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[Dave of Canada]

Aveline. I'd have no choice, as Isabela looks like my aunt and that would give me creepy vibes.

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Drasanil wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

She was a walking rock. Doesn't really make her gender matter much.

"I want to glitter from ear to ear" - Shale

Exactly, gender is a psychological trait not a physical one, that she's a walking pile of rubble doesn't change the fact that she's a woman

No it Gender is Physical
Shale is not a woman, but has traits of of one.

Like how infeminite Males who like clothes and makeup are still men but have traits that are more common for girls.

[Drasanil]

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Drasanil wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

She was a walking rock. Doesn't really make her gender matter much.

"I want to glitter from ear to ear" - Shale

Exactly, gender is a psychological trait not a physical one, that she's a walking pile of rubble doesn't change the fact that she's a woman

No it Gender is Physical
Shale is not a woman, but has traits of of one.

Like how infeminite Males who like clothes and makeup are still men but have traits that are more common for girls.

Sex is physical, Gender is a social construct.... in some societies putting on make-up is considered manly while proper women go au naturel, it's not something that is inherent to a person's physical sex, but something that is attached to a culture's perception of what that sex should be.

Modifié par Drasanil, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:10 .

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Drasanil wrote...

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You predicted the dark ritual or Killing Morrigans mother?
Or that wynne was inhabited by a spirit?

Those are plot devices not character traits. Neither really have much to do with their personalities.

Sigrun was absolutley nothing
She was a dwarf without personality, Her jokes were worse than Oghrens.

You mean a self-loathing castless who betrayed the one person that ever put any fiath in her and is determined to make up for it and prove she's not just trash?

But the plot devices attriubute to their character,
Morrigan chose to offer the ritual, Morrigan chose to ask the warden to slay her mother.
Wynne's whole character side quest involves her personal story with the spirit, and has nothing to do with the centeral plot so that's not even remotley true to her.

Sigrun was hardly self loathing, just pitiful. And had a sense of Morality that didn't go beyond black and white views of what's right and wrong.  She could have easily been replace by any other Legion of the dead member and had the same story.  She had 0 personality

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Drasanil wrote...

What is this wrote...

Drasanil wrote...

Amyntas wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

She was a walking rock. Doesn't really make her gender matter much.

"I want to glitter from ear to ear" - Shale

Exactly, gender is a psychological trait not a physical one, that she's a walking pile of rubble doesn't change the fact that she's a woman

No it Gender is Physical
Shale is not a woman, but has traits of of one.

Like how infeminite Males who like clothes and makeup are still men but have traits that are more common for girls.

Sex is physical, Gender is a social construct..

Gender is a set of characteristics distinguishing between male and female, particularly in the cases of men and women. Depending on the context, the discriminating characteristics vary from sex to social role to gender identity. In 1955, sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role; before his work, it was uncommon to use gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. Today, the distinction is strictly followed in some contexts, like feminist literature,[3] and in documents written by organizations such as the World Health Organization (WHO),[4] but in most contexts, even in social sciences, the meaning of gender has expanded to include sex or even to replace the latter word.[1][2] Although this gradual change in the meaning of gender can be traced to the 1980s, a small acceleration of the process in the scientific literature was observed when the Food and Drug Administration started to use gender instead of sex in 1993.[5] Gender is now commonly used even to refer to the physiology of nonhuman animals, without any implication of social gender roles.[2]
In the English literature, the trichotomy between biological sex,
psychological gender, and social sex role first appeared in a feminist
paper on transsexualism in 1978.[2][6]
Some cultures have specific gender-related social roles that can be considered distinct from male and female, such as the hijra of India and Pakistan.
While the social sciences sometimes approach gender as a social construct, and gender studies particularly do, the natural sciences, regard biological and behavioral differences in males and females as influencing the development of gender in humans; both inform debate about how far biological differences influence gender identity formation.Taken for wikipedia

Shale can have Female Menatlities but still remain without gender, depending on your view of gender. But regardless you can't count her as a woman of the party because shale is not physically a woman.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Drasanil wrote...

Sex is physical, Gender is a social construct.... in some societies putting on make-up is considered manly while proper women go au naturel, it's not something that is inherent to a person's physical sex, but something that is attached to a culture's perception of what that sex should be.

I would say Gender probably be sub-divided. Gender identity being more psychological, while gender role being more social (though obviously it has a impact on identity). 

Shale identifies as a woman, not right away but in the end she does. As such she is a woman. No matter what her physical form may be.

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Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Drasanil wrote...

Sex is physical, Gender is a social construct.... in some societies putting on make-up is considered manly while proper women go au naturel, it's not something that is inherent to a person's physical sex, but something that is attached to a culture's perception of what that sex should be.

I would say Gender probably be sub-divided. Gender identity being more psychological, while gender role being more social (though obviously it has a impact on identity). 

Shale identifies as a woman, not right away but in the end she does. As such she is a woman. No matter what her physical form may be.

If shale identified herself as a woman i would agree, but never actually says that to my knowledge.
You can have Common female mentalties without being a female.

[redloz]

Aveline, no question.

[HolyJellyfish]

From now on, so that we can stop everyone from politically correcting everyone, I now officially declare that Shale be called The Golem Formerly Known As She. So whenever you need to reference her, so no one correct thee, you may say 'The Golem Formerly Known As She'



Carry on.



And I'd choose Isabella. Let's go drink and swashbuckle.

[Loup Blanc]

Aveline. The whole gypsy look of Isabella is a turn off to me. Doesn't appeal to me at all.

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

From now on, so that we can stop everyone from politically correcting everyone, I now officially declare that Shale be called The Golem Formerly Known As She. So whenever you need to reference her, so no one correct thee, you may say 'The Golem Formerly Known As She'

Carry on.

And I'd choose Isabella. Let's go drink and swashbuckle.

Well Shale can also can be turned into a woman in the Epilouge so that dosen't work at all.

[Lord Gremlin]

No one. Both are ugly as Cthulhu's ass.

[HolyJellyfish]

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

From now on, so that we can stop everyone from politically correcting everyone, I now officially declare that Shale be called The Golem Formerly Known As She. So whenever you need to reference her, so no one correct thee, you may say 'The Golem Formerly Known As She'

Carry on.

And I'd choose Isabella. Let's go drink and swashbuckle.

Well Shale can also can be turned into a woman in the Epilouge so that dosen't work at all.

OH! So if that's the case, then Shale IS a She, huh?

Well, you have your two choices then! Golem Formerly Known As She and... She!

Enjoy yourself and if you want to keep Shale an it, feel free to. Stop correcting everyone else.

[Drasanil]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

No one. Both are ugly as Cthulhu's ass.

Now you're just doing a disservice to Cthulhu's ass

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

From now on, so that we can stop everyone from politically correcting everyone, I now officially declare that Shale be called The Golem Formerly Known As She. So whenever you need to reference her, so no one correct thee, you may say 'The Golem Formerly Known As She'

Carry on.

And I'd choose Isabella. Let's go drink and swashbuckle.

Well Shale can also can be turned into a woman in the Epilouge so that dosen't work at all.

OH! So if that's the case, then Shale IS a She, huh?

Well, you have your two choices then! Golem Formerly Known As She and... She!

Enjoy yourself and if you want to keep Shale an it, feel free to. Stop correcting everyone else.

I didn't bring the arguement up and was joking in my quoted post
Calm down <_<

[Liyros]

I like Isabela..



As for Aveline, I have mixed feelings. While I think it's so cool that we're getting a strong female warrior who is not a golem as a companion, the bit where she has a dead husband is unsettling. It's an awkward position because we don't know Aveline enough to guess whether she is the sort to move on or avoid any romantic entanglements.

[Seagloom]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

I would say Gender probably be sub-divided. Gender identity being more psychological, while gender role being more social (though obviously it has a impact on identity). 

Shale identifies as a woman, not right away but in the end she does. As such she is a woman. No matter what her physical form may be.

Right on! In my personal experience it is hard to disentangle the two to a degree of neatly subdividing them, but it may not be true for everyong. That is all I wanted to add to this dicussion. Carry on. :happy:


On the subject of choosing between Isabela or Aveline, I have to go with Aveline simply because Isabela is not at all my type. She is pretty enough physically, but I prefer a more down-to-earth type. Living a rollicking life day in and day out would get tiresome eventually.

[halO bendeR]

It will probably depend a lot on the personality of the characters, but I'll be honest, my initial reaction is to pick neither of them.

Isabela I'd probably give the advantage to however. There's nothing about Avaline's look or background that appeals to me.

[Mister_Shepard]

Aveline looks like a masculine woman. I prefer Isabella over her.

[Marionetten]

Aveline. Not in the mood for yet another sassy rogue.

[SgtElias]

With the very few scraps of information we have available to us, I'd choose Isabela.



I like a strong, self-assured woman. Also, Aveline? I'm sure her dead Templar husband would love the idea of her copulating with an apostate mage.



It's like Buffy and Angel all over again. Sexy, but I'd probably decline.



Of course, this is all just guesswork at this point. I may absolutely adore Aveline by the time I have the opportunity to romance anyone. We shall see.

[Rawgrim]

I`d try Aveline first, and then Isabella in my second playthrough.

[Marionetten]

SgtElias wrote...

Also, Aveline? I'm sure her dead Templar husband would love the idea of her copulating with an apostate mage.

Hey, that's just icing on the cake for my aspiring maleficar.

[saMoorai]

Cassandra.

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saMOOrai182 wrote...

Cassandra.

Disgusting