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[HolyJellyfish]

@Dra

What and pass over ripping ogres apart with your bare hands?

your loss man.

[SirGladiator]

I remember before playing DAO I couldn't decide between Morrigan and Leliana, as both seemed so awesome. Once I played the game, it was almost impossible for me to do a playthrough 'not' romancing Leliana, she was so awesome. I romanced her first, and the vast majority of the subsequent playthroughs as well. There's really no way to know for sure which one you'll like the best until you play, just have to wait and see . As for right now, I see a lot to like about both, I'd give a nod to Isabella, but then again I'm more familiar with her, since she was in DAO and all. I look forward to learning more about both, and enjoying them as teammates in the game, before making a decision.

[kingjezza]

Think I'll wait for some face morph mods before I consider romancing either of these two.

[ErichHartmann]

Isabela only because I seriously doubt Aveline has any interest in Fem!Hawke (If Aveline is a potential LI that is).

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 22 décembre 2010 - 03:43 .

[Pedro Costa]

None, then. Seriously, neither woman appeals to me from the screenshots and personality glimpses.

[The Gentle Ben]

David Gaider wrote...

The idea that a qunari female would be somehow a more astounding and awesome character just by virtue of her being qunari, without anything else to qualify that, is as bizarre to me as someone going "ohh ho hum
another human?" as if that alone were enough non-differentness to guarantee it deserves a pass.

Sigh, I never post anymore, but I feel this requires a response. I've seen this bafflement expressed before, and I rather suspect the attitude is a combination of deliberately playing dumb and your oft-stated preference for low-magic fantasy.

It's not exactly unlocking the Rosetta Stone to decipher why people might desire, “an elven romance”, as an example. Some of it, admittedly, comes down to mere aesthetics of the model, an outlook that some are dismissive of, but seems eminently reasonable to me. Video Games are a visual medium, and are becoming increasingly more so. In a movie it's hardly eye-raising to find one actress preferable over another, and Bioware games in particular have become largely an exercise in tactilely directed visual storytelling within firmly set parameters. The revelation that some portion of the fanbase finds elven models more attractive than human ones, and would prefer the hero's romantic interest be a representative of this group within their personal direction of the story, is not really overly mystifying, much less horrifying.

None of this is meant to imply that people who want the opportunity for an “elven romance” are motivated entirely, or at all, by the superficial (Not that there's anything wrong with that). There are clear additional reasons that can account for the preference, which having a great deal of respect for your abilities and insights, I suspect you understand quite well.

To some extent the motivation behind “the elven preference” can be said to relate directly to the essence of fantasy, which is ultimately escapism into the fantastical. One of the draws of fantasy, I have always believed, are the differences built upon the scaffolding of real-world similarities. Elves, in their myriad forms, represent one of the genre's most tested and popular constructs. They come replete with preconceptions: attractive, agile, magical, a connection with nature, but above all, they are always different from humans in both distinct and subtle ways.

Simply: People like elves because they are both different and represent the fantastical that attracts many of them to fantasy. There are cultural, ability-oriented and physical assumptions that accompany merely being an elf. There is an innate mystery around their very existence, that a human character can only accomplish by backstory. Does this mean that an individual elf is ultimately interesting? No, I unfortunately did not find Zevran to be, but then he was barely elven. His identity was far more assassin than race, and ultimately personality and backstory are the final arbiter for any character.

I assume that this is the real reason behind the push back on this topic. Are humans able to capture a similar air of otherworldly mystery as elves? Yes, in my opinion Morigan did. Her true origins, abilities and motivations were shrouded in a perpetual mystery. Her outlook on the world was practically non-human as a result of her upbringing. Beyond her mere physical shell, she was for all intents and purposes a member of another race. I fully understand wanting to stress this point: That humans in fantasy can also be unique and interesting, however, it's an understandable position for people who desire those traits in their companions to feel the probability of their wants being fulfilled are higher with an elf, by dint of their non-human nature and assumed background.

Apologies, as this post has already run considerably overlong, but to return briefly to the original topic: I find it vaguely uncomfortable to admit, but I am tragically shallow enough to acknowledge that to date, I find little appeal in either Isabella or Aveline, both from their models and what little is known of their backstories. I am reasonably confident that their writing will be executed in the usual superb Biowarian manner, which will make them enjoyable companions, but for the storytelling purposes of a romance, neither truly attracts. I too hope that there is a yet unrevealed elven character, not because she will automatically be to my taste (Aerie comes to mind. The writing was well-done, but save me forever from weak women), but because frankly I believe the probabilities are higher that I would find an elven model attractive, and their personality and backstory more interesting. I always find the exploration of the tensions that result from a proud, potentially un-assimilable minority with unique innate characteristics, interacting with a dominant species, to be an intriguing conflict with almost endless angles and perspectives.

Modifié par The Gentle Ben, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:28 .

[the_one_54321]

The Qunari have very distinctly non-human features as of DA][. However, in DA:O any of the races could have been replaced with humans given tribal names and identical backstories. The dwarves would have been the most difficult of these, but it would have been possible. Similarly, any of the companions in DA:O could have be thusly replaced with humans of identical stories, again with the dwarf being the most difficult.

[The Gentle Ben]

the_one_54321 wrote...

The Qunari have very distinctly non-human features as of DA][. However, in DA:O any of the races could have been replaced with humans given tribal names and identical backstories. The dwarves would have been the most difficult of these, but it would have been possible. Similarly, any of the companions in DA:O could have be thusly replaced with humans of identical stories, again with the dwarf being the most difficult.

I don't dispute that at all. It's a completely viable option. In actuality, some of the best fantasy does just that. In Robert Jordan's "The Wheel of Time", what are Aiel and Seanchan, but human cultures made sufficiently alien to fill the role of other races. However, within the world of Dragon Age, none of the human cultures have as yet been rendered distinct or memorable enough to assume that level of disparity and prominence.

[What is this]

OMG gaider posted in my thread!

[Allison W]

Winter Wraith wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...
God.
I'm just going to be a Camp****. I will be known as The Heroine of
Kirkwall & The Tramp of Kirkwall, depending on who you ask and which
legend sustains.

I suspect Isabela may race you for it.

She has a girl in every port and a port in every girl.

I'm pretty sure that's a Karin Kallmaker novel.

ErichHartmann wrote...

Isabela only because I seriously doubt Aveline has any interest in Fem!Hawke (If Aveline is a potential LI that is).

oh my goddess DON'T EVEN TALK LIKE THAT

[MKDAWUSS]

kingjezza wrote...

Think I'll wait for some face morph mods before I consider romancing either of these two.

I agree, but I may have little choice if the game isn't worth replaying.

[Lady of the Waters]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If these two are the only female LI, im not buying this crap ...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

[Maria Caliban]

Allison W wrote...

Winter Wraith wrote...

She has a girl in every port and a port in every girl.

I'm pretty sure that's a Karin Kallmaker novel.

Yep. "In Every Port."

[Aermas]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If these two are the only female LI, im not buying this crap ...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

But it has dating sim elements. It may be an RPG but that does not limit it to being more than just that.

[Atakuma]

Aermas wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

But it has dating sim elements. It may be an RPG but that does not limit it to being more than just that.

It does limit it from being a dating sim though.

[What is this]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If these two are the only female LI, im not buying this crap ...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

Imagine if you're two romance option were Oghren and Sir jory.
How would you feel?

[Leonia]

What IS a dating sim anyway? I mean, I know how the term is used, but does it actually refer to something specific?

[TJPags]

What is this wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If these two are the only female LI, im not buying this crap ...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

Imagine if you're two romance option were Oghren and Sir jory.
How would you feel?

Granted, that seems scary, but there's a difference between "I'm not going to do the romance part because I think they're upgly"" and "I'm not going to buy the game because I think  they're ugly"

[What is this]

leonia42 wrote...

What IS a dating sim anyway? I mean, I know how the term is used, but does it actually refer to something specific?

They are only sold in japan i think
Look it up at your own risk, you may be creeped out.

[BurtonSD]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Isabela only because I seriously doubt Aveline has any interest in Fem!Hawke (If Aveline is a potential LI that is).

How could you say such a thing. My ears! *covers ears*

[Lady of the Waters]

TJPags wrote...

What is this wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

If these two are the only female LI, im not buying this crap ...

Because clearly the LI's are the do all and end all of the game, and if they don't meet your personal standards of beauty, then your entire experience is ruined.

This is an RPG, not a dating sim.

Imagine if you're two romance option were Oghren and Sir jory.
How would you feel?

Granted, that seems scary, but there's a difference between "I'm not going to do the romance part because I think they're ugly"" and "I'm not going to buy the game because I think  they're ugly"

Yeah, pretty much this. The first part is at least *somewhat* understandable, the second is just plain shallow.

As for me, although Oghren and Jory may not be the most... visually appealing of men, if their romances were well executed and they had interesting personalities then I would probably be able to overlook their physical shortcomings.

Modifié par Lady of the Waters, 23 décembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Homer_S]

Sorry if this has been asked...



Is Isabela in DA2 the same Isabela that we meet in the Pearl in DAO?



Homer

[Lady of the Waters]

Homer_S wrote...

Sorry if this has been asked...

Is Isabela in DA2 the same Isabela that we meet in the Pearl in DAO?

Homer

Yes.

[Maria Caliban]

leonia42 wrote...

What IS a dating sim anyway? I mean, I know how the term is used, but does it actually refer to something specific?

A game where the protagonist has a relationship with a number of women (or men) and can develop a romance with one. The level of adult content varies wildly. They're mostly Japanese.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 décembre 2010 - 04:09 .