Aermas wrote...
I said Mobile, not fast.
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.Bryy_Miller wrote...
Aermas wrote...
I said Mobile, not fast.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyways, look at games like the Elder Scrolls: a dozen classes, but all are the same thing, just with different starting skill bonuses. And once you actually start playing the Scrolls games, it is incredibly easy to go from your starting class to a Jack of All Trades. DA2's three classes make sense in context of the game BioWare is making.
Dave of Canada wrote...
Then what do you want, exactly?
You don't want anything to do with "dirty fighting", there's options that ignore them but you point at them and say "there's dirty fighting elsewhere in the class!".
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Aermas wrote...
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.Bryy_Miller wrote...
Aermas wrote...
I said Mobile, not fast.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyways, look at games like the Elder Scrolls: a dozen classes, but all are the same thing, just with different starting skill bonuses. And once you actually start playing the Scrolls games, it is incredibly easy to go from your starting class to a Jack of All Trades. DA2's three classes make sense in context of the game BioWare is making.
Aermas wrote...
Then what class pray tell would a Strong Mobile Sword & Board fighter fulfill?
Someone mentioned Guild Wars last time it came up, I meant to look it up at the time, but it slipped my mind. To wikipedia!leonia42 wrote...
ziggehunderslash wrote...
But has very few, if any reasonably competing dynamics.Aermas wrote...
it is flawed & outdated
*looks at all the RPGs she owns*
*tries to pick out one that doesn't have a holy trinity concept*
*is stuck holding the rubbish that is Darkfall Online*
AlanC9 wrote...
Aermas wrote...
Then what class pray tell would a Strong Mobile Sword & Board fighter fulfill?
Just for intellectual clarity here, "strong" and "mobile" are relative terms. Are you looking for a S&B fighter who is strong and mobile relative to everyone else on the battlefield, relative to characters of lower levels, or just relative to other S&B fighters?
Aermas wrote...
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.
Modifié par Piecake, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:51 .
Aermas wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Aermas wrote...
Then what class pray tell would a Strong Mobile Sword & Board fighter fulfill?
Just for intellectual clarity here, "strong" and "mobile" are relative terms. Are you looking for a S&B fighter who is strong and mobile relative to everyone else on the battlefield, relative to characters of lower levels, or just relative to other S&B fighters?
S&B that can move in & out of combat & lose aggro more than other characters
Rogues have access to Lockpicking & other skills, & get more skills, that way they balance.Piecake wrote...
Aermas wrote...
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.
two class system (fighter + mage) seems exactly what you want. You say you want a fast, mobile warrior that is also built on strength? or something like that? But where does that leave rogues? That class is built on mobility, if you give that to warriors as well you make rogues useless. Perhaps you don't care about class balance, but class balance is important in a 3+ class system party rpg for reasons others have metnioned.
With a mage fighter class system you still need to somewhat balance mages and fighters, but the key point is that you don't need to make 2 melee classes distinct and then balance the two.
What did I make up?Bryy_Miller wrote...
Aermas wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Aermas wrote...
Then what class pray tell would a Strong Mobile Sword & Board fighter fulfill?
Just for intellectual clarity here, "strong" and "mobile" are relative terms. Are you looking for a S&B fighter who is strong and mobile relative to everyone else on the battlefield, relative to characters of lower levels, or just relative to other S&B fighters?
S&B that can move in & out of combat & lose aggro more than other characters
See, now you're just making up attributes to a class that doesn't even exist while still trying to maintain the context of real world warriors.
ziggehunderslash wrote...
Someone mentioned Guild Wars last time it came up, I meant to look it up at the time, but it slipped my mind. To wikipedia!
Aermas wrote...
Rogues have access to Lockpicking & other skills, & get more skills, that way they balance.Piecake wrote...
Aermas wrote...
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.
two class system (fighter + mage) seems exactly what you want. You say you want a fast, mobile warrior that is also built on strength? or something like that? But where does that leave rogues? That class is built on mobility, if you give that to warriors as well you make rogues useless. Perhaps you don't care about class balance, but class balance is important in a 3+ class system party rpg for reasons others have metnioned.
With a mage fighter class system you still need to somewhat balance mages and fighters, but the key point is that you don't need to make 2 melee classes distinct and then balance the two.
It does notleonia42 wrote...
Aermas wrote...
Rogues have access to Lockpicking & other skills, & get more skills, that way they balance.Piecake wrote...
Aermas wrote...
We don't need to eliminate all classes, how would they deal with mages? I just want enough classes or broad enough classes in which to play the kind of character I wish.
two class system (fighter + mage) seems exactly what you want. You say you want a fast, mobile warrior that is also built on strength? or something like that? But where does that leave rogues? That class is built on mobility, if you give that to warriors as well you make rogues useless. Perhaps you don't care about class balance, but class balance is important in a 3+ class system party rpg for reasons others have metnioned.
With a mage fighter class system you still need to somewhat balance mages and fighters, but the key point is that you don't need to make 2 melee classes distinct and then balance the two.
How does lockpicking effect combat?
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Aermas wrote...
Rogues have access to Lockpicking & other skills, & get more skills, that way they balance.
Modifié par Piecake, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:58 .
Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 décembre 2010 - 05:58 .
Yeah, been searching for the thread where it was mentioned, as the first thing I read on it involved healing the tank.leonia42 wrote...
Eh, the trinity still exists in Guild Wars, it's just less obvious. Every group still needs it's tank/dps/healer but there are more "hybrid" classes to play around with so those roles are mixed up amongst them dependig on how people set up their attributes. Plus in GW you have two classes per character so you draw your skills from two pools.
No a rouge would retain it's dirty fighting moves & sneak attackDave of Canada wrote...
In other words, you want Warriors to have everything a Rogue has (and Rogue have none of it) combat wise and you want Rogues to be totally useless except for lockpicking?
Aermas wrote...
What did I make up?Bryy_Miller wrote...
Aermas wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Aermas wrote...
Then what class pray tell would a Strong Mobile Sword & Board fighter fulfill?
Just for intellectual clarity here, "strong" and "mobile" are relative terms. Are you looking for a S&B fighter who is strong and mobile relative to everyone else on the battlefield, relative to characters of lower levels, or just relative to other S&B fighters?
S&B that can move in & out of combat & lose aggro more than other characters
See, now you're just making up attributes to a class that doesn't even exist while still trying to maintain the context of real world warriors.
While they tend not to define the roles quite as much, they do generally have defensive, offense and healing "stances", or modes, or dresses, depending on which game. Mind you, only played a few of them.filaminstrel wrote...
I don't think the Final Fantasy games I've played had much of a "trinity"-- at least, there's not much of a concept of tank, considering there's no aggro. And there are other concepts like "summoner."
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