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[Leonia]

I think you guys are over-analysing the term "non-human" there.

[Onyx Jaguar]

MerinTB wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
And people who need a romantic interest to be non-human in order to have their boat sufficiently floated disturb me on the same level as furries. Some of you might want to have that looked at.

Hmmm...

whom did Maric love and sleep with and sire Alistair with again.....

she must have been human...

I don't think the writer of that novel would ever sink to a human / non-human relationship.

Maybe Gaider's just not into them

*blows up a winnebego*

[packardbell]

David Gaider wrote...

packardbell wrote...
Neither. Both human? BOOOOOOOOORING.

You must live a very unsatisfying life.

Yes.. very, you're great at diagnosing life problems over the internet. Maybe you should quit as a writer and start your own reality show.

[Onyx Jaguar]

leonia42 wrote...

I think you guys are over-analysing the term "non-human" there.

Would you please stop trying to derail this thread into politics!!!!!!!!

[Onyx Jaguar]

packardbell wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

packardbell wrote...
Neither. Both human? BOOOOOOOOORING.

You must live a very unsatisfying life.

Yes.. very, you're great at diagnosing life problems over the internet. Maybe you should quit as a writer and start your own reality show.

Would his show be about denying the loooove?

[Hawksblud]

filaminstrel wrote...

I thought DA did a pretty good job of not making humans one homogenized group to only be contrasted with fantasy races. e.g. the conflict between Ferelden and Orlais being the backdrop for a great deal of the conflict in the game, since it pretty much defined Loghain's mindset.

Hmmm. I would say that Ferelden and Orlais are still far more similar, culturally, despite political differences. Worship the same god, similar methods of governance, same stance on Wardens, etc. Whereas the Qun are entirely different on all counts. Which is not to discount the possibility of a fascinating relationship (platonic, romantic, what-have-you) between an Orlesian and a Ferelden. But I think it is very different, because the two worldviews are compatible in a fundamental way. Similar notions of right and wrong, for example. Similar cultural mores.

[David Gaider]

MerinTB wrote...
Hmmm...

whom did Maric love and sleep with in Stolen Throne?

she must have been human...

I don't think the writer of that novel would ever sink to a human / non-human relationship.



EDIT - Corrected from my previous misremembering as I caught the error myself.

I have nothing against romances with non-humans. I mean-- duh? I write them often enough. What I find baffling is the insistence of some that a character has to be non-human in order to be interesting or romanceable.

[packardbell]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

packardbell wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

packardbell wrote...
Neither. Both human? BOOOOOOOOORING.

You must live a very unsatisfying life.

Yes.. very, you're great at diagnosing life problems over the internet. Maybe you should quit as a writer and start your own reality show.

Would his show be about denying the loooove?

Think he'll cure people with fetishes over midgets and people with abnormally long ears.

[joriandrake]

David Gaider wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
Hey sport, you missed the point that I just agreed with someone else's post, or you are just angry that people don't like your ingame preferences or the opinion of that.

Also, RPG-s are played mostly to avoid real life, real problems, real (and most of the time annoying) "love interests", talking about RL preference ("humans only quasi-racist attitude") in them are thus illogical

I was joking, and I assumed you were as well.

Or hoped. Hoped you were joking. People can be weird.

humor and sarcasm gets lost on international forums

yes I was mostly joking but I still seriously support bigger variety in romance choices, and I was also serious about nekomimi, that is one fetish I developed when I was together with my previous half-japanese girlfriend

You may dislike "interracial" romance or sex but at the same time for many people it boggles the mind how one could oppose these if there are other sentient beings in a franchise other than human to begin with.

[MerinTB]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
And people who need a romantic interest to be non-human in order to have their boat sufficiently floated disturb me on the same level as furries. Some of you might want to have that looked at.

Hmmm...

whom did Maric love and sleep with and sire Alistair with again.....

she must have been human...

I don't think the writer of that novel would ever sink to a human / non-human relationship.

Maybe Gaider's just not into them

*blows up a winnebego*

See you quoted me before I corrected my error -

Katriel is not Alistair's mother.  I caught it when I reread my post....

---

... wait...

The Calling...

another book by that author I'm forgetting the name of...

Maric does it AGAIN with a different elf...

THAT's the one I was thinking of, who's Alistair's "mother" I believe -

Mr. Gaider probably doesn't get along too well with the author of those two novels and that dirty, perverse human / non-human relationships that author pushes on his audience...




EDIT - and this is coming off as more snarky and snide than I meant, and since I hate snark, I humbly accept the title of hypocrite...

Modifié par MerinTB, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:38 .

[Hawksblud]

David Gaider wrote...

I have nothing against romances with non-humans. I mean-- duh? I write them often enough. What I find baffling is the insistence of some that a character has to be non-human in order to be interesting or romanceable.

Oh, no, certainly not. But it does add a layer, a certain dynamic, which I think many of us campaigning for it find to be interesting. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

No no , my joke was on the basis of the Sex and the City writer who wrote a book "Maybe he's just not that into you" and I was placing Gaider with a bunch of Dwarves/Cat Chicks/Elves and saying that maybe he just didn't really dig them in a sexual or emotional fashion.

[MerinTB]

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Hmmm...

whom did Maric love and sleep with in Stolen Throne?

she must have been human...

I don't think the writer of that novel would ever sink to a human / non-human relationship.



EDIT - Corrected from my previous misremembering as I caught the error myself.

I have nothing against romances with non-humans. I mean-- duh? I write them often enough. What I find baffling is the insistence of some that a character has to be non-human in order to be interesting or romanceable.

Fair enough - and I'm really meaning this tongue-in-cheek, I hope you realize, and not actually trying to bash you..

cause I love those books

but you have to admit that if you write the material, and make it available for people in the game you are part of, you can't fault people for enjoying that option and wanting more of it...

you know?


hey, I'm back on the liking DA2 bandwagon, cut me some slack!

[Leonia]

That's because Fiona is Alistair's mum. Right, right?



I wouldn't say non-humans make romance interesting in themselves but I would say romances that involve two people from two completely different cultures/backgrounds/belief-systems are usually more interesting than two who are very similar. A Dalish elf and a human are going to have more differences than two humans or a City-elf and a human. The differences alone don't make it "interesting" but they have the potential to add an extra dynamic. But that's true of any two beings who come together from different backgrounds, regardless of their race/species.

[Collider]

Isabela and Aveline seem plenty interesting to me.

[joriandrake]

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Hmmm...

whom did Maric love and sleep with in Stolen Throne?

she must have been human...

I don't think the writer of that novel would ever sink to a human / non-human relationship.



EDIT - Corrected from my previous misremembering as I caught the error myself.

I have nothing against romances with non-humans. I mean-- duh? I write them often enough. What I find baffling is the insistence of some that a character has to be non-human in order to be interesting or romanceable.

Is it really so much weirder than to say one likes europeans/asians/blacks/blondes/redheads and considers them to be more interesting and "tromancable" than others?

I myself have not many such claims, except that asian girls are more fun than your average european or US gals in many cases (personal opinion based on experience)


sidenote: the speed this thread grows by is terrifying

[David Gaider]

joriandrake wrote...
criticize others when you actually make Mass Effect the way that there are more than just 1 culture per race and have cultural conflicts show up that do not equal racial conflictsm right now ME-s universe is no way superior to that of Star Trek

That's nice. I didn't make Mass Effect anything-- and I never claimed it was superior to Star Trek. I was talking about Dragon Age and the fact that humans have a variety of cultures, unlike in Star Trek where they are homogoneous (as are all races).

also. as you said horns/tail/ears/whatever are just minor eathestic changes, nothing is drastic that people want, no one seriously wants to hook up with a jellyfish

Right. Minor aesthetic differences-- and thus nothing, in my opinion, that makes them inherently better or more interesting than other races. The idea that a qunari female would be somehow a more astounding and awesome character just by virtue of her being qunari, without anything else to qualify that, is as bizarre to me as someone going "ohh ho hum another human?" as if that alone were enough non-differentness to guarantee it deserves a pass.

Sure, people will be tickled by whatever they're tickled by. That's nothing new. But, like I said, people are also weird.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Why must we keep these Computer beings away from their feelings! What they know to be true inside!!!!!

[Onyx Jaguar]

joriandrake wrote...

idenote: the speed this thread grows by is terrifying

There is no possible explanation for this

[MerinTB]

If Sam can fall in love with an ISO, than almost anything is ok!

[jlb524]

leonia42 wrote...

That's because Fiona is Alistair's mum. Right, right?

I wouldn't say non-humans make romance interesting in themselves but I would say romances that involve two people from two completely different cultures/backgrounds/belief-systems are usually more interesting than two who are very similar. A Dalish elf and a human are going to have more differences than two humans or a City-elf and a human. The differences alone don't make it "interesting" but they have the potential to add an extra dynamic. But that's true of any two beings who come together from different backgrounds, regardless of their race/species.

But two humans can be from completely different cultures/upbringings as well.

I will go by the *possible* relationship that could be formed between by FemHawke and Isabela....two completely different upbringings/backgrounds there.  One grew up as a pirate and the other had a happy peasant home.  Now, that's interesting, right?

Also, some non-human/human pairings can find similarities between their cultures that draws them together.

[Ziggeh]

Hawksblud wrote...
However, he was not human, which impacts my interest in having a non-human LI.

You know, I honestly picture him as human. Failure of my imagination I suppose.

I agree there is "something" about the non-human element, even aside, from as you say, the more radical personalities being other species, which is more by circumstance than by nature. I'm having a hard time placing in my own mind what that something is though, but feel that David* is right that it is largely to do with the "exotic" nature being titilating.

I'm not certain that's the whole of it though. I'd have a really, good hard think about attractive female elves to try and place it, but I suspect that's not the most intellectual of methods.

*Does anyone else have a problem using the developers names in the same way they'd use Usernames? "David Gaider" seems unwieldy, "David"  seems too informal, "Gaider" too impersonal, and "Mr. Gaider" is only a few steps away from "The Right Honorable".

[Maria Caliban]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

No, that's part of my problem. Men aren't pigs. I'm a pig. If you show me a woman in a video game, I'm going to ask if I can sleep with her. If the answer is 'yes,' I'm going to do so.

She doesn't have to be attractive. She doesn't have to be young or have a well-developed personality. She has to be female and willing to spread her legs for the PC.

This is because I like women. I like muscular, Amazon women who can bench-press cows. I like ****ty pirate women who cheat at cards. I like crazy Orlesan bards who tell me how they enjoy seducing someone before killing them and that the Maker worships them. I like antisocial swamp witches with serious emotional issues. I like ice queen, genetically perfect control freaks. I like shy, tech loving walking encyclopedias, both the blue and the masked varieties. I like self-centered princess ninjas. Humorless, holier-than-thou Jedis. Sadistic, vicious priestesses who tell me how they brutally get revenge on others.

And that' s just BioWare games. TVs, books, movies, cartoons, comics – to me, real life is like being a fat kid left in a Willy Wonka factory. There are so many desirable women in the world and I desperately want to screw them all.

THAT IS BEING A PIG.

Men don't do this. Men, to me, are like rail thin food critics who head to a restaurant and turn their nose up at every dish.

"The smoked trout in dill and scallion marinade has a slightly acidic aftertaste and therefore tastes like dog ass. I could not possibly eat this." <- This is what Maria hears/reads when a group of men discuss women.

That's so beautiful.....

And pretty much describes my action/reactions perfectly.

It's good to know I'm not the only one that feels that way.

[Hawksblud]

filaminstrel wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

I thought DA did a pretty good job of not making humans one homogenized group to only be contrasted with fantasy races. e.g. the conflict between Ferelden and Orlais being the backdrop for a great deal of the conflict in the game, since it pretty much defined Loghain's mindset.

Hmmm. I would say that Ferelden and Orlais are still far more similar, culturally, despite political differences. Worship the same god, similar methods of governance, same stance on Wardens, etc. Whereas the Qun are entirely different on all counts. Which is not to discount the possibility of a fascinating relationship (platonic, romantic, what-have-you) between an Orlesian and a Ferelden. But I think it is very different, because the two worldviews are compatible in a fundamental way. Similar notions of right and wrong, for example. Similar cultural mores.

That's true. Although the Rivainis follow the Qun to an extent, do they not?

And if we see a Rivaini, I will be overjoyed. Of course, having preordered and talking about this game every chance I get, thoroughly boring my roommates, I will be overjoyed anyway. But I'm just saying, it's cool to have all this and I am interested in seeing how it develops.