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[Camronnba]

Elite Midget wrote...

The Comic is a Save Editor that PC and to some extends 360 Owners can already do. Especially PC Owners since they can even download saves just fine from the internet.

You already can repick your starter class after you die in ME2's intro. I was an Adapt and now Im' a Sentinel. Thus they point is moot since your class doiesn't effect choices or the plot in any way, shape, or form.

No dude.  First off, save editing for 360 owners is more of an ordeal than on PC.  I agree PC users can download many saves, but that's not really realistic for your average 360 user who doesn't want to spend too much time (or pc user for that matter) on this sort of thing.  I realize you can repick your starter class, but perhaps you think that a different class may have made different choices.  For example, if you're RPing a soldier, you might think it reasonable for him to be attracted to Ash because of what they have in common, both serving with the military.  Converesly, if you're playing an Adept, you may think your Shepard and Liara have more engaging discussion and thus would be more attracted to one another. 

This is convenient and perhaps the comic will just be 'neat'.  There is no good reason why any ME2 content should be exclusive to any platform.  This comic is ME2 content, regardless of the fact that it deals witht he events of ME1.  It is not xbox or pc users fault that ps3 can't get ME1, and there is no reason why they should be denied access to any content because of it

[charmingcharlie]

Elite Midget wrote...

Funny you say that when it's obviously that a veil to lays before your eyes that you believe such a folly tale. What more proof do you need? The Comic was announced for the PS3. Bioware than made no mention for other platforms since they already 'have' ME1. Than the Lazy and Greedy Whinners emerged and lambasted Bioware on a aily basis and throwing tantrums left and right untill they got the inferior toy to stand next to their surperior toy.

You know you are the only one I have seen in here complaining about this you are the only one claiming this comic is compensation.  This comic was produced to provide a way for those that have not played Mass Effect 1 to create a custome character they can play in  Mass Effect 2.  Everyone else on here can see that, it is just YOU that can't.

Elite Midget wrote... An idiot you say? Hah, this coming from one who said that I lost ground upon my platform full of truthfullness and facts? You can have an opinion but it doesn't mean it isn't wrong when placed before the truth. It's ironic that you just made yourself look like a hypocrite because yuou can't face the truth.

You haven't produced any facts or spoken any truth you have just spouted that YOU think this comic was compensation.  It is YOUR opinon that the comic is compensation so just because it is your opinion it does not mean it is right.  The only one not facing the truth here is you.

Elite Midget wrote...   That Camp doesn't exist since ME1 doesn't exist for the PS3 and the Comic was supposed to compensate that not throw out the need to ever play ME1 that the Lazy and Greedy Whinners desire.

Yes that camp does exist, I think it is wrong that PS3 users are not getting ME 1.  I also think it weakens the enttire Mass Effect series as a whole by neglecting ME 1 on the PS3.  However it is equally wrong to with hold content from other platforms just because some people can't get something.  There is an age old saying that "two wrongs do not make a right".  I firmly believe all Mass Effect customers should have access to all Mass Effect content.  However you feel that it is perfectly right that content should be with held from people ........ hm so much for your high road I guess.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 22 décembre 2010 - 07:31 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Ignore him guys. Trolls feed on your frustration.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 22 décembre 2010 - 07:31 .

[Elite Midget]

You again? Why bother coming in here if you believe that I'm a troll and that you beat me in some arguement that has long past.



How is the Comic 'RPing'? You're doing nothing but watching slides and making a few choices that don't compare to all the choices from ME1. It's a streamlined version to compensate those that cannot experience the glory of ME1.



I'm not the only one complaining I just happen to be more vocal and haven't given up before the laziness and greed that opposed justice the last timme we had this arguement months ago. It's an injustice that Bioware lacked the guts to tell the Whinners "Too Bad, you already 'have' ME1" and be done with it but 'nooooo'~! Bioware instead caved just liked they caved when Fox News demanded they tone done their obsene scenes.



No, it isn't what I think it's a fact. The sooner you start believing this the sooner you'll grow to understand why this is such a bad thing.



It isn't wrong when we already 'have' the surperior version and than kicking the PS3 Owners to the curb and taking their compensation as well all in the name of laziness and greed.



Ever heard of "An Eye for An Eye?"

[shinobi602]

Elite Midget wrote...

How is the Comic 'RPing'? You're doing nothing but watching slides and making a few choices that don't compare to all the choices from ME1. It's a streamlined version to compensate those that cannot experience the glory of ME1.

No you fool, I've beaten ME1 probably a dozen times, but if I want to change something real quick for a different save to have different outcomes, I'd rather sit through a 15 minute comic and make those decisions than play through the WHOLE game all over again.

Life's easy when you use logic man.

[Skilled Seeker]

Trolls are incapable of processing logic.

[Elite Midget]

If you've beaten it a dozen times than what use do you need? You've covered practically every major choice with 12+ Shepards. Why would you possoible want more? Hell, most don't even get past One Shepard as 'their' Shepard.



What Logic is there to continue to want more and more shepards after you've already covered all the bases? Especially when 'many' ME1 Choices changed little or nothing in ME2 other than 'Is this Person Alive?'.

[charmingcharlie]

Elite Midget wrote...
No, it isn't what I think it's a fact. The sooner you start believing this the sooner you'll grow to understand why this is such a bad thing.

No the comic coming to the PC/360 is NOT a bad thing.  The bad thing is that the PS3 is not getting ME 1 that is bad for EVERYONE because now Bioware has to behave like Mass Effect 1 does not exist for Mass Effect 3.  They will want to keep all versions of Mass Effect 3 the same which means they will neglect pretty much everything in ME 1 aside from the 6 decisions in the comic.  So technically speaking playing ME 1 is totally irrelevant now because Bioware are going to be ignoring it.  That is the BAD thing.

Elite Midget wrote...
It isn't wrong when we already 'have' the surperior version and than kicking the PS3 Owners to the curb and taking their compensation as well all in the name of laziness and greed.

If anyone kicks PS3 users because they don't have ME 1 then that is a pretty pathetic childish thing to do and not even worth bothering with.  The comic was never meant as compensation it was meant to give people a way to tailor the ME universe.

Elite Midget wrote...
Ever heard of "An Eye for An Eye?"

Ah so we are talking "revenge" then, I thought you were taking the high ground ?  The last time I checked in most civilised places revenge is actually frowned upon and considered wrong.  So your whole argument is that because PS3 users don't get Mass Effect 1 then for revenge purposes PC/360 users MUST suffer in some way.  That isn't taking the high ground that is commonly referred to as being "childish".

[Elite Midget]

Yes it is. We have ME1, the surperior medium, and now we knocked them on the ground and took the Comic too. It's a very bad thing brought about by greed and laziness. Besides, Bioware already showed that many choices in ME1 weren't meant to be big when they released ME2 initially. This changes nothing.



It's going to happen. Console Wars are about pettiness, greed, hatred, and laziness. PS3 Owners got the short end of the stick and will never hear the end of it untill the ME Trilogy has long since passed.



It isn't revenge, it's fairness. We have ME1 and they don't. They get a Comic to compensate and we shouldn't be double dipping and taking that Comic too. It's in the name of fairness.



PC Owners aren't suffering nor are determinded 360 Owners that are too lazy to replay ME1 for their 50th Shepard.



It is the high road since it's taking into consideration what's fair for everyone and not giving the short end of the stick to any one party if possible.

[shinobi602]

Elite Midget wrote...

If you've beaten it a dozen times than what use do you need? You've covered practically every major choice with 12+ Shepards. Why would you possoible want more? Hell, most don't even get past One Shepard as 'their' Shepard.

What Logic is there to continue to want more and more shepards after you've already covered all the bases? Especially when 'many' ME1 Choices changed little or nothing in ME2 other than 'Is this Person Alive?'.

Alot of my Shepards are pretty much the exact same. One, they're all paragon, and they've all romanced either Ash or Liara, and pretty much every one has saved the council, and saved the Rachni queen, etc. I'm a paragon through and through.

This will actually let me go back and do the opposites within 15 minutes instead of playing for dozens of hours. Case in point, how is getting this "comic" a BAD thing? 

[Elite Midget]

It's bad since we have...



ME1 + Comic = Either More Choices while playing an actual game or Streamlined Less Choices!



While they only get...



Comic = Only Less Choices!



I could look over the Less Choices thing if the Whinners didn't whine so much that we got the Comic too. It was their thing and the Whinners ruined it with their inheirient need to whine.

[shinobi602]

[scottelite]

Wow...what a tool.

[jesuno]

shinobi602 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If you've beaten it a dozen times than what use do you need? You've covered practically every major choice with 12+ Shepards. Why would you possoible want more? Hell, most don't even get past One Shepard as 'their' Shepard.

What Logic is there to continue to want more and more shepards after you've already covered all the bases? Especially when 'many' ME1 Choices changed little or nothing in ME2 other than 'Is this Person Alive?'.

Alot of my Shepards are pretty much the exact same. One, they're all paragon, and they've all romanced either Ash or Liara, and pretty much every one has saved the council, and saved the Rachni queen, etc. I'm a paragon through and through.

This will actually let me go back and do the opposites within 15 minutes instead of playing for dozens of hours. Case in point, how is getting this "comic" a BAD thing? 

Umm, how is that Bioware's fault that you played multiple Shepards the same way. ME was always slated as a trilogy, you should have varied your play if you wanted to experience all the ME universe has to offer.

[Elite Midget]

It's one of the many excuses to try and justify this injustice that was carried out by the cries of the Whinners.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:04 .

[scottelite]

'Injustice'! XD





Ridiculous.

[charmingcharlie]

Elite Midget wrote...

It's going to happen. Console Wars are about pettiness, greed, hatred, and laziness. PS3 Owners got the short end of the stick and will never hear the end of it untill the ME Trilogy has long since passed.

You are behaving like a console fanboy by insisting that content be held off the PC/360 just because it is not fair that PS3 users are not getting ME 1.  The correct and proper high ground is to take the attitude that ALL should get ALL the content and that it is unfair that PS3 users do not get ME 1.

Elite Midget wrote... It isn't revenge, it's fairness. We have ME1 and they don't. They get a Comic to compensate and we shouldn't be double dipping and taking that Comic too. It's in the name of fairness.

You just said "an eye for an eye" that is revenge pure and simple.  You see PS3 users not getting something so that means PC/360 users should suffer and miss out on something.  That is not being fair that is being PETTY and NASTY.  You really have some skewed morals that is all I can say.

Elite Midget wrote... PC Owners aren't suffering nor are determinded 360 Owners that are too lazy to replay ME1 for their 50th Shepard.

They will if you had your way, you want them to miss out on content so you can satisfy your bizarre sense of fairness.  You can not be fair by replicating a wrong, yes it was wrong that PS3 users miss out on ME 1 but that does not mean you create "equal" fairness by with holding content from PC/360 users.  All you do by doing that is create more unfairness.

Elite Midget wrote...  It is the high road since it's taking into consideration what's fair for everyone and not giving the short end of the stick to any one party if possible.

It isn't the high road it is the petty, childish road you want to deny people Mass Effect content just to satisfy your bizarre need for some sort of "revenge".  I am pretty thankful that Bioware does not share your dubious morals that is all I can say

[Elite Midget]

Says you. I believe in fairness for all parties and having this comic given to all is the very definition of unfarness. We've had ME1 for years. If you haven't beaten ME1 yet or are too lazy to just do the quests that do make a difference than that's too bad. Bioware shouldn't be catering to laziness and greed because Whinners demand it.

[Mister Mida]

I don't really see the big deal here. I mean, who says that Bioware gives 'us' the comic because 'we' 'whine' and are 'lazy'?

[scottelite]

Please lock this, mods.

[shinobi602]

jesuno wrote...


Umm, how is that Bioware's fault that you played multiple Shepards the same way. ME was always slated as a trilogy, you should have varied your play if you wanted to experience all the ME universe has to offer.

I never said it was Bioware's fault.....

I never begged for the comic in the first place. I'm just saying it's great we're getting it too. Reading comprehension FTL ?

[Elite Midget]

Fanboy card? Last time I checked I don't 'own' a PS3 and I'm speaking ony what I believe shall be just. So really, you're gonna throw the fanboy card? We can't change the ME1 situation though we could have helped matters by giving them the comic and ignoring the Whinners that want everything while enjoying PS3 Owners getting less.

Revenge to you is Fairness for me. If one must take a blow than so should the other. Fairs fair and it doesn't have to give anyone any warm feelings inside. Now that we're getting the comic Fair is only to us and Unfairness is the definition of the PS3 Version.

What Content? It's a SAVE EDITOR! PC Owners have been doing it for years and so have 360 Owners. 360/PC lost nothing and gained the ability to kick PS3 owners in the nades and laughing about it since they have more choices. Hell, the PC Editor is far surperior to the comic anyway and PC Owners, despite the ease of it, still wanted the Comic for whatever selfish reason. Not to mention that save imports are even faster since they're instant and downloaded for PC Owners.

It's not content that we haven't experienced. Everything in that Comic? It HAPPENED in ME1. We aren't missing anything but a Save Editor that was supposed to compensate for the lack of ME1!

I don't share these unfair views I'm merely good at reasding the intentions of others. It only takes common senes and past history to figure this stuff out.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 22 décembre 2010 - 08:18 .

[jesuno]

@charmingcharlie



I couldn't find the article, but I could have sworn that Jesse said that the comic was compensation because ME1 wasn't coming to the PS3. But without Microsoft saying no to ME1 on the PS3, Genesis would not have been created. You are right, the unfair thing is that ME1 isn't coming to the PS3, but that is what we have to live with. In my opinion, the comic cheapens the game. My games on the computer will never equate my ones on the PS3, but right now I only have a laptop to play on.

[Forsythia]

Mister Mida wrote...

I don't really see the big deal here. I mean, who says that Bioware gives 'us' the comic because 'we' 'whine' and are 'lazy'?

No one:

Jesse Houston wrote...

This interactive comic's initial release will be exclusive to PS3 owners who would be otherwise unable to realize the full effect of choice in the Mass Effect universe and will be included on the Cerberus Network.

Notice the word initial, i.e. the initial release will be exclusive to PS3, but other platforms will receive this too in the future.

[scottelite]

I say that Elite Midget is the biggest 'Whinner' of all.