may have that happen once in ME3, but anything more than that, and for anything more than an intense cinematic moment would be both cheesy as hell and ridiculous as far as story and gameplay. Lore aside, considering the game and story design ramifications I don't foresee this happening more than once. If at all.

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Doubt this will actually happen because to be indoctrinated these would have to be reaper cybernetics like the stuff used on Grayson in Retribution.

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This could make for an interesting mission or two if Shepard does get indoctrinated. A solo mission without squadmates that ends with them finally showing up/catching up. Then your squadmates could have some sort of "What the hell?" Dialouge and Shepard shakes his. Turns out you were indoctrinated that mission and all the enemies you killed were actually an allied platoon. Imagine the ramifications from the turian councilor.

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Possessedkitten wrote...

Doubt this will actually happen because to be indoctrinated these would have to be reaper cybernetics like the stuff used on Grayson in Retribution.


Well, in a certain sense all technologies in our galaxy are Reaper technologies, since we developed according to the Reapers' plan. Reapers can also permanently hack the True Geth, which are Quarian creations. Who's to say they can't hack some human made cybernetics?

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BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

They may have that happen once in ME3, but anything more than that, and for anything more than an intense cinematic moment would be both cheesy as hell and ridiculous as far as story and gameplay. Lore aside, considering the game and story design ramifications I don't foresee this happening more than once. If at all.


Agreed. It should definitely not be done more than once - it would be ridiculous. However, doing it once could really provide a tragic dramatical twist. People in this thread had come up with various different theatrical versions of it. I hope BioWare will come up with one too.

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Blackbelt749 wrote...

This could make for an interesting mission or two if Shepard does get indoctrinated. A solo mission without squadmates that ends with them finally showing up/catching up. Then your squadmates could have some sort of "What the hell?" Dialouge and Shepard shakes his. Turns out you were indoctrinated that mission and all the enemies you killed were actually an allied platoon. Imagine the ramifications from the turian councilor.


Damn I just hope the councilor was in that platoon...

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Shep was never once controlled by David. David just "jacked" him into the "matrix" but Shep was in control of his actions the entire time. Don't know where this idea is coming from.

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TheJiveDJ wrote...

Shep was never once controlled by David. David just "jacked" him into the "matrix" but Shep was in control of his actions the entire time. Don't know where this idea is coming from.


1. When David first jacked him in, Shep stumbled clumsily like a blind person. This implies that Shep is not in total self-control.

2. Shep saw visions and hear voices that David wants him/her to see and hear. So if David does not control Shep directly, he certainly controls Shep's senses. And he could have easily filled Shep with illusions and made Shep do things against her/his own will. For example, David could have made Shep's squadmates appear like Geth to Shep and forced Shep to kill them. David did not do these because his purposes are benigh, but it seems to me that he's quite capable.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 24 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .


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dude he didnt get taken over in overlord...the VI virus took over his suit which was mechnical...not through his implants in his body

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jedishephard wrote...

dude he didnt get taken over in overlord...the VI virus took over his suit which was mechnical...not through his implants in his body


From Mass Effect wiki: "The virus does something to Shepard’s Omni-tool and cybernetic implants."
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Overlord:_Atlas_Station

In game you can see Shepard's Omni-tool spout green flames and Shepard's eyes glow with the same eerie green (same manner as Renegade red eye glow, only different in color).

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SHEPARD IS A REAPER AND THE BRITISH SNIPER SHOOTS HIM THEN THEY BLOW UP REAPERS. Deal with it.

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Reading Op post I just thought of something what if it was a deliberate calculated risk by TIM to beat the reapers at their own game? He’s banking on shep being stronger then a reaper. They put both reaper tech and advanced human tech into him to bring him back what if that was no accident. I don’t know about Grayson much but I do know Tim had a role in either making him into a reaper himself or handing him over to the reapers to be made into one so….if TIM kept tabs on the grayson project then he learned much and if this happened before shep died then that’s not a coincidence that he turned around and used what he learned form grayson and put it into shep. The idea being let the reapers hack shep he will destroy them from the inside out.

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Basically, what happened in Retribution  was TIM ordering experiements on Grayson by injecting him with some Reaper substance. The Reapers then proceeded to completely take over Grayson's body, turning into a de facto Reaper, a human avatar for the Reaper machines. And I don't mean just take over his mind. I mean legitimately take over his body by turnng him into some sort of cyborg. Grayson was incredibly powerul in this form, fighting off some 15 assasins sent to kill him by Aria via her deal with TIM.

BTW, the events of Retribution take place after ME2. So Shep had already been brought back, fought off the Collectors, and told TIM to shove it. I thinkTIM obtained the Reaper tech by Shepherd's missions in ME2, thus leading to TIM's experiements in Retribution to better understand the tech.

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This better not happen.

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Winterfly wrote...

This better not happen.

why not? It could make for a good story. If not Shep than someone he cares for.

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To bad it was cut