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[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Ok, I see what you're saying there. As a consumer I'm not the type of person to buy a game second hand even though my son does this.

[Maria Caliban]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I never paid for Shale.  I had a code for her and it came with my CE of DAO.  Acutally, she came with two of our editions.  The pc version and the PS3 CE version, along with the Blood Dragon Armor set.  Then I got a promotional item (a dagger) when I registered my game. 

As the others have mentioned, you 'paid' for Shale when you got a new copy instead of buying it used. Shale was, inadvertently, the beginning of something called Project 10 Dollar.

You see, when a game is bought used, the publisher gets no money for it. Therefore, all EA Games now come with day-one DLC that is free for new copies but costs $10 if you buy it used. (Shale was $15, but Shale is special) It's a great way to incentivize new sales or recoup from used ones in theory.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Thanks for the explanation Maria.

[Xewaka]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
I never paid for Shale.  I had a code for her and it came with my CE of DAO.  Acutally, she came with two of our editions.  The pc version and the PS3 CE version, along with the Blood Dragon Armor set.  Then I got a promotional item (a dagger) when I registered my game. 

As the others have mentioned, you 'paid' for Shale when you got a new copy instead of buying it used. Shale was, inadvertently, the beginning of something called Project 10 Dollar.
You see, when a game is bought used, the publisher gets no money for it. Therefore, all EA Games now come with day-one DLC that is free for new copies but costs $10 if you buy it used. (Shale was $15, but Shale is special) It's a great way to incentivize new sales or recoup from used ones in theory.

The fact that somebody buys an used game shows that the game was already bought once and has generated its revenue. People who buy used do so probably because they can't afford or aren't willing to pay for the full, mint product at original retail value. Yet they get to taste the product and if they find it appealing, they'll be willing try more from the same source, probably even buying original next time.
I don't see the situation as "buy used and be penalized or buy original and be rewarded", but rather "buy used and be penalized or don't buy".

[Maria Caliban]

Xewaka wrote...

The fact that somebody buys an used game shows that the game was already bought once and has generated its revenue. People who buy used do so probably because they can't afford or aren't willing to pay for the full, mint product at original retail value. Yet they get to taste the product and if they find it appealing, they'll be willing try more from the same source, probably even buying original next time.

The average person who buys used video games is not doing so because they lack the funds to buy new. I'm not saying that's the case for some people, but the used game market is huge because there are people who buy 5-8 games a year used.

When I go to Gamestop, I can stroll to the New Games rack and see Darksiders for $59.95 and then stroll to the Used Games racks and see it for $30. As a consumer, I'd be out of my mind to not pick up the used game. For that price, I could even pick up another game.

However, if I buy a game like Dragon Age: Origins used and enjoy it, I can buy an extra character for $15. It might be worth it to me, or it might not.

I don't see the situation as "buy used and be penalized or buy original and be rewarded", but rather "buy used and be penalized or don't buy".

I see it as "buy new and be rewarded." ME 2 and DA:O are full games without the DLC. There's no penalty for buying used at all.

[Xewaka]

That's only if you believe that DLC is bonus material, rather than a scam to nickle-and-dime us to death.

But I have a blinding, seething hatred against all things DLC; if I can't hold the disk, I don't feel like I own it, but that it could be taken away from me at the company's whim.

[TJPags]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

The fact that somebody buys an used game shows that the game was already bought once and has generated its revenue. People who buy used do so probably because they can't afford or aren't willing to pay for the full, mint product at original retail value. Yet they get to taste the product and if they find it appealing, they'll be willing try more from the same source, probably even buying original next time.

The average person who buys used video games is not doing so because they lack the funds to buy new. I'm not saying that's the case for some people, but the used game market is huge because there are people who buy 5-8 games a year used.

When I go to Gamestop, I can stroll to the New Games rack and see Darksiders for $59.95 and then stroll to the Used Games racks and see it for $30. As a consumer, I'd be out of my mind to not pick up the used game. For that price, I could even pick up another game.

However, if I buy a game like Dragon Age: Origins used and enjoy it, I can buy an extra character for $15. It might be worth it to me, or it might not.

I don't see the situation as "buy used and be penalized or buy original and be rewarded", but rather "buy used and be penalized or don't buy".

I see it as "buy new and be rewarded." ME 2 and DA:O are full games without the DLC. There's no penalty for buying used at all.

Just using your numbers here, Maria, you get more buying it used - $30 (game) + $10 (DLC) = $40 < $59.95 new.

I tend to buy all my games new, so it seems I get screwed . . . .

[crimzontearz]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

The fact that somebody buys an used game shows that the game was already bought once and has generated its revenue. People who buy used do so probably because they can't afford or aren't willing to pay for the full, mint product at original retail value. Yet they get to taste the product and if they find it appealing, they'll be willing try more from the same source, probably even buying original next time.

The average person who buys used video games is not doing so because they lack the funds to buy new. I'm not saying that's the case for some people, but the used game market is huge because there are people who buy 5-8 games a year used.

When I go to Gamestop, I can stroll to the New Games rack and see Darksiders for $59.95 and then stroll to the Used Games racks and see it for $30. As a consumer, I'd be out of my mind to not pick up the used game. For that price, I could even pick up another game.

However, if I buy a game like Dragon Age: Origins used and enjoy it, I can buy an extra character for $15. It might be worth it to me, or it might not.

I don't see the situation as "buy used and be penalized or buy original and be rewarded", but rather "buy used and be penalized or don't buy".

I see it as "buy new and be rewarded." ME 2 and DA:O are full games without the DLC. There's no penalty for buying used at all.

I dunno about that honestly...but perhaps I am just still miffed at how Liara was handled in the Vanilla ME2 game

[BTCentral]

crimzontearz wrote...

I dunno about that honestly...but perhaps I am just still miffed at how Liara was handled in the Vanilla ME2 game

How so?

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And to put this vaguely back on topic:



Looks pretty likely.

[nightcobra]

BTCentral wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I dunno about that honestly...but perhaps I am just still miffed at how Liara was handled in the Vanilla ME2 game

How so?

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And to put this vaguely back on topic:



Looks pretty likely.

i think the archer in that groupshot is just a city guard, the armor looks very similar to aveline's who also becomes part of the city guard.

[Ahzrei]

I'd be grabbing DA2 on release day anyway. If pre-ordering gets me free stuff on top of that- it's all gravy as far as I'm concerned.





Besides, what would Origins have been like without Shale? Far too many birds, imo.

[BTCentral]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

i think the archer in that groupshot is just a city guard, the armor looks very similar to aveline's who also becomes part of the city guard.

Interesting theory, but why would a city guard be on (what I at least assumed was) the character selection screen? (Unless it's not the character selection screen of course).

Assuming it is the character selection screen we have a new theory then - the bonus character is/was also part of the city guard?

Ahzrei wrote...

I'd be grabbing DA2 on release day anyway. If pre-ordering gets me free stuff on top of that- it's all gravy as far as I'm concerned.

Ditto, pre-ordered a while back

Modifié par BTCentral, 06 janvier 2011 - 11:00 .

[nightcobra]

BTCentral wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

i think the archer in that groupshot is just a city guard, the armor looks very similar to aveline's who also becomes part of the city guard.

Interesting theory, but why would a city guard be on (what I at least assumed was) the character selection screen? (Unless it's not the character selection screen of course).

New theory. Bonus character is also part of the city guard?

character selection screen?

the screenshot i believe is from a cutscene

[ankuu]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

i think the archer in that groupshot is just a city guard, the armor looks very similar to aveline's who also becomes part of the city guard.

Interesting theory, but why would a city guard be on (what I at least assumed was) the character selection screen? (Unless it's not the character selection screen of course).

New theory. Bonus character is also part of the city guard?

character selection screen?

the screenshot i believe is from a cutscene

Yea it's from a cutscene. But the redhead might be a companion, considering most of the known ones are there.

[Risax]

I liked Shale, though it was kind of difficult to get to know her/it, with the memory loss and all.
I hope this DLC character doesn't have that, seeing as we already got Fenris.

Modifié par Risax, 06 janvier 2011 - 11:08 .

[Snoteye]

ankuu wrote...

But the redhead might be a companion, considering most of the known ones are there.

We also know for certain both that not everyone in that picture is a companion and not all companions are in that picture.

[The Elder King]

Snoteye wrote...

ankuu wrote...

But the redhead might be a companion, considering most of the known ones are there.

We also know for certain both that not everyone in that picture is a companion and not all companions are in that picture.

This. Even the devs had said that when a thread about that image was created, plus in this image there is also a templar, don't think he' a companion too.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Actually the stone tile in front of Isabela and to the right of Varric is the secret companion. Who knew?!



It would be nice if more details were released about the pre-order edition before the time limit was reached. Right now I am not pre-ordering or purchasing DA 2 till I see more game footage or hear more accurate reviews. Many of the changes have left me cold so far. It might still be a great game but I feel like I have very little to go on and the bonuses for pre-ordering so far just don't do it either. If anything, the bonuses ensure that I won't buy it if I don't pre-order the game...because then I have to pay for the DLC that seems kind of "meh." It's just my opinion of course, some people just go nutty over the fact there is a game titled DA 2.

[BTCentral]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

character selection screen?

the screenshot i believe is from a cutscene

Ah, due to the amount of characters (and confirmed companions) there at the same time I had always assumed it was the character selection screen.

Obviously a silly assumption on my part.

Modifié par BTCentral, 06 janvier 2011 - 11:32 .

[Tinxa]

I don't think that's the bonus character. The armour hasn't got enough white in it and it looks like he's bald. I think he and the guy with a helmet begind Isabela are just city guards.

And the armour looking similar doesn't mean anything except it's the same type of armour (medium or heavy maybe)

[Jakeul200493]

Estelindis wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
you underestimate the power of the fangirls, you would be wise to be more wary of it:lol:

Even against Varric fangirls? 

Anyway, I have made an attempt to clean up the image a little - largely just doing what I can to smooth out jpg artefacts.  It's not much better, but here it is:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hmmm... now how did that get out there?

I wonder who it could be?

- SpectreM4 approves (<3+15)

[AzuraLuna]

Devs: is there any chance of getting a clearer picture?

[AngelicMachinery]

If the special character looks nothing like that many lulz will be had.

[Maria Caliban]

TJPags wrote...

Just using your numbers here, Maria, you get more buying it used - $30 (game) + $10 (DLC) = $40 < $59.95 new.

I tend to buy all my games new, so it seems I get screwed . . . .

Many times, you do! :happy:

People who buy new when a product just comes out pay more than those who wait or buy used. That's the way it is for almost every industry. If you buy a new 2011/2010 car, you are paying *way more* simply because you've decided to buy new. If you buy a hardback book when it comes out, you often pay up to three times the price you could get it at if you waited for the paperback.

EA gives you an incentive to buy new, but the biggest economic motivator will always be your desire to have a new game instead of a used game. (In general, this assumes you have a game store near you that sells used games or at least a paypal account/credit card so you can buy it used online.)

Tinxa wrote...

I don't think that's the bonus character. The armour hasn't got enough white in it and it looks like he's bald. I think he and the guy with a helmet begind Isabela are just city guards.

It looks like he has lighter colored hair.

That said, concept art is not in-game appearance. Look at Zevran's original art.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 06 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .