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[Onyx Jaguar]

MerinTB wrote...

If Sam can fall in love with an ISO, than almost anything is ok!

I once fell in love with the color orange

Almost killed me, was at least twenty feet

[packardbell]

I'm not saying a human character can't be a greatly written character compared to a non-human one, Morrigan/Leliana was testament to that but it's great to break out the circle for anything - even for the lulz.

[Leonia]

I think you're agreeing with me, jlb524. That's my point: two humans are just as different as two people of any other races. They could have just as different cultural boundaries as any other combination of lovers. Perhaps I worded my post poorly, which is possible.

Basically race does not equal interesting/non-interesting level in the romance department.

Modifié par leonia42, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:46 .

[Maugrim]

David Gaider wrote...

That's nice. I didn't make Mass Effect anything-- and I never claimed it was superior to Star Trek. I was talking about Dragon Age and the fact that humans have a variety of cultures, unlike in Star Trek where they are homogoneous (as are all races).

Sir you have made a vague reference to my beloved Star Trek which I can and most certainly choose to regard as insulting.   However will I live with myself and my Star Trek IDIC tattoo knowing that somone, somewhere may not feel exactly as I do?  I demand satisfaction! 

Shall it be pistols at dawn?

[Aermas]

The reason people want inhuman romances is because they cannot have inhuman romances in real life, (at least nothing that legal anyways)

[Onyx Jaguar]

pistols you people are such barbarians



int his modern age we duel with bear traps

[Winter Wraith]

makenzieshepard wrote...
Shall it be pistols at dawn?

Phasers, surely?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Aermas wrote...

The reason people want inhuman romances is because they cannot have inhuman romances in real life, (at least nothing that legal anyways)

A disclaimer this thread sorely needed not

[Hawksblud]

David Gaider wrote...

Right. Minor aesthetic differences-- and thus nothing, in my opinion, that makes them inherently better or more interesting than other races. The idea that a qunari female would be somehow a more astounding and awesome character just by virtue of her being qunari, without anything else to qualify that, is as bizarre to me as someone going "ohh ho hum another human?" as if that alone were enough non-differentness to guarantee it deserves a pass.

The thing is, is you guys are pretty damn awesome at world building. So it isn't just an aesthetic difference. You created these cultures, these 'races' (and oh man fantasy/scifi needs a new word for that) which are each diverse and interesting with their own histories, and yeah, those histories do impact the 'races' and how they interact with each other. Because you got it right, and because everyone on this forum (myself included) is ridiculously addicted to that world, we want to break it into pieces and put 'em back together and see how they play together.

So no, not just aesthetic difference at all.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Winter Wraith wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
Shall it be pistols at dawn?

Phasers, surely?

Please there is nothing more dignifiying than dueling with 8 foot bear traps that could chop a manin half if they be so successful at their execution

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

The reason people want inhuman romances is because they cannot have inhuman romances in real life, (at least nothing that legal anyways)

Or maybe because people want to play with the dynamic of inter-racial coupling that they are unwilling to actually do in real-life because of social stigmas that come along with it.

I think there are various different reasons that people like romancing non-humans in a game, you can't really simplify it to one reason.

[Maugrim]

Winter Wraith wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
Shall it be pistols at dawn?

Phasers, surely?

Actually I thought I might construct a cannon out of various bits and bobs conveniently located nearby.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:49 .

[jlb524]

leonia42 wrote...

I think you're agreeing with me, jlb524. That's my point: two humans are just as different as two people of any other races. They could have just as different cultural boundaries as any other combination of lovers. Perhaps I worded my post poorly, which is possible.

Basically race does not equal interesting/non-interesting level in the romance department.

Oh, sorry, then we are in agreement

[David Gaider]

joriandrake wrote...
Is it really so much weirder than to say one likes europeans/asians/blacks/blondes/redheads and considers them to be more interesting and "tromancable" than others?

Not really, but if a friend of mine said that he thought a girl he doesn't know must be boring because "she's not Asian" I would still call him a freak.

ziggehunderslash wrote...
*Does anyone else have a problem
using the developers names in the same way they'd use Usernames? "David
Gaider" seems unwieldy, "David"  seems too informal, "Gaider" too
impersonal, and "Mr. Gaider" is only a few steps away from "The Right
Honorable".

I'll accept "Grand Poobah" as an alternative.

Modifié par David Gaider, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:52 .

[Aermas]

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

The reason people want inhuman romances is because they cannot have inhuman romances in real life, (at least nothing that legal anyways)

Or maybe because people want to play with the dynamic of inter-racial coupling that they are unwilling to actually do in real-life because of social stigmas that come along with it.

I think there are various different reasons that people like romancing non-humans in a game, you can't really simplify it to one reason.

It's Taboo to date an elf in real life???

[Onyx Jaguar]

Here is the obvious question



This thread is about Isabella and Aveline



Now I may have been responded to random **** in every post



but is it just me or has the thread replaced both characters with a sublte hint of beastiality and fetishnessness



and socio-political relations



Isabella and Aveline have some secrets they need to tell

[Hawksblud]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

Hawksblud wrote...
However, he was not human, which impacts my interest in having a non-human LI.

You know, I honestly picture him as human. Failure of my imagination I suppose.

[,,,]

*Does anyone else have a problem using the developers names in the same way they'd use Usernames? "David Gaider" seems unwieldy, "David"  seems too informal, "Gaider" too impersonal, and "Mr. Gaider" is only a few steps away from "The Right Honorable".

To be honest, all of these 'exotic' races? Are basically human. No, really, they are. Even the Volus are pretty much short, round, humans. But instead of using the racial/societal constraints of RL, we create new humanoid races to get out of social stigmas and avoid being really, really trite and/or offensive. And that's fine. But it does create a link between different culture and different 'race', kind of like in RL. It's a stereotype, an assumption, and we find it to be true quite a bit of the time, so it sticks.

And yes, definitely, to your second point.

 

[Maria Caliban]

Hawksblud wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I have nothing against romances with non-humans. I mean-- duh? I write them often enough. What I find baffling is the insistence of some that a character has to be non-human in order to be interesting or romanceable.

Oh, no, certainly not. But it does add a layer, a certain dynamic, which I think many of us campaigning for it find to be interesting. 

I'll point out here that some of the people asking for elven love interests were on the DA boards before DA:O even came out asking for elven love interests. They're a bit like the fantasy equivalent of men who have a thing for Asian women because they're supposedly feminine and submissive.

It has nothing to do with cultural conflicts in the setting and everything to do with a specific personal preference.

I'm not saying that you're this way, but there is a specific group of posters are adamant that they *cannot* enjoy a romance with humans and that they only way they could be happy is if the love interest is of a specific race. I understand the writers not being happy with that.

[Collider]

Love interests being another race does not inherently make them more interesting.

It's how you use the fact that they're not human.

[jlb524]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Here is the obvious question

This thread is about Isabella and Aveline

Now I may have been responded to random **** in every post

but is it just me or has the thread replaced both characters with a sublte hint of beastiality and fetishnessness

and socio-political relations

Isabella and Aveline have some secrets they need to tell

Nah, the posters have some secrets they need to tell.

[joriandrake]

David Gaider wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
criticize others when you actually make Mass Effect the way that there are more than just 1 culture per race and have cultural conflicts show up that do not equal racial conflictsm right now ME-s universe is no way superior to that of Star Trek

That's nice. I didn't make Mass Effect anything-- and I never claimed it was superior to Star Trek. I was talking about Dragon Age and the fact that humans have a variety of cultures, unlike in Star Trek where they are homogoneous (as are all races).

also. as you said horns/tail/ears/whatever are just minor eathestic changes, nothing is drastic that people want, no one seriously wants to hook up with a jellyfish

Right. Minor aesthetic differences-- and thus nothing, in my opinion, that makes them inherently better or more interesting than other races. The idea that a qunari female would be somehow a more astounding and awesome character just by virtue of her being qunari, without anything else to qualify that, is as bizarre to me as someone going "ohh ho hum another human?" as if that alone were enough non-differentness to guarantee it deserves a pass.

Sure, people will be tickled by whatever they're tickled by. That's nothing new. But, like I said, people are also weird.

people sure are wierd, there is no such thing as "normal" to begin with, and the moment humanity realizes this we will be one huge step closer to world peace

also, I just stated my only weird preference in RL, which is nekomimi ergo "cat ears", sure its just ears, and I stay away from furries and such, and while I did get this fetish from my girlfriend I couldn't say what exactly makes it that interesting or sexy for me even if you torture me, but in the end it isn't any more different from others who roleplay for sex and wear maid/police/military/firefighter/nurse/ect uniforms

as for Star Trek/Mass Effect reference, sure you may not personally have anything to do with ME, but you still represent Bioware, thus there will bne now and then remarks on other games from them comparing to your works and comments

also, qunari in Dragon Age seems all to be of the same culture anyway, the only real cultural differences are minor things taken from RL spanish/french/english cultures to make up the cultures of Ferelden/Orlais/Antiva so its not even an unique culture, although yes you do get points for trying to make more diversity

but as mentioned, qunari are still one of the "1 culture = 1 race" setups, more understandable is that dalish are also the same (although they do have city elven counterparts but then again those don't have their own culture they just assimilated into one of the many human ones) and I don't know if these may get more work into them in Dragon Age 2 of course

still, I think even more cultural diversity could be put into both the ME and DA franchise, even if its just 12 more "mirrored versions" of RL cultures

[Onyx Jaguar]

jlb524 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Here is the obvious question

This thread is about Isabella and Aveline

Now I may have been responded to random **** in every post

but is it just me or has the thread replaced both characters with a sublte hint of beastiality and fetishnessness

and socio-political relations

Isabella and Aveline have some secrets they need to tell

Nah, the posters have some secrets they need to tell.

Surely we can turn this back around to Isabella and Aveline.  Maybe if they preface the header of their secrets with a short mention of how they hoe they will be =similar?

[Winter Wraith]

[quote]Onyx Jaguar wrote...
but is it just me or has the thread replaced both characters with a sublte hint of beastiality and fetishnessness
Isabella and Aveline have some secrets they need to tell[/quote][/quote]

Can you honestly say you feel Isabela definately wouldn't have tried it given the option?



And how did Aveline find herself in the position to need to try benchpressing a cow?

[quote]Onyx Jaguar wrote...
 how they hoe they will be =similar?
[/quote]
Paging Dr. Freud.

Modifié par Winter Wraith, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:59 .