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[Slayer299]

Last Vizard wrote...

1. What would the out for ME2 universe have been if Shepperd stayed dead? so they save the Galaxy in ME3 by bring you back in ME2 - (i'm a pretty big deal around here") lol

I'll give you that. Cerberus did do a good thing there with that! 

2. I don't recall Reapers having fighters, they used the Geth's help at the end of ME1 so maybe i missed the Reaper fighters in ME2, i got the impression that the Reaper were all dreadnaught class ships and (I really like modern history... mainly the world wars) it seemed that all the other races didn't have WW's early on in there histories so they didn't realise that Carriers were more powerfull than Battleships because of bombers and such.  so in a way there ready for yesterdays conflict instead of moving forwards. (and in the codex it says that there is no restriction on Carrier numbers so for 30 years humanity would have been force to build carriers to make up for the destroyers they couldn't build (restricted to the triangle system... five for them/one for us)

It appeared that way in the trailer, maybe I'm wrong *shrug*, it happens. Either way though, the Alliance fighters aren't enough to really dent a Reaper.

3. Cerberus is a bunch of splinter cells, the illusive Man gives them an objective and they try to reach the ends throguh any means.... i killed those cells and made sure they got what they deserved plus it wasn't till the end of the game that i began to side with the illusive Man, (cold logic is needed is Humanity is to stand at the top)... we don't have to rule all other races but ensure that noone looks **** eyed at us or we'll give em a taste of dirty Harry (the Chuck is over kill) Industrial accident that dropped eezo on humans at Yandoa. Horrible thing to do but it gave us humans with biotics.... ends justifies the means.

I find it suspiciously hard to believe that TIM both keeps the cells in number limited so he's able to have better oversight
over them, but also simultaneously doesn't havea  clue about what's actually happening.

Ahh, you're one of those people;)  Sorry, but I'm not a "ends justify the means" person. To me that's just an excuse to do whatever you want and somehow justify it. Because I'm sure the humans whose lives TIM destroyed feel 'oh so better' knowing that they helped humanity, especially since they didn't volunteer! <_<

[ISpeakTheTruth]

We also have to think past Mass Effect 3. The creators want to have more Mass Effect games in the future that go past Shepard that touches on different issues and different people. Now if you have a trilogy that ends up with the Reapers winning no matter what then what you're going to have is a very un-happy fan base that won't buy any more ME games of any kind. That isn't a very good marketing strategy.



Now if the Reapers wining is just one of multiple endings than that's fine. But I think the Reapers winning is going to be something that is hard to have happen. Like Shepard dying in ME2 I think you're going to have to go out of your way to make your team/army suck in order to have a total failure. Now having different degrees of success will probably be more numerous Example 1) Every specie is hit hard by the Reapers and barly survive but eventualy recover over centuries of re-building Example 2) Humanity takes the brunt of the damage to save the Council. Example 3) Humanity uses the Concil as a sheild against the Reapers and are now the dominante life form in the galaxy. Example 5) With Shepard's efforts the galaxy suffered large losses but nothing that can't be re-built in a few decades.



And so on.

[Bourne Endeavor]

It is all dependent on what the alternative is. We know a Deus Ex Machina will be used for Shepard to win. I mean it is inevitable at this point. That said, if they can come up with something decent and/or believable than cheers. If not, then yes I would love a "you cannot win" conclusion simply for its originality.



One avenue I pondered about in destroying the Reapers is what if there existed a lead Reaper for lack of a better term. One that could upon being destroyed weakened the rest but not enough for an overwhelming victory. Basically the Galaxy wins but with enormous amounts of causalities?

[TexasToast712]

If I lose to the Reapers, this will be my reaction.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par TexasToast712, 23 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[Last Vizard]

Slayer299 wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

1. What would the out for ME2 universe have been if Shepperd stayed dead? so they save the Galaxy in ME3 by bring you back in ME2 - (i'm a pretty big deal around here") lol

I'll give you that. Cerberus did do a good thing there with that! 

2. I don't recall Reapers having fighters, they used the Geth's help at the end of ME1 so maybe i missed the Reaper fighters in ME2, i got the impression that the Reaper were all dreadnaught class ships and (I really like modern history... mainly the world wars) it seemed that all the other races didn't have WW's early on in there histories so they didn't realise that Carriers were more powerfull than Battleships because of bombers and such.  so in a way there ready for yesterdays conflict instead of moving forwards. (and in the codex it says that there is no restriction on Carrier numbers so for 30 years humanity would have been force to build carriers to make up for the destroyers they couldn't build (restricted to the triangle system... five for them/one for us)

It appeared that way in the trailer, maybe I'm wrong *shrug*, it happens. Either way though, the Alliance fighters aren't enough to really dent a Reaper.

3. Cerberus is a bunch of splinter cells, the illusive Man gives them an objective and they try to reach the ends throguh any means.... i killed those cells and made sure they got what they deserved plus it wasn't till the end of the game that i began to side with the illusive Man, (cold logic is needed is Humanity is to stand at the top)... we don't have to rule all other races but ensure that noone looks **** eyed at us or we'll give em a taste of dirty Harry (the Chuck is over kill) Industrial accident that dropped eezo on humans at Yandoa. Horrible thing to do but it gave us humans with biotics.... ends justifies the means.

I find it suspiciously hard to believe that TIM both keeps the cells in number limited so he's able to have better oversight
over them, but also simultaneously doesn't havea  clue about what's actually happening.

Ahh, you're one of those people;)  Sorry, but I'm not a "ends justify the means" person. To me that's just an excuse to do whatever you want and somehow justify it. Because I'm sure the humans whose lives TIM destroyed feel 'oh so better' knowing that they helped humanity, especially since they didn't volunteer! <_<

I'm more a shades of grey kind of person, there are some things that are just black and white (like people).  what Fable 3 did is good, if you do all the right things then you loose your kingdom (unless you spend alot of time and pay for everything with your own money like i did hahaha) because doing the right thing is nice and all but it doesn't work in a war time situation, as far as i'm concerned you can compare the alien races in ME to the Chinese, they are having greate influence on the west and as the US dollar collapses over the next couple of years then we might find the world have some Chinese overlords...... but anyway Cerberus are the only ones who will do what needs to be done to keep Humanity out of reach of the alien hordes.

[Last Vizard]

That One Display Name wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

I'd be pissed if no matter what you lost to the reapers. It's a video game there is always a way.

Halo reach ended with everyone retreating and the planet getting glassed...

I would have no problem losing the endgame as long as the process of getting there was amazing.

At the end of Halo reach (sucked) you know that our MC now has his AI love interest and that he is going to kick some ass from H1 to H3.... i really like Halo 1 to 3 but i thought that the people who made the game aren't very imaginitive, where are all the robots? flying drones? fighters should have been flying themselves, same with tanks(really wierd tank too) where are the Megatron commi hatin robots? where are the lazer weapons? 500 years is a long time, the US is putting Lazzers on alot of things to shoot down missiles..... anyway the main point is that you know that you win at the end cause you played the other Halo games.

[Quietness]

Halo Reach really a bad example, it was always stated as a prequel not an ending (last game for the series, but not the last event for the series)



Depending on how bioware decides to do it i would be ok with a chance of everyone dieing. They have stated that me3 is going to be the end of shepard chronicle, but are not saying that its the end of mass effect. I suppose if they wish to continue the series either they will doe prequels(Halo:Reach) or a reboot after the next cycle... but than you're playing shepard chronicle 2.0.

[TexasToast712]

Last Vizard wrote...
At the end of Halo reach (sucked)

Lies

Best Halo to date.

[Lee337]

I do kin of hope there isn't a ME2 style win without being scratched simply by doing everything ending. I'd like to see consequences no matter what, always a good side and bad side to every ending. If there is a perfect ending then I hope hard to get. And maybe time spent doing side quests can have more impact on the main quest. Maybe millions could die if you spend to long buying Joker a new pair of socks from the citadel because he complained his feet were cold but if you let his feet suffer he flies worse and a crewmate dies in a hit on the normandy.

And no I don't actually want a sock purchasing mission.

[masterkajo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'm fine with the idea of an ending where you lose. As long as there's a "perfect" ending as well.

And a lot inbetween - count me in for that!

[BiancoAngelo7]

@ OP



Definitely not.



I would be ok if depending upon the decisions made in game (who you kill/save/help/ignore etc and not just if you buy upgrades before the last mission) then you may lose or win.



But this is supposed to be an epic sci-fi trilogy game, not an artsy fartsy Euro film where everyone dies and therefore it means that its good. (don't hate I live in EU)



Plus, Bioware, especially ME is all about choices, I doubt they'll jip us out of being able to save the galaxy.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Count Viceroy wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

I'd be pissed if no matter what you lost to the reapers. It's a video game there is always a way.

Not always, see Halo Reach.

Reach was very refreshing in that way. I enjoyed it immensly just for that fact alone.

I agree. It'd be interesting to have only a couple ways to win though... and SEVERAL ways to lose... and it's not hinged on one or two decisions, but a multitude of things in combination.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I think to make sure that the finale fight takes alot of lives there should be two or three situations like the Virmire Survivor where you have to choice which team mate to help in a given situation that way at the end of the game even if you gothrough a perfect game you still have dead squad mates and their deaths will drive home the bitter sweet ending of the game.

Or you could be given a situation where you can save a squad mate but at the cost of X-number of soilders or by letting a base be destroyed. It couls lead to a stiuation where you have your whole crew but the galaxy got a much harder hit from the Reapers because you let alot of people die to save your squad mate... or the galaxy could be stronger but at the expense of you sacrificing a squad mate.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 25 décembre 2010 - 11:46 .

[Zaxares]

I think there should be an ending where Shepard screws up or made the wrong decisions (it's entirely possible that Paragon decisions may be the "wrong" decisions) and the Reapers win, but it shouldn't be the ONLY ending.



There's probably one thing we can agree on though; regardless of whether or not Shepard wins, the galaxy's going to be a LOT emptier by the time ME3 is over.

[Airell]

I WANT A HAPPY END ,NOT SOME DUM SAD ENDING JUST BECOUSE SOME OTHER GAMES HAVE SADING. HALO FREAKS

[ItsFreakinJesus]

I hope there's a way to die in ME3 even though it looks like you did everything right to succeed.

[TomY90]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

We also have to think past Mass Effect 3. The creators want to have more Mass Effect games in the future that go past Shepard that touches on different issues and different people. Now if you have a trilogy that ends up with the Reapers winning no matter what then what you're going to have is a very un-happy fan base that won't buy any more ME games of any kind. That isn't a very good marketing strategy.

Now if the Reapers wining is just one of multiple endings than that's fine. But I think the Reapers winning is going to be something that is hard to have happen. Like Shepard dying in ME2 I think you're going to have to go out of your way to make your team/army suck in order to have a total failure. Now having different degrees of success will probably be more numerous Example 1) Every specie is hit hard by the Reapers and barly survive but eventualy recover over centuries of re-building Example 2) Humanity takes the brunt of the damage to save the Council. Example 3) Humanity uses the Concil as a sheild against the Reapers and are now the dominante life form in the galaxy. Example 5) With Shepard's efforts the galaxy suffered large losses but nothing that can't be re-built in a few decades.

And so on.

I actually agree with you I know Bioware will probably finish the story of commander shepherd on ME3 whether he lives or dies.

However i doubt EA games and Bioware will let such a major brand like Mass Effect I can imagine they will create more spin offs probably with an off spring of shepherd or someone completely different. But doubt they will use one of the characters from the ME series